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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: RobS23GTI on 18 February 2014, 08:53
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The reviews of the new Leon Cupra are now out and it looks a serious rival to the GTI (not Golf R as they are talking about a Cupra R 4wd in the near future).
Nice bit of extra power with added options on the Cupra 280, at a comparable price to the GTI. I'm not too sure on the interior, and I guess residuals will be worse, but it looks a quick machine especially with the mechanical diff.
What are peoples thoughts on the SEAT?
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the 3 door looks nice
still not taken with the dash though, but its miles better than the old one which was a hideous slab
it well equipped, its fast..its an attractive proposition
its certainly better then the last one that had a very harsh ride
you pays your money and you takes your choice...I suspect residuals wont be as good as the golfs which may either impact pcp costs or make it a better used buy.
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the Golf gti hits the sweet spot for me when it comes to overall running costs
its cheap to tax, its cheap (for me) to insure and its reasonable on fuel
as much as I would like and extra 50 horses...could I use them...and how much extra would it cost me
unknown at the moment...but in three years time my mortgage will be gone and then I might fancy a golf R or a cupra R.
or they might do another anniversary edition golf just in time when I come to change..who knows!
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This seems to offer a reasonable perspective:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Seat-Leon-Cupra-280-2014-CAR-review/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Seat-Leon-Cupra-280-2014-CAR-review/)
It certainly makes the PP on the GTI seem a bit mean when, for about the same money, Seat gives you the adaptive chassis and a proper brake upgrade as well as the funky diff...
I guess the Leon interior will not be as good as the Golf (that's been my experience over the years)... If I were buying then it would be a tough choice, even taking into account the better residuals on the Golf...
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Interior looks the same as the Golf, Aldi and so on...
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It’s very much plainer around the dash than the Golf – cheap flat black plastic in abundance – needs something to bring it out a bit like the Golf’s carbon-fibre effect glossy bits. MK4 is the best looking Leon yet, but I always find myself liking the external look of a SEAT for a year, then thinking it looks a bit stale. They don’t seem to age well IMO. A MK5 Golf is still a nice (if unremarkable) looking car, I couldn’t say that about the MK3 Leon, which I liked when it was new.
It’s a beast for the money though. Going on past Leons, residuals will probably be around 47% (we’ll have to wait for the GFV figs to make a proper call on that score), so what you save upfront against an R might be lost later, making you no better off.
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It may have more power but your sacrificing quailty imo. Badge snobbery at its finest here - Seat's are not in the same league as VW. Simple
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Last generation differences were more visible. I thought the Leon looked like an MPV or Seat Altea.
This MQB platform looks more uniform than ever. Looks better value on paper than a pp GTI.
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Last generation differences were more visible. I thought the Leon looked like an MPV or Seat Altea.
This MQB platform looks more uniform than ever. Looks better value on paper than a pp GTI.
As monkeyhanger points out, from a value perspective it is about the TCO which is not, in this case, so clear cut.
That said, some might decide to go with the Seat on the basis of its greater performance...
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Let's focus guys...
Importantly the colour mfd seems to have a lot more colour!
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Actually my second choice car after the GTi was the Leon, took out the 1.8TSi and it was really good fun and there was an alcantra option.
Looking at the photos and the initial reviews the Cupra would have been seriously tempting, but two things really for me, firstly the GTi is a lot more subtle, and secondly, the GTi is a legend :wink:
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If I was in the position for ordering now I'd be hard pressed to ignore the Leon Cupra.
I don't do badge or any other sort of snobbery; absolutely abhor snobbery.
I owned one of the original Leon Cupras years ago and have had several Ibizas as well. Build quality, reliability and resale value (actual £££'s not silly % of new have all been on a par with other VW stuff I've owned (plenty).
The Leon SC Cupra 280 is, I think, about the only (affordable) car VW group make I'd be 100% happy with as standard, no added options. I'd obviously want to make it faster at some point but that's just 'normal'!!!!
The only option the Leon lacks that the Golf has is the ugly front radar (£500 option) that I really wouldn't miss one bit.
The Leon gets nav, 19's, DCC and the 'Cupra' setting on the car which will be similar to the R allowing it to be a bit more ballsy when you're in the mood.
The Golf R I have huge respect for but it just doesn't float my boat (yet), the GTI is great, drives really really well, looks and feels brilliant, is iconic etc. etc.
But that Leon would just be nagging at me if I was ordering now...
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It may have more power but your sacrificing quailty imo. Badge snobbery at its finest here - Seat's are not in the same league as VW. Simple
I agree with you Craig - it looks like a very decent motor but I'd never have it over a GTI.
Completely OT, have you seen the official image of the dash on the new TT? Looks incredible, very cool!
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It may have more power but your sacrificing quailty imo. Badge snobbery at its finest here - Seat's are not in the same league as VW. Simple
I agree with you Craig - it looks like a very decent motor but I'd never have it over a GTI.
Completely OT, have you seen the official image of the dash on the new TT? Looks incredible, very cool!
All digital, seen it. Might get a TT next time, if I can get the missus to take her test and drive the reasonably practical car (she has her eye on an Audi A1 S-line black edition).
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It may have more power but your sacrificing quailty imo. Badge snobbery at its finest here - Seat's are not in the same league as VW. Simple
I agree with you Craig - it looks like a very decent motor but I'd never have it over a GTI.
Completely OT, have you seen the official image of the dash on the new TT? Looks incredible, very cool!
Looks brilliant Mark although wouldn't surprise me with Audi if that was an optional extra. I'm looking forward to seeing pics from Geneva of the full reveal. From what I've already seen I don't think it will be a massive change from the mk2 but could still be very tempted to move back in a few years. Prefer this forum mind you :grin:
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Completely OT, have you seen the official image of the dash on the new TT? Looks incredible, very cool!
I saw a picture of that, is it for real, the entire dash is a TFT display
(http://fourtitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Audi-TT-Mk3-MQB-Interior-CES-2014-282.jpg)
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Completely OT, have you seen the official image of the dash on the new TT? Looks incredible, very cool!
I saw a picture of that, is it for real, the entire dash is a TFT display
(http://fourtitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Audi-TT-Mk3-MQB-Interior-CES-2014-282.jpg)
Completely real :smiley:
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The interior in that SEAT wants to make me vomit :sick:
:grin:
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That screen looks awesome. No doubt it will be an option though knowing Audi.
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Looking at interior pictures, the Golf does look a bit better. I just wonder if there is enough difference to warrant the extra cost anymore.
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Looking at interior pictures, the Golf does look a bit better. I just wonder if there is enough difference to warrant the extra cost anymore.
If you are paying on PCP the golf may still be cheaper in terms of monthly payments thanks to the better residuals (I presume). Before ordering my gtd I thought for a moment I might save a few grand and go for a Leon FR. Turns out the money-saving Leon was around £100 more a month for me!
That aside the Leon don't hold the same interest for me as the Golf. Although I did think the interior looked better in person than photos, but still not as nice as the vw.
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Looking at interior pictures, the Golf does look a bit better. I just wonder if there is enough difference to warrant the extra cost anymore.
If you can wait for lease quotes on the Leon to filter through and compare them to the best R deals, then you might find there's nowt in it as better VW residuals wipe out RRP savings on the Leon. Besides that, the Golf has 20PS more and 4WD to put that power down (ands help out in the winter). Not sure i'd want 280PS on a front wheel drive.
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Yeh all true, the Golf is likely to have better residuals.
I see the Cupra as a market challenger to the Astra VXR.
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Looks brilliant Mark although wouldn't surprise me with Audi if that was an optional extra. I'm looking forward to seeing pics from Geneva of the full reveal. From what I've already seen I don't think it will be a massive change from the mk2 but could still be very tempted to move back in a few years. Prefer this forum mind you :grin:
Oh yeah, this forum wins hands down!! Yes, I can't wait to see it properly when it's revealed! I'm sure it will be an optional extra but I'd so pay for that, looks immense!
Sorry for the OT discussion!