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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Olifran on 20 March 2014, 21:41
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Had my car on the dyno today. Did a few runs with the bluefin on (been on for a month) then a few runs with standard map on. Good gains across the range however as you can see on the 1st graph there was no peak HP gain!? The second graph shows a graph with 230hp, this is the most he could get. So at most a peak of 7hp?
Ive emailed superchips. The torque gain is good , certainly feels quicker. Superchips website shows a peak gain of 25bhp. i know its only pub figures and an improved HP and torque can be seen, just suprised no peak HP gain.
Any opinions? Im running no mods just bluefin using V-Power. Great company by the way (motorsport developments) Loads of graphs and a HD video of it on the rollers. Said was running a tad rich and could be leaned out a little)
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Seems low to me, you say their website says gains of 25hp but I've just looked and they say gains of 44hp!
Hope they can help sort it.
Jim
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Thats not very good ! but.. you have gained 40hp and 45ftlb at 3750 Rpm so probably does feel noticeably quicker !!
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Yes it's quick! The gains tie in with superchips just not the peak power gain.
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what does the power feel like now ? does it feel like an increase to the standard power in the same areas of the revs or does it pull less at higher revs ? was thinking about a revo stage 1 for mine but still undecided..
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Power feels great to be honest. The gains through the rev range are what superchips quote. Just they seem to tail off at the top end. More power through out rev range though. Like standard but more of it.
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Superchips are quite tricky with their advertising and I'd suspect without looking they will advertise max power gains and not peak power gains.
Max power gain = the maximum difference in power between stock and mapped ANYWHERE in the rpm range
Peak power gain = the difference in peak power over stock.
Having said that I would have expected more than a 7bhp peak power gain from any map!
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Without typing out a sarcastic reply :kiss:
Put it this way. Does the car feel quicker on the road?
Forget peak BHP gains, unless you rev to 6k+ RPM everywhere?
A fatter and wider torque curve is what you want.
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You are quite right! And yes it feels quicker on the road. I've emailed superchips just to see if they have any idea why. He seemed to suggest an electronic restriction of some kind maybe high inlet temps. But they were 13 deg all the way through.
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I thought I read somewhere on another forum maybe that there has been a lot of confusion with bluefin supplying the wrong map for mk6 gti's and people complaining that the car hasn't gained much power, bluefin then supply another map which makes a large difference...
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I will clear it up for you mate - with facts !!! ( I have had superchips on my MK6 GTI on 2 different rollers)
Superchips map is mild. Yes you get nice torque increase in the low to medium rev range but does drop off quite bad near the top end (especially if you dont have a decent intake to provide more air)
When i had superchips it ran an average of 221bhp and 224bhp on two different rollers (both in spring time, so not overly warm)
Now bhp isnt the be-all and end-all but obviously it helps with power figures. When on superchips the car drove quite nice, but never felt really great.
When i saw Revo had a winter sale on and i would save a massive 30% coming from superchips i couldnt resist. So i stuck a Revo map on in January, its about the same as superchips upto the mid range, but everything over mid-range Revo just blows it away and keeps pulling hard all the way to redline.
Since then i have been on the dyno and got a 276 bhp average, so it just shows how under powered superchips map is in comparison. plus it had like 40+lbs more torque as well.
If you happy with the way it drive and happy with a mild map then stick with it, if you want more aggressive map then look to change.
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I wonder if your car has the correct map from Superchips. The Bluefin website shows a different plot to yours (higher power etc). It is worth questioning.
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That's interesting RocketRoss
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That's interesting RocketRoss
*EDIT* Ps - there was a load of stuff about correct / incorrect maps which is all bull, superchips gave me 2 different maps to try and they both felt the same.
If you have a massive flat spot in the rev range then you may have incorrect map ( because they were giving incorrect Manual or DSG).
But your is just not as fast / BHP as you expected, so wont be that. For MK6 platform REVO or GIAC all the way....
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http://www.pulmanvolkswagen.co.uk/vwr/about.php
I know pulman vw use to quote 250bhp when they supplied the vwr conversation originally when it used a superchip map as shown in the old link above.
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I've definitely got the right DSG map. He has emailed me a graph for a DSG (will post later) and mine follows the same profile except the example he gave me made 256bhp (from 220). He's asked me to do some boost checks erc using VCDS. but not sure I can be bothered. It feels quicker on the road peak power or not. It's like rocket said, if I want more aggressive map go to REVO. I just worry a little about the longevity of the components and the engine when mapping high like REVO do. Particularly without any other mods.
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I've definitely got the right DSG map. He has emailed me a graph for a DSG (will post later) and mine follows the same profile except the example he gave me made 256bhp (from 220). He's asked me to do some boost checks erc using VCDS. but not sure I can be bothered. It feels quicker on the road peak power or not. It's like rocket said, if I want more aggressive map go to REVO. I just worry a little about the longevity of the components and the engine when mapping high like REVO do. Particularly without any other mods.
The only thing REVO increase stress on is your clutch, and that only if your gunning to the redline on every shift, everyday. When i swapped to Revo, it wasnt like "Oh my god, this is a whole new level."
It was more like, "yep, thats defo feels stonger". Swapping to Revo is not going to blow you away. So i would suggest stick with SC's until Revo sale, or until you get board :laugh:
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I've definitely got the right DSG map. He has emailed me a graph for a DSG (will post later) and mine follows the same profile except the example he gave me made 256bhp (from 220). He's asked me to do some boost checks erc using VCDS. but not sure I can be bothered. It feels quicker on the road peak power or not. It's like rocket said, if I want more aggressive map go to REVO. I just worry a little about the longevity of the components and the engine when mapping high like REVO do. Particularly without any other mods.
The only thing REVO increase stress on is your clutch, and that only if your gunning to the redline on every shift, everyday. When i swapped to Revo, it wasnt like "Oh my god, this is a whole new level."
It was more like, "yep, thats defo feels stonger". Swapping to Revo is not going to blow you away. So i would suggest stick with SC's until Revo sale, or until you get board :laugh:
The real stress on the clutch with a REVO map is when you are using the torque to pull you up to speed in a high gear say 5th at 40mph. Pulling it hard from low revs to the redline wont put half as much stress on the clutch as my first mention.
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I've definitely got the right DSG map. He has emailed me a graph for a DSG (will post later) and mine follows the same profile except the example he gave me made 256bhp (from 220). He's asked me to do some boost checks erc using VCDS. but not sure I can be bothered. It feels quicker on the road peak power or not. It's like rocket said, if I want more aggressive map go to REVO. I just worry a little about the longevity of the components and the engine when mapping high like REVO do. Particularly without any other mods.
The only thing REVO increase stress on is your clutch, and that only if your gunning to the redline on every shift, everyday. When i swapped to Revo, it wasnt like "Oh my god, this is a whole new level."
It was more like, "yep, thats defo feels stonger". Swapping to Revo is not going to blow you away. So i would suggest stick with SC's until Revo sale, or until you get board :laugh:
The real stress on the clutch with a REVO map is when you are using the torque to pull you up to speed in a high gear say 5th at 40mph. Pulling it hard from low revs to the redline wont put half as much stress on the clutch as my first mention.
Which is why ive never revoed mine. Theres too many storys out there about compromises you have to make for there map.
They imo go for headline figures and not useability within the mechanical restraints of the oem parts.
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I've definitely got the right DSG map. He has emailed me a graph for a DSG (will post later) and mine follows the same profile except the example he gave me made 256bhp (from 220). He's asked me to do some boost checks erc using VCDS. but not sure I can be bothered. It feels quicker on the road peak power or not. It's like rocket said, if I want more aggressive map go to REVO. I just worry a little about the longevity of the components and the engine when mapping high like REVO do. Particularly without any other mods.
The only thing REVO increase stress on is your clutch, and that only if your gunning to the redline on every shift, everyday. When i swapped to Revo, it wasnt like "Oh my god, this is a whole new level."
It was more like, "yep, thats defo feels stonger". Swapping to Revo is not going to blow you away. So i would suggest stick with SC's until Revo sale, or until you get board :laugh:
The real stress on the clutch with a REVO map is when you are using the torque to pull you up to speed in a high gear say 5th at 40mph. Pulling it hard from low revs to the redline wont put half as much stress on the clutch as my first mention.
Which is why ive never revoed mine. Theres too many storys out there about compromises you have to make for there map.
They imo go for headline figures and not useability within the mechanical restraints of the oem parts.
Revo rewards people who can drive properly, its only at stage 2 it can impact on your clutch and that if your driving like a chump. The standard clutch in the GTI (manual ) isnt that great if were honest.
Mine has been fine on REVO for a while now, not one slip or mishap.
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Hence why mights fighting strong after runnning stage 2 for 10k miles now :wink: