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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: kodkod.84 on 20 February 2014, 12:46
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Not sure if this has been posted yet- but might be of interest to you MK7 GTI/GTD owners
http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2015-golf_gte/ (http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2015-golf_gte/)
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Anyone else think of this when they read the name?
(http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/18726/tn4-L.jpg)
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Nice find and an interesting read. The progression of hybrid tech really is astonishing!
J
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The name GTE does made me think of those bloody awful Astra's.
That is interesting, it's an A3 e-tron in a golf, and therefore much better looking, body.
apparently 201bhp, 0-62 in 7 seconds and 188mpg. I'd get one!
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Wonder how much it will be though? Can't imagine it being less that £35,000. I would rather get a GTI/R and spend the change on petrol and having fun.
J
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I think I read the e-tron will be around the £30,000 mark.
I think the big thing will be business leases. Imagine the tax benefits from getting that!
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This is true. There is no doubt the tech on these cars is impressive and will one day be the normal thing to have. One day the pricing will be competitive to average buyers.
J
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Looks good and sounds good on paper.
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First thing my Husband said was sounds like a crappy Astra GTE. I think this Golf GTE looks great. I really like the light around the fog lights area. But it won't be as much fun as the GTi…. I'll wait till they get the bhp & 0-60 better!
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Another factor is weight. I bet the batteries and motor add some mass to it over a GTI. It's one thing going fast in a straight line but it's something else altogether stopping it and turning it. In my opinion these are the GTI's key attributes, not so much power in a straight line.
J
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Really like that, bet they do something stupid and only do it in a more door guise.
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Another factor is weight. I bet the batteries and motor add some mass to it over a GTI. It's one thing going fast in a straight line but it's something else altogether stopping it and turning it. In my opinion these are the GTI's key attributes, not so much power in a straight line.
J
Bob on that.
Just got rid of the Prius after 3 years i can tell you all you want about heavy car issues!
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I used to have one of the Astra GTE's (referred to earlier in thread), infact I owned 2, both 8V and 16V versions (not at the same time). In its day it was a tremendous performer, particularly the 16V version, really used to fly. The chassis could not really cope with the power though.
Anyway - off topic somewhat, yes - until the costs come down you wont find me buying into hybrid/electric.
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KO4 that bad boy! Lol beast in the making.
But isn't strange to think that in like 10 years we'll probably be tuning electric cars, APR will have to sell souped up batteries or something lol
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I used to have one of the Astra GTE's (referred to earlier in thread), infact I owned 2, both 8V and 16V versions (not at the same time). In its day it was a tremendous performer, particularly the 16V version, really used to fly. The chassis could not really cope with the power though.
Anyway - off topic somewhat, yes - until the costs come down you wont find me buying into hybrid/electric.
I had a in 88 a 87 E reg white GTE, after superchips and big bore it went v well indeedy 0-90 15s but what a tinny hunk if junk! Build quality and materials were shocking and the lift off oversteer was dramatic! Good car though for a 19 year old. Happy times
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DLR's in the bumper look nice but I think I prefer the U xenons. I think the GTI/GTD's look much nicer. What's with the blue stripe through the lights? Wouldn't that have been better on the R?
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I think I read the e-tron will be around the £30,000 mark.
I think the big thing will be business leases. Imagine the tax benefits from getting that!
Is that £30k after the £5k government contribution towards hybrid cars?
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Looking at the e-tron it states that it will cost £32,700, but doesn't 't specify. It also says it is one of the better handling A3's. I suppose although heavier the weight distribution is good.
They also state that although the brochure says 188mpg it actually did 235mpg on the test drive. It's only slightly slower than the GTi and will do 31 miles on electric alone, taking 2 hrs and 15 minutes to charge.
All seems impressive actually. I work 17 miles from home so could do the commute almost entirely on electricity, plus tax free. I could potentially save £7000 over a three year term. That could actually be a viable daily drive for a private owner.
Of course, they're just initially figures. The GFV could be massively affected by the life of the batteries.
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Just found an article that claims the GTE will actually do 37 miles on electric and is expected to Coast £28,000 when the £5000 from the government is used.
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Very interesting indeed - I wonder what a charge costs plugged in to a home wall socket?
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Although different, but the same :) , I had a Vauxhall Ampera on a 3 day test drive.
It seems to have pretty much the same figures as the Golf GTE, from a miles driven on electric only point of view etc, albeit the Golf has more power available.
Anyway, I drove the Ampera exactly how I would drive in my normal way of working, but perhaps hammered it a bit more to test out the performance. All in all I did 185 miles at 177mpg. Pretty good I think. But, you really need to be able to top the electric up at every opportunity ideally. The Ampera needed around 7 hours I recall from standard mains plug.
The hybrid, plug in tech definitely works, it is just the purchase cost and charging opportunities that are holding it back for now. If you worked at an office with parking near a 13 pin plug and an extension lead you would be quids in ...
As for the Ampera? too compromised for me, had some very nice features, but then didn't have and cant spec things like an auto dimming rear view mirror. The fact the it is only a four seater is that cars biggest draw back though. Did drive very nice though and each journey became like a game of electric v's petrol usage, not sure if that novelty would wear off though.
If the Golf came in at 30K for a well specc'd one, that would become viable to a heck of a lot people I think, especially with Golf residuals. The batteries will always be a concern though in the 2nd hand market, hugely expensive still.
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Presumably it has a tiny fuel tank?
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Presumably it has a tiny fuel tank?
I would assume so, 188mpg and 580 miles a tank is less than 3 gallons. Plus the batteries have to go somewhere...
It says on a normal 3 pin plug full charge is 3.5 hours. These actually sound really viable. I 'd drive it to work and back, then charge overnight in the garage.
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They also state that although the brochure says 188mpg it actually did 235mpg on the test drive.
Car in "actually does more than the claimed mileage" shocker!!!!
:wink: :grin:
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Very interesting indeed - I wonder what a charge costs plugged in to a home wall socket?
I think that for pure e-cars with about an 8 hour charge, the cost per day was apparently less than 15p per day, IIRC.
I can't imagine that it will be significantly more than that.
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Very interesting indeed - I wonder what a charge costs plugged in to a home wall socket?
I think that for pure e-cars with about an 8 hour charge, the cost per day was apparently less than 15p per day, IIRC.
I can't imagine that it will be significantly more than that.
Most of the charging costs touted by the likes of Nissan for the Leaf etc were based on overnight charging under an "Economy 7" tariff, which is just under half the price alomst everyone pays for their electricity. Real electric miles on the Leaf are about 6p (3p on Economy 7), compared to 12.4p for a 50mpg diesel (fuel/electricity comparison). The leaf costs you £90 a month in battery rental if you don't pay silly money up front for one.
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I'm gonna be controversial here, apologies. But all this is sounds like a false economy. Doesn't sound like it saves that much money? AND… all this 'I'm saving the planet' stuff is false too. The CO2 may not come out of the back of the car when in electric drive…. No, the CO2 was produced at the power station! And there's all the deadly acid cr*p in the batteries… where are they going to be ethically disposed of? As you can see… I'm not convinced. :wink:
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As above, completely agree. Besides, the GTI is always going to be more fun :wink:
J
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It's not really false economy because no one has released cost figures, the figures mentioned here are just us lot talking from past knowledge or what is on the market now.
Also, 200mpg isn't false economy. It all depends on the plans offered by VW. It will also depend on how people buy. If 3 year PCP/PCH then battery life won't be an issue, although how it affects the GFV will matter.
Also, the cost of 3.5 hours per day electricity will pale in comparison to the £10 a day I have to work.
Finally, no one is claiming this is a hippy friendly world saver , it is about how the costs will affect the individual, which is how it is being marketed.
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I know the 177mpg I got over 3 days in the Ampera was no false economy.
My company pay me per mile travelled, based on around 35 mpg. I was quids,, no false economy there. If we are talking about true ecological credentials then we can debate, but the fact was I did 177mpg :)
Covering 20,000 miles a year,,, kerr ching :)
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I think the entire business milage policy will have a major overhaul soon. The figures that are out now won't be viable to these modern hybrids.
J
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If the real vs claimed fuel economy figures of the other GTx's are anthing to go by the GTE will be lucky to see 100 mpg :smiley:
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The economy is going to depend on your average journey distance. I sometimes get a work Pool car and the Toyota Auris or Prius Hybrids will struggle to achieve over 60 mpg on a long journey, but in town the mpg creeps up. It's the opposite with my GTD. Try as hard as I could the other week, I couldn't top 62.1 mpg in the Auris, but managed 63.3 mpg in my GTD.
Problem with the Auris I had the other week is the battery is pathetic. I managed about a mile on EV alone before it went from mostly charged to hardly charged, and the engine kicked in.
As a fairly sedentary driver I can't wait for the GTE to come out...I've already spoken to my local VW Dealership to register my interest. Never bought a brand new car before...the GTE will probably be the first. I'm thinking Night Blue Metallic will look good, with the blue grill stripe and blue brake calipers. :laugh: