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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: virginVWman on 02 March 2014, 16:39
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Took out a finance PCP deal for a GTD in November, 2k down and 346 a month, I love the car but all ive been going on about to friends and family is how much id have preffered a GTI. Has anyone been in a similar position and say part exchanged? How easy is this and what are the implications/problems if any. Cheers
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With such a small deposit to begin with, you will undoubtedly be in a huge heap of negative equity. It will probably cost you about £3-4k to get out of you current car. Unless you have money to add to a deposit, it's going to take a bit of juggling of numbers to make the deal on a new car stack up on paper.
Your best option is to change it for a used car, that way it will be easier to manipulate the figures to look a little better. The long and short of it is, your car will have lost what it has lost, and that has to be paid somehow. Most likely by rolling it into the next deal and ultimately costing even more money.
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Damn it. Old mans best mate works for Eastern Holdings and got me a cracking deal hence only having to commit to a minimum of 2k. I was hoping it wouldnt have been that costly only being 3 months in to a 36 month contract. Hmmmmm maybe a call to finance company or vw to iron out the finer details. Cheers for the help
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VirginVWman:
Keeping a car less than 2 years will always kick you in the pocket. The dealer's profit margin in selling it on again is going to be 15-20%. If they'd put a sticker price of £24k on it in the used forecourt, then it is likely to attract a p/x price of £19-20k.
What is it about the GTI that attracts more? The red stripes? The low end performance (from a standstill)? The in gear performance (not massively better than a GTD), the "GTI" badge? Can't do much about the low end performance, the GTD will always struggle to put it's power and torque down from a standstill (just look at how a Quattro equipped A3 184TDI shaves 0.5s off the 0-62 time vs the 2WD variant).
The DTUK box has transformed my GTD. You only need to tickle the throttle to drive it normally, and when you want to put your foot down on the move, you will never find it lacking. My GTD was a disappointment next to my Scirocco 170TDI. How could the GTD have 8.5% more torque and have less grunt in 5th and 6th than my Scirocco, considering it is geared the same (2200rpm in 6th @ 80mph in both cars)? It is a smidge slower and a lot less fun to drive in standard guise than my Scirocco was. Best £359 I have ever spent towards a car, it has been transformed.
Why not ask Andrew at DTUK to trial a CRDT2, setting 4+1. I bet you'll lose the disappointment and regret you're currently feeling.
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VirginVWman:
Keeping a car less than 2 years will always kick you in the pocket. The dealer's profit margin in selling it on again is going to be 15-20%. If they'd put a sticker price of £24k on it in the used forecourt, then it is likely to attract a p/x price of £19-20k.
What is it about the GTI that attracts more? The red stripes? The low end performance (from a standstill)? The in gear performance (not massively better than a GTD), the "GTI" badge? Can't do much about the low end performance, the GTD will always struggle to put it's power and torque down from a standstill (just look at how a Quattro equipped A3 184TDI shaves 0.5s off the 0-62 time vs the 2WD variant).
The DTUK box has transformed my GTD. You only need to tickle the throttle to drive it normally, and when you want to put your foot down on the move, you will never find it lacking. My GTD was a disappointment next to my Scirocco 170TDI. How could the GTD have 8.5% more torque and have less grunt in 5th and 6th than my Scirocco, considering it is geared the same (2200rpm in 6th @ 80mph in both cars)? It is a smidge slower and a lot less fun to drive in standard guise than my Scirocco was. Best £359 I have ever spent towards a car, it has been transformed.
Why not ask Andrew at DTUK to trial a CRDT2, setting 4+1. I bet you'll lose the disappointment and regret you're currently feeling.
My older brother has a mk6 GTI and I loved it when I had it for a week. Just being able to thrash it all the way up to 6,000 odd RPM felt fantastic. I have said in 1 or 2 threads that the GTDs performance has gone extremely flat with me and I feel rather underwhelmed at times by it. I clearly had unrealistic expectations, but coming from my 140 A3 I was under the impression it would feel vastly quicker...it doesn't! I sold the A3 to my younger brother so as a test we had a short burst up to 60 with me following behind and it was far too close considering the difference of 40bhp.
I have been swithering about a box from DTUK but maybe a call to Andrew to see if he would be willing to lend me one for a weeks trial would put a smile back on my face! Glad to see you use the word "transformed" as it does give me some hope.
PS reading what I've written here looks like I'm not the GTD's biggest fan, I am!!!!! Just rather nieve to begin with
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Be cautious about looking at used cars, the interest rate is generally a lot higher so you could end up paying a lot more interest. They can do decent interest rates on used cars which are similar to new cars but it takes a bit of pushing to get this.
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This is why I always pay cash, if your was list price you will have a problem, I got my GTD in the middle of January and bought straight, the price I got it for was cheaper than a 2013 registered car. Your GTD is sought after in the used market and always will be, the petrol version will always depreciate more..
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VirginVWman:
Comparing a 140 A3 to a 184 Golf to only 60mph won't see a massive gap - you won't be able to put all your power down until you hit 3rd. You'd notice more of a difference in the 40 - 80mph range. Even with the DTUK box, there are no real performance gains below 30mph, the car just can't get the power down. Knowing the extra is there when you want it in the overtaking range is quite a feeling though.
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Yeh, fair point. Think i need to see what the dtuk box does before i make up my mind.
Clarksons review isnt helping my pain ha.
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I am in a similar position to you.
I should point out I love the car.
I received my GTD in September, however since then my commitments (both work and otherwise) have changed which means that my motorway traveling has significantly decreased. I am now using the GTD in and around town a lot more than I initially envisaged. I am paying £318.00 with a larger deposit to VirginVWman. The economy on the GTD around town isnt all was initially cracked up to be (i know it will never meet the quoted figures but still...)
I was therefore in two minds about keeping the GTD and switching to a GTI as around town it wouldnt be much of a difference with the added bonus of not potentially damaging the DPF by the shorter start stop journeys.
I wanted to keep the GTD at the end of the finance by paying the balloon payment however now I will find myself changing earlier (2 years/2.5 years) in. To me, this way, the damage to my pocket wont be as great as changing now.
I have been invited to an event at my local VW garage, I will curiously go a long to see what they have on offer.
You know what curiosity did....
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MisterP:
Right now, I reckon you’d be looking at upping your monthly payments by a minimum of £155 on a new 36 month contract to jump ship to a GTI(£4-6k lost in what the dealership will offer you vs what you paid + an extra £1000 to find in lower GFV on the GTI + interest on that £5k minimum lump). I think you need a test drive in a GTI to decide whether you’d be prepared to pay an extra £155 a month for minor performance gains (more prominent at the lower end) and a few red stripes. If you got a big discount then you may have mitigated some of those losses, but you’re probably looking at a £19k p/x allowance right now for your car. Keep the car 3 years and you’ll only lose another £4k. Either way, your friendly dealership will want to make a canny £8k out of you (£4k profit on the old and the new) if you get a decent discount on the new one.
You’ve got to ask yourself what a GTI has that a GTD doesn’t, and how much you are prepared to pay out to get out of the GTD and into the GTI. Would a tuning box get you back up there if it’s performance you are after? What’s your driving style? Are you a bit of a traffic light dueller at heart, or just after more mid-range clout? Maybe you just like the idea of owning a “GTI” (in which case you’re going to have to buy one).
I’m loving my car a lot more with the tuning box. There are definitely fewer standard thrills for me than on previous VWs I have owned, despite the GTD being the most powerful VW I have owned – I think there is something to be said for the car maybe being a bit too civilised for its own good at times – my MK5 170TDI was definitely more fun for me than the standard GTD, despite its harsh ride. I’ve never wanted a GTI over a GTD, I just wanted my GTD to be as much fun as my Scirocco was, and now it is.
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MisterP:
I think you need a test drive in a GTI to decide whether you’d be prepared to pay an extra £155 a month for minor performance gains (more prominent at the lower end) and a few red stripes.
You’ve got to ask yourself what a GTI has that a GTD doesn’t, and how much you are prepared to pay out to get out of the GTD and into the GTI.
Small performance gains? 0-100mph GTi PP = 14.1 Seconds - GTD = 18.5 Seconds ....
Top Speeds? GTi PP = 155mph - GTD = 143mph
Goodbye GTD!
Potential to get the diff, sharper turn in and more stable (read better) handling, better brakes, the ability to rev to 7,000rpm, really broad powerband, no "taxi like" rattle - a properly rorty engine note, no "tramping" from a standing start, etc.
No matter what VW are trying to suggest, the GTD is not a diesel engined GTi - there are loads of differences!
I used to have an A3 TDi 170bhp Quattro in S-line form (until last week); and it wasn't a bad car, but my GTi would run rings around it, everywhere! My advice to the OP is if you want one and can afford it - buy a GTi PP and relish it ......
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Other than a track where are you going to regularly do 0-100mph and 155mph? :laugh:
I'd keep the GTD until time to hand back- might even be an edition 40 or something out by then
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MisterP:
I think you need a test drive in a GTI to decide whether you’d be prepared to pay an extra £155 a month for minor performance gains (more prominent at the lower end) and a few red stripes.
You’ve got to ask yourself what a GTI has that a GTD doesn’t, and how much you are prepared to pay out to get out of the GTD and into the GTI.
Small performance gains? 0-100mph GTi PP = 14.1 Seconds - GTD = 18.5 Seconds ....
Top Speeds? GTi PP = 155mph - GTD = 143mph
Goodbye GTD!
Potential to get the diff, sharper turn in and more stable (read better) handling, better brakes, the ability to rev to 7,000rpm, really broad powerband, no "taxi like" rattle - a properly rorty engine note, no "tramping" from a standing start, etc.
No matter what VW are trying to suggest, the GTD is not a diesel engined GTi - there are loads of differences!
I used to have an A3 TDi 170bhp Quattro in S-line form (until last week); and it wasn't a bad car, but my GTi would run rings around it, everywhere! My advice to the OP is if you want one and can afford it - buy a GTi PP and relish it ......
I don't think anyone has mentioned the PP at all in their conversation, this thread is about the cost to chop in the GTD very prematurely for a GTI, add in a PP then we're talking £6k to £7k for the OP and MisterP to trade in.
No one is under any allusions about what the GTD can do next to a GTI from 0-30mph. Take the comparisons from 40-80mph (where most people will be using the power) and the 4 second gap your example showed is more like a 1.5s gap against a standard GTI.
If the OP doesn't care too much for off the line acceleration (which hasn't been established) then maybe a tuning box for about £360 might be far more acceptable than chucking £5k at a car that will perform comparably above 30mph to a standard GTI in handling (a manual GTD is only 4Kg front heavy vs a DSG GTI - 20Kg won't ruin the handling) and in-gear performance (i'd take an educated guess that a tuning box equipped GTD pumping out 229PS and 500Nm would outdo a PP in a straight line from 40 to any figure you choose above 70mph).
£359 or £5k - it's quite a difference. Buy the car you wanted from the start and you're talking £550 GTI/£1500 PP. I would never let the RRP difference stop me picking the GTI if that's what I wanted, but when it's going to take you from £350 a month to £500 a month, it's going to take some thinking about. Keep that GTD for 2 years and you'll probably only lose an extra grand over changing now.
If I was wanting a GTI at the point of ordering then I may have gone for the PP, you do get a fair bit for your £960. A fair proportion of the outright performance is eaten up in the extra weight of the Diff and the brakes, but if you do like flinging your car around corners hard then i'm sure the diff will come in very handy.
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I am in a similar position to you.
I should point out I love the car.
I received my GTD in September, however since then my commitments (both work and otherwise) have changed which means that my motorway traveling has significantly decreased. I am now using the GTD in and around town a lot more than I initially envisaged. I am paying £318.00 with a larger deposit to VirginVWman. The economy on the GTD around town isnt all was initially cracked up to be (i know it will never meet the quoted figures but still...)
I was therefore in two minds about keeping the GTD and switching to a GTI as around town it wouldnt be much of a difference with the added bonus of not potentially damaging the DPF by the shorter start stop journeys.
I wanted to keep the GTD at the end of the finance by paying the balloon payment however now I will find myself changing earlier (2 years/2.5 years) in. To me, this way, the damage to my pocket wont be as great as changing now.
I have been invited to an event at my local VW garage, I will curiously go a long to see what they have on offer.
You know what curiosity did....
What MPG are you getting around town? The GTI is going to be much worse I would've thought. On the combined cycle mine averages 35MPG.
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Thanks for the comments and sorry virginvwman for hijacking the thread. As you have suggested MH, it's not a viable option now. I worked out the figures etc a couple of weeks ago and it's not a good idea at all to chop now. as I said, I will keep until the end of the finance or just before to switch. It's unfortunate that my circumstances have changed to make the running costs question what has otherwise been a great car.
I have thought about the DTUK box just to add a little bit more fun for the next couple of years and it's something that I will consider in the summer.
As I have said, a lot of stop start city driving means in traffic jams on my way into work I am lucky to hit 36. Otherwise when the roads are clearer I'm hitting 43-45 dependent on the ambient temp and I can't ask for more than that really. I'm a relaxed driver who likes having fun now and again.
I was just jotting down for Virgin vw man what I have been thinking about but after everything there is no way choping so soon makes sense.
Thanks again for the input guys
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Misterp: No needs to apologise my good man!
I just had a quandary and I half expected there may have been one or two of us out there.
The only thing I can think of is investing in a DTUK/similar box and hoping the gains can keep us happy for the next 2 years lol
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MisterP:
I think you need a test drive in a GTI to decide whether you’d be prepared to pay an extra £155 a month for minor performance gains (more prominent at the lower end) and a few red stripes.
You’ve got to ask yourself what a GTI has that a GTD doesn’t, and how much you are prepared to pay out to get out of the GTD and into the GTI.
Small performance gains? 0-100mph GTi PP = 14.1 Seconds - GTD = 18.5 Seconds ....
Top Speeds? GTi PP = 155mph - GTD = 143mph
Goodbye GTD!
Potential to get the diff, sharper turn in and more stable (read better) handling, better brakes, the ability to rev to 7,000rpm, really broad powerband, no "taxi like" rattle - a properly rorty engine note, no "tramping" from a standing start, etc.
No matter what VW are trying to suggest, the GTD is not a diesel engined GTi - there are loads of differences!
I used to have an A3 TDi 170bhp Quattro in S-line form (until last week); and it wasn't a bad car, but my GTi would run rings around it, everywhere! My advice to the OP is if you want one and can afford it - buy a GTi PP and relish it ......
Obviously with your gti your going to say it wipes the floor with a gtd but I think your way wide of the mark. Gti is a good car and so is the gtd and no matter what you think to yourself they are both very very similar and not as far apart as you seem to think.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxnm6DUU_A
Skip to 5 mins in. GTI vs GTD, a lot closer than some people may think
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Hmm, gti wins comfortably even with a woman driving, was that the point you were trying to make? :whistle:
:grin:
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MisterP:
I think you need a test drive in a GTI to decide whether you’d be prepared to pay an extra £155 a month for minor performance gains (more prominent at the lower end) and a few red stripes.
You’ve got to ask yourself what a GTI has that a GTD doesn’t, and how much you are prepared to pay out to get out of the GTD and into the GTI.
Small performance gains? 0-100mph GTi PP = 14.1 Seconds - GTD = 18.5 Seconds ....
Top Speeds? GTi PP = 155mph - GTD = 143mph
Goodbye GTD!
Potential to get the diff, sharper turn in and more stable (read better) handling, better brakes, the ability to rev to 7,000rpm, really broad powerband, no "taxi like" rattle - a properly rorty engine note, no "tramping" from a standing start, etc.
No matter what VW are trying to suggest, the GTD is not a diesel engined GTi - there are loads of differences!
I used to have an A3 TDi 170bhp Quattro in S-line form (until last week); and it wasn't a bad car, but my GTi would run rings around it, everywhere! My advice to the OP is if you want one and can afford it - buy a GTi PP and relish it ......
I don't think anyone has mentioned the PP at all in their conversation, this thread is about the cost to chop in the GTD very prematurely for a GTI, add in a PP then we're talking £6k to £7k for the OP and MisterP to trade in.
No one is under any allusions about what the GTD can do next to a GTI from 0-30mph. Take the comparisons from 40-80mph (where most people will be using the power) and the 4 second gap your example showed is more like a 1.5s gap against a standard GTI.
If the OP doesn't care too much for off the line acceleration (which hasn't been established) then maybe a tuning box for about £360 might be far more acceptable than chucking £5k at a car that will perform comparably above 30mph to a standard GTI in handling (a manual GTD is only 4Kg front heavy vs a DSG GTI - 20Kg won't ruin the handling) and in-gear performance (i'd take an educated guess that a tuning box equipped GTD pumping out 229PS and 500Nm would outdo a PP in a straight line from 40 to any figure you choose above 70mph).
£359 or £5k - it's quite a difference. Buy the car you wanted from the start and you're talking £550 GTI/£1500 PP. I would never let the RRP difference stop me picking the GTI if that's what I wanted, but when it's going to take you from £350 a month to £500 a month, it's going to take some thinking about. Keep that GTD for 2 years and you'll probably only lose an extra grand over changing now.
If I was wanting a GTI at the point of ordering then I may have gone for the PP, you do get a fair bit for your £960. A fair proportion of the outright performance is eaten up in the extra weight of the Diff and the brakes, but if you do like flinging your car around corners hard then i'm sure the diff will come in very handy.
No the PP was my suggestion as I think it makes the difference between GTD and GTi even more stark!
Not arguing against the performance figures or where they're closest or furthest apart - but there will always be a decent gap and of course the tweaked GTI featured in EVO this month (Shark DTUK plus Miltek turbo back exhaust) has 312bhp and I think 332lb/ft torque for an even greater improvement .....
At the end of the day I think we can only present the facts as we see them, but if frugality is your bag - take the GTD. If it's pure performance you're after then the GTi or the R will show a clean pair of heels to all but the most heavily modified GTDs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_irbzli_LCA
at 1:20 with circa 30% more power shouldn't surprise anyone?
akin to mr clarkson in a 30%+ more powerful m135 same result.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_irbzli_LCA
at 1:20 with circa 30% more power shouldn't surprise anyone?
akin to mr clarkson in a 30%+ more powerful m135 same result.
2 points though:
- the word comes to mind at the lads effort in the GTD regarding his getaway
- and 6.9 and 7.9 0-60?!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_irbzli_LCA
at 1:20 with circa 30% more power shouldn't surprise anyone?
akin to mr clarkson in a 30%+ more powerful m135 same result.
2 points though:
- the word comes to mind at the lads effort in the GTD regarding his getaway
- and 6.9 and 7.9 0-60?!
That both were slow is probably down to the nasty Bruntingthorpe concrete surface. Actually the GTD is only 0.4 off the quoted 0-60 whereas the GTi is more than a full half second off it's quoted pace ....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_irbzli_LCA
at 1:20 with circa 30% more power shouldn't surprise anyone?
akin to mr clarkson in a 30%+ more powerful m135 same result.
2 points though:
- the word comes to mind at the lads effort in the GTD regarding his getaway
- and 6.9 and 7.9 0-60?!
The GTD driver probably changed up far too early throughout that run. For a short while it seemed alien to me to take the GTD past 3300rpm, as previous TDIs run out of torque quite quickly after then. The GTD likes to go to 4000 revs, or maybe they didn't have both cars in the same driving mode/same tyres?.
Was it established what gearboxes each car had in that video? If you're comparing a DSG GTI, to a manual GTD that is being driven by a numpty then I could see that gap opening up artificially. So many variables to consider.
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If people on here are going to complain to moderators about posts from others that are then removed then what's the point in being on here. If you don't like what someone says then challenge them with a grown up discussion instead of running to the teacher. If I've upset anyone then I'd appreciate at least a reply in the thread first!!
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You can have a discussion without having to resort to insults / name calling and childish behaviour :smiley:
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What have I missed? Have we had "my car's faster than your car. Ner ner ner ner na" :grin:
Seriously. If any of you wanted a fast car, why the hell did you buy a Golf?
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What have I missed? Have we had "my car's faster than your car. Ner ner ner ner na" :grin:
Seriously. If any of you wanted a fast car, why the hell did you buy a Golf?
Yep, that is pretty much what you missed. A bit of willy waving missing the point of the OP’s dilemma completely – how much will it cost to swap to a GTI. Answers given (a lot of money) and an alternative suggestion offered to get more out of their GTD (tuning box) for relatively little cost (compared to the alternative) rather than hand over a huge wedge of cash to the dealership.
I agree with you – faster cars and more thrilling drives available at the same pricepoint (although not at the same cost of ownership as that Megane RS will depreciate like a stone). We all got a good allrounder with plenty of standard kit included, with cheap running costs (relative to the RRP) over the 3 to 5 years most will own one, nothing more and nothing less.
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When I got my first mark 6 it had to go back to the garage and they gave me a gtd to run around in and yes it wasn't as fast as the gti but it was an impressive motor I actually thought I had brought the wrong car I think they are as good as each other I don't get people who buy these vehicles and say they are disappointed in there performance if you wanted a rocket ship you should of brought a Porsche :cool:
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Small performance gains? 0-100mph GTi PP = 14.1 Seconds - GTD = 18.5 Seconds ....
Top Speeds? GTi PP = 155mph - GTD = 143mph
Goodbye GTD!
Potential to get the diff, sharper turn in and more stable (read better) handling, better brakes, the ability to rev to 7,000rpm, really broad powerband, no "taxi like" rattle - a properly rorty engine note, no "tramping" from a standing start, etc.
No matter what VW are trying to suggest, the GTD is not a diesel engined GTi - there are loads of differences!
I used to have an A3 TDi 170bhp Quattro in S-line form (until last week); and it wasn't a bad car, but my GTi would run rings around it, everywhere! My advice to the OP is if you want one and can afford it - buy a GTi PP and relish it ......
Obviously with your gti your going to say it wipes the floor with a gtd but I think your way wide of the mark. Gti is a good car and so is the gtd and no matter what you think to yourself they are both very very similar and not as far apart as you seem to think.
Umm - my brother has a GTD and I've got a GTi .... so I think I have a reasonable basis on which to comment. And yes I've had a good drive in his car ....
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I think I may have been misinterpreted, I purchased the gtd for economy with performance in mind but circumstances changed and it now turns out I am paying the same in terms of fuel etc as I prob would on a gti hence the reason for thinking of change.
I know they aren't tickets if I wanted Powere I would have gone for a car that gave me that. The gtd when I purchased ticked the boxes for my criteria now things have changed.
It's funny how things can happen but what's funnier is how quick and touch ppl are about these things :wink:
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The only other big difference is the future values on the finance, with the GTD subsequently much cheaper on the monthly
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You can have a discussion without having to resort to insults / name calling and childish behaviour :smiley:
No names were called and the behaviour was adultish behaviour rather than childish. Both gti and gtd are very good all round cars with subtle differences but as most people have said you can buy far far better cars for the money but we don't because we like our golfs. :wink:
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Still struggle with the constant comparison between GTI and GTD with regards performance as one is a fast petrol and the other a fast diesel.
So if you have a GTI compare it against other petrol cars and if have a GTD compare against other diesels but not againts each other!
I wanted a diesel due to the company car tax and fuel with quite substantial savings for doing so but I also wanted a relatively quick car by normal standards and GTD is simply perfect, great economy and comfort and no slouch in the real world of our day to day roads.
If performance was my #1 consideration I would have gone for the more powerful GTI.
It gets seen as unfair a GTI is compared to a 135i with extra BHP but seems ok to compare a GTI to a GTD when differences are so marked in BHP and engine types.
However! there are some direct comparisons that in a lot of the day to day driving makes them very close.
Colleague at work is 3 weeks into having his GTI and my first opportunity to directly compare. His is an out of the box manual with minimal extras.
The ride is harder to the cushioned DCC of my GTD even in sport but way way better than my previous S Line so maybe I would have been ok without DCC
The interior is pretty much identical aside from the red trim over the grey so my experience of being in it just going along at normal speeds was the same as my GTD
The GTD is not slow but the GTI has an obvious burst of speed that the GTD simply cannot meet BUT in our whole 120 mile round journey that was used only a few times and most of the driving experience was again identical.
One win for the DSG and not model was the M25 as stuck in traffic he was on and off the clutch and quite tiring to watch let alone do where as for me in DSG you just let car take that strain.
From having been out in the GTI now I would say I would have one over the GTD as I would of anyway at outset as there is that extra urgency and power, if the financial implications did not play such a part but truth is everything else is pretty much the same car.
So no regrets here the GTD looks great, is fast and economical, and I know from being in a GTI now my cabin experience is the same.
The times I would miss the power are made up by all the extra ££ I can spend on other things need/like
So the cars are actually very comparable both comfortable and quick and look great but at end of day if performance is #1 then do not get the GTD as the GTI is plain and simply faster.
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If we had a like button on here I would be liking the previous post :smiley: