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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: sharki786 on 21 March 2014, 17:35

Title: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 21 March 2014, 17:35
Ige been looking at various conrods for my agu. Now there is maxspeed for £230 with APR 2000 bolts. And there is IE ENGINEERING. Now my question is what else will i need apart from the rods??
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: jonrandom on 21 March 2014, 20:21
I used IE rods as you know there good quality, did see the maxspeed ones, cheaper but didnt know anything about them so didn't take the risk. I kept the agu pistons and replaced rings and big end bearings

If your doing them yourself there are a few guides somewhere, see if I can find what I followed,it lists all the bits, assembly lube, plastigauge etc and how to do it.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 21 March 2014, 20:25
I used IE rods as you know there good quality, did see the maxspeed ones, cheaper but didnt know anything about them so didn't take the risk. I kept the agu pistons and replaced rings and big end bearings

If your doing them yourself there are a few guides somewhere, see if I can find what I followed,it lists all the bits, assembly lube, plastigauge etc and how to do it.

nice1 jon. Beach buggy has these maxspeed rods in his and a few others have them in their engine on facebook. With IE they expensive. I was talking to my mate and i mentioned to him about the ACL bearings and he said they are race bearings so get them. I might do it myself of il get my other mate to do it. He has worked on his cosi engine a few times and his imported e30 m3 :cool:
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: jonrandom on 21 March 2014, 20:51
Yeah those are the bearings I used, if those rods are good defo worth it then for the price. This was the guide I used watching the youtube vids.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4375646

It was the first time ive done this and it wasn't that hard, guide is really helpful defo get involved feels good when you do it yourself  :smiley:
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 21 March 2014, 22:07
Thanks for that mate really appreciate it.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: Chris. on 22 March 2014, 19:26
get what you pay for.   For me IE every time.  quality is superb.  make sure they are rifle drilled too.

ACL bearings for the rods needed too...or OEM replacements.    Remember to check the clearences with plastigauge too.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 22 March 2014, 19:28
Im looking at thia website. http://www.ctsturbo.com/cart/products/Integrated_Engineering_Forged_144X20_Rods_1_8T_FSI_Stroker_16V_early_8V_Audi_VW-42-118.html
they offer riffel drilling so ive chosen that. So now to the bearings. They have oem, calico coated +0.000 or calico coated +0.001 so which do i go for? And whats calico coating? Total with riffel drilling and calico coated bearings it comes to £336 without delivery or customs.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 22 March 2014, 19:35
Its not as easy as it seems then. Do i plastigauge the bearings?
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: Chris. on 22 March 2014, 19:38
I got ACL ones from the UK.  Coodsport i think it was.

plastigauge on the crankshaft and put bearing and tighten end cap on rod....measure the clearances.

Read up on it.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 22 March 2014, 21:08
I got ACL ones from the UK.  Coodsport i think it was.

plastigauge on the crankshaft and put bearing and tighten end cap on rod....measure the clearances.

Read up on it.

just been reading on it. So basicaly it tells you how much clearance you have between the crank and shell. But now i need to know whats the max clearance you can have on a agu crank? I know this car hasnt been trashed as it was owned by a lady (good thing) another reason i say its not been trashed as i saw the turbo and looked for play, but there wasnt any play at all in the turbo unless the turbo has been changed/reconed. So shal i buy the calico coated +0.000 or the +0.001??
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: Chris. on 22 March 2014, 22:54
You need the standard sized ones. 

http://www.part-box.com/products.php?brand=78-acl-bearings&vehicle=VW&search=&sort=4

part number: 4B1606H-STD   

those are what I ordered.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 22 March 2014, 22:59
Thanks chris. Was your engine an AGU?
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: Chris. on 22 March 2014, 23:07
They all the same buddy.

Except the 19mm and 20mm conrod versions.  make sure you get the right sized ones.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: matt@onlychargeddubs on 25 March 2014, 17:21
best quality out there! and no import charges either :wink:

http://www.onlychargeddubs.co.uk/products/1-8-20vt-steel-forged-con-rod-kit.html
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 25 March 2014, 20:15
Well cts want $554.98 with arp bolts riffel drilled and calico coated bearings. I have sent them a email in reguards to shipping costs and insurance, i have ested it at $50 each on top of price and the total comes to £493 with import vat & duties. Yours are £450 just for the rods and apr 2000 bolts (which are included in the price) but no bearings and does not state riffel drilled and also i dont even know the company.
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: topher on 25 March 2014, 20:34
eagle rods are decent
http://www.eaglerod.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=32
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eagle-H-Beam-Connecting-Rods-Audi-VW-1-8T-Jetta-Golf-A4-/260822494314

but if you want to keep it simple just go to coord sport/partbox they're only in Tipton. Phil is the name of the guy you want to talk to... he might try to flog you some whiteline stuff too though :grin:
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 25 March 2014, 20:39
eagle rods are decent
http://www.eaglerod.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=32
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eagle-H-Beam-Connecting-Rods-Audi-VW-1-8T-Jetta-Golf-A4-/260822494314

but if you want to keep it simple just go to coord sport/partbox they're only in Tipton. Phil is the name of the guy you want to talk to... he might try to flog you some whiteline stuff too though :grin:

Lols.
the eagle rods are same price as ie and both aint riffel drilled. This car will not be track driven so i need riffel drilled rods and cts charge $20 per rod. I HATE MODDING CARS!!!  :angry:
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: Chris. on 25 March 2014, 23:22
Matt -  those pec ones ain't even rifle drilled.

For me, and what I'd recommend,  IE rods are probably the best on the market and ARE rifle drilled.

Bill at badger 5, or  Alex at AKS tuning would probably sort you out cheaper than those 450quid ones
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 26 March 2014, 07:21
Matt -  those pec ones ain't even rifle drilled.

For me, and what I'd recommend,  IE rods are probably the best on the market and ARE rifle drilled.

Bill at badger 5, or  Alex at AKS tuning would probably sort you out cheaper than those 450quid ones

i need riffle drilled rods as stated in my post earlier. This car will never be tracked as i just dont have time to do that. I just want a fast realiable car. Also iv never heard pec or eagle rods before. I know maxspeed rods are good as ive seen a post on it on facebook and beach buggy has ran them. I will speak to bill later if i get a chance
Title: Re: forge conrods
Post by: sharki786 on 26 March 2014, 07:24
Aks tuning want £425 for riffle drilled rods and they are made by DM