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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Misterp on 13 March 2014, 00:53

Title: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: Misterp on 13 March 2014, 00:53
I don't know if this has been covered before.

My new work car park requires me to get out of the car to open the gate to get access. When I arrive at the gate the start stop tech will cut the engine I open the door which automatically operates the hand brake and then I get out open the gate all the while the key doesn't leave the car. When I get it and turn the hand brake off and try to hit the accelerator the message advises on the head up display that I need to annually start the engine. Any idea how to do this. It's the same if I put the gearbox into park and then open the door without actually turning the engine off.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: 2014GTi on 13 March 2014, 06:17
Do you have stop-start enabled? If so that can cause the "please start engine manually" error, depends on how long the car is sat in stop mode.
Try turning stop-start off and see ;)
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: mcmaddy on 13 March 2014, 07:20
It's probably because you've opened the door which has caused the handbrake to apply. You'll need to put your seatbelt back on and try the accelerator as I think it will release the handbrake. Without your belt on no matter what I don't think it will let you restart.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: Misterp on 13 March 2014, 07:59
Thanks for the reply guys. I put my belt on and handbrake is off. It won't start up. How do you start the car manually.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: dippy_x on 13 March 2014, 08:36
Misterp - I'm not a DSG but the following works for me:

When you get to your gate take your seat belt off before you do anything else.  This will engage the handbrake and when you put the car in neutral and foot off the clutch the car will stay running.  Go and open your gate and come back.  Seatbelt back on and drive off.

I did this twice yesterday and two different places with gates and worked without an issue.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: JB GTI on 13 March 2014, 08:57
I assume the problem is due to when the start stop kicks in the door is still closed. When you get back in because you have opened the door you will need to put it in P before you can start it again.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: Jimble on 13 March 2014, 09:42
By "manually" it just means push the start stop button, i'll be honest though i don't think i'd leave the key in the car! :shocked: if the car gets pinched your insurance wouldn't pay out. :sick:
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: GrahamFR on 13 March 2014, 10:07
just out of curiousity does anyone push the button to turn the ignition on, and then push it again to start or does everyone just start straight away? I know im used to diesels but isnt it always best to let the ignition be on for a split second first, say first thing in the morning?
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: karlak on 13 March 2014, 11:13
If it is like my current Diesel car with keyless, it is an automatic process.

I can get in my car on a cold morning, press the start button and it can be a few seconds before it fires up.  It is making sure that the plugs etc are ready before cranking the engine.  Can take a little getting used to at first.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: sam67GTD on 13 March 2014, 13:27
just out of curiousity does anyone push the button to turn the ignition on, and then push it again to start or does everyone just start straight away? I know im used to diesels but isnt it always best to let the ignition be on for a split second first, say first thing in the morning?

I normally press the start button once to let the mirrors unfold while I put on my seat belt, then press the start button with my foot depressed on the clutch to fire the engine. Other times, I press the start button with my foot depressed on the clutch whilst the car starts. It takes slightly longer using the last method.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: itavaltalainen on 13 March 2014, 15:50
I normally press the start button once to let the mirrors unfold while I put on my seat belt, then press the start button with my foot depressed on the clutch to fire the engine. Other times, I press the start button with my foot depressed on the clutch whilst the car starts. It takes slightly longer using the last method.

In cold conditions the engine starts to heat up long before you turn the ignition on. If I am informed correctly as soon as you open the door the glow plugs fire up.
If you start straight away you'll notice it won't crank straight away in very cold weather. So it never actually starts without pre-heating.
Tbh UK temperatures (except some -xx parts of Scotland) even without pre-warming you'd be unlikely to see it not start.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: Misterp on 14 March 2014, 00:42
Jbgti it's as you say. So you the. Have to press the engine start button that kills the engine then press it again to fire it up then you can go. It's such a ball ache. Jimble what you say is always a concern but there isn't ever anyone around and the walk for
 The car to the gate is literally 5 feet if that
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: Skinnee D on 14 March 2014, 06:33
If it is like my current Diesel car with keyless, it is an automatic process.

I can get in my car on a cold morning, press the start button and it can be a few seconds before it fires up.  It is making sure that the plugs etc are ready before cranking the engine.  Can take a little getting used to at first.
That sounds similar to mine.  One press is enough to start the engine, though when the engine is cold there is a delay of a second or so.  All in all very happy with the keyless system so far.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: C2K on 14 March 2014, 07:32
For those of us with a key, it doesn't engage the starter until it's good and ready to anyway. You can have the key in P3 and it can pause for a moment before turning over to start.
Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: karlak on 14 March 2014, 08:17
For those of us with a key, it doesn't engage the starter until it's good and ready to anyway. You can have the key in P3 and it can pause for a moment before turning over to start.

Yup, turning the key now does not connect directly to a starter.  The ECU probably checks many variables before it applies power to a starter.  Same as turning headlights on,  slight delay before the Computer says, yep, all OK, now turn them on.

Nightmare to own and work on when well out of warranty though.  A continuity tester is not going to cut it anymore to diagnose faults :(

Title: Re: Keyless entry manual engine start
Post by: Skinnee D on 16 March 2014, 09:18
For those of us with a key, it doesn't engage the starter until it's good and ready to anyway. You can have the key in P3 and it can pause for a moment before turning over to start.
Ah...that would explain the delay with the keyless then.  Thanks :smiley: