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General => General discussion => Topic started by: clipperjay on 17 February 2014, 23:24
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Well after finding my old racer (34 years old) I decided to restore it for my daughter who is addicted to speed, recon by next year she will be riding well on this. This is what I had to start with and I've bought loads of NOS parts build has cost me about £160 in total. The bloody tyres were a nightmare to get hold off 500A!!!
Derailer, brake/gear cables, brake pads, rear caliper, pedals, dynamo lights, tyres/inner tubes 28x500A 20", gear cables, seat, handlebar tape, bar ends, Izumi 1/2 chain, chain wheel guard.
I wanted to re chrome the rims but that's another £80 odd pounds :rolleyes:
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speak to your local powdercoater see if he will do the lot :smiley:
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Well its not finished still waiting on parts, but I'm going to leave the paint work adds the cool factor of vintage look I think?
Its a Junior Gitane Grand Prix model I was given this when I was 9 years old and I have tried searching on the internet but can't find much info except back in the day they called the kids range migets range! Its got really thick coats of primer and paint and lets face it 34 years old and it still looks good after a good clean up!
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still looks decent for that age :smiley:
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Jay, If you need powder coat just let me know! My Son runs a company that specialises in top notch jobs on bike frames, and regularly sorts out very very expensive frames for people all over europe!
Thom
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still looks decent for that age :smiley:
Yeah I think all that grease and oil has saved it when it sat in the oldmans garage
Jay, If you need powder coat just let me know! My Son runs a company that specialises in top notch jobs on bike frames, and regularly sorts out very very expensive frames for people all over europe!
Thom
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Cool Thom good to know I'm not sure whats it worth these days, but to me its pastime memories and hopefully my daughter will enjoy this! The budget was supposed to be small, but when I paid £20.00 just for four stamped Weinmann brake blocks you can see how easily the budget got destroyed!
Love to see some of your kids work with road bikes, Issues with full restore like stickers is a pain found some replicas, he wanted £30.00 for the set, but its adult size stickers this is only 20" wheel small frame so would be too big?
Was thinking getting back on the road with one, but realised the one I liked cost about £2.2K Mekk carbonfibre! :lipsrsealed:
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The best way of sorting the chrome in my experience is with tin-foil and a small amount of wd40. Scrunch it into a ball, spray a little wd and then rub away
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The best way of sorting the chrome in my experience is with tin-foil and a small amount of wd40. Scrunch it into a ball, spray a little wd and then rub away
Yes Sam thats what I do, but with Goddards sliver polish as cutting compound. TBF they are coming up nice but still have poppy seed rust coming through the chrome which I can't remove.
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still looks decent for that age :smiley:
Yeah I think all that grease and oil has saved it when it sat in the oldmans garage
Jay, If you need powder coat just let me know! My Son runs a company that specialises in top notch jobs on bike frames, and regularly sorts out very very expensive frames for people all over europe!
Thom
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Cool Thom good to know I'm not sure whats it worth these days, but to me its pastime memories and hopefully my daughter will enjoy this! The budget was supposed to be small, but when I paid £20.00 just for four stamped Weinmann brake blocks you can see how easily the budget got destroyed!
Love to see some of your kids work with road bikes, Issues with full restore like stickers is a pain found some replicas, he wanted £30.00 for the set, but its adult size stickers this is only 20" wheel small frame so would be too big?
Was thinking getting back on the road with one, but realised the one I liked cost about £2.2K Mekk carbonfibre! :lipsrsealed:
Have a look on here Jay, also follow the links to his FB pages. Plus a whole new section to the website is on its way soon http://www.noquarterbikes.co.uk/
Thom
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Wow Thom is this your sons business?
I'm liking the stuff on there! :cool:
When I'm ready to get a new road bike I'll come up and see him for sure! :smiley:
I forgot to ask people about rim cloth, but I measured the spoke nuts and rim width it looks like 13mm, Diameter 180cm which means this seems good to buy?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360789740425?var=630182484162&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360789740425?var=630182484162&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
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I forgot to ask people about rim cloth, but I measured the spoke nuts and rim width it looks like 13mm, Diameter 180cm which means this seems good to buy?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360789740425?var=630182484162&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360789740425?var=630182484162&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Yep spot on, I use Velox rim tape on all my bikes.
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I forgot to ask people about rim cloth, but I measured the spoke nuts and rim width it looks like 13mm, Diameter 180cm which means this seems good to buy?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360789740425?var=630182484162&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360789740425?var=630182484162&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Yep spot on, I use Velox rim tape on all my bikes.
Cool Wayne I've always been told cloth was better than rubber derivatives!
Just ordered two rolls
Parts list has gone over £180 :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Postie hates my guts keeps asking is it for the golf I shake my head and look sad!
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Rebuilt the derailleur cant find two things:
Selle Italia junior seat
One chain wheel guard with 3" center bores and a OTC of 6.5" 7"
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Oh babt this is looking good
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Oh babt this is looking good
Still waiting for some parts but getting there Sam!
Some more piccys for you! :whistle:
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Going to do this next for my brother's 50th birthday!
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Wouldn't you rather sell that Burner Jay? :lipsrsealed:
Thom
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Wouldn't you rather sell that Burner Jay? :lipsrsealed:
Thom
Lol its a restore I don't want to do mate, but its my older brothers bike we both rode BMX mid 80's so just don't know if he will appreciate the money, time and effort that's going to be needed!
I'm too scared to start it TBF. :grin:
On another note I've lost the M6 bolts to the hubs on the front wheels. Its a M6 but can't find any nut I own that fits the pitch?
I'm guessing being french its got to be 0.75 pitch against modern pitch of 1.00 any Ideas Thom?
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Fine metric sounds about right for a froggy bike... Good luck on that one!
Do you mean the nuts on the spindle, the ones that keep the bearings in check?
Thom
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The cylinder hub bolts to hold the wheel on the forks? (Those pics I posted from bottom go up six one of the wheel)
Would dome nuts be better or just plain :undecided:
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Ah, those! Iv'e just been looking at your pics to see if I could see them hiding somewhere :grin:
I'd use just open ended nuts, I reckon Halfords would sell them
Thom
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Ah, those! I've just been looking at your pics to see if I could see them hiding somewhere :grin:
I'd use just open ended nuts, I reckon Halfords would sell them
Thom
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Domed nuts seem to short open ones they are!
I'll pop down to local matey I'm sure he has a box of unusual size bolts and nuts!
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The Selle Italia junior has a length of 250mm and width of 130mm, the adult 1990s seat is 275mm x 139mm. Not a great deal in it.
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Found two bolts in my box they were in a money bag with chest of draw handles, what was the chances of finding them after all these years? :grin:
The Selle Italia junior has a length of 250mm and width of 130mm, the adult 1990s seat is 275mm x 139mm. Not a great deal in it.
Hey Sam was looking at Selle turbo one 80's brown or black Suede, but on mine its SELLA Italia? and Not SELLE? Did they change names in different countries? :undecided:
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Hey Sam was looking at Selle turbo one 80's brown or black Suede, but on mine its SELLA Italia? and Not SELLE? Did they change names in different countries? :undecided:
2 different companies, http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/selle-italia-selle-italia-turbo-1980-saddle-prod24694/ and both are still going
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Hey Sam was looking at Selle turbo one 80's brown or black Suede, but on mine its SELLA Italia? and Not SELLE? Did they change names in different countries? :undecided:
2 different companies, http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/selle-italia-selle-italia-turbo-1980-saddle-prod24694/ and both are still going
Yes Wayne thats the one I thought to match the handlebars brown tape!
Can't find anything on SELLA though??? Any links?
My bad Google defaults to Selle it is defo different company school boy error must be getting old!
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Can't find anything on SELLA though??? Any links?
I think they ended up as part of Selle who own a lot of brands these day but not 100% sure
A cheaper option for the saddle: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-Charge-Cr-Spoon-Mountain-Road-Bike-Saddle-Seat-Brown-RRP-25-/171161213530?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item27da00da5a
I use these on all my bikes and they are really comfy.
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Well Wayne my daughter finds the current seat a bit uncomfortable, so any thing that looks like a razor blade she will wince :grin:
I might just get a turbo one seems comfortable and soft?
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Well Wayne my daughter finds the current seat a bit uncomfortable, so any thing that looks like a razor blade she will wince :grin:
I might just get a turbo one seems comfortable and soft?
The charge spoon is more comfy than the turbo, I do around 4000miles a year on them
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Well Wayne my daughter finds the current seat a bit uncomfortable, so any thing that looks like a razor blade she will wince :grin:
I might just get a turbo one seems comfortable and soft?
The charge spoon is more comfy than the turbo, I do around 4000miles a year on them
Might be? But has to be period correct It would look odd with the style of 1982-83
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Well Wayne my daughter finds the current seat a bit uncomfortable, so any thing that looks like a razor blade she will wince :grin:
I might just get a turbo one seems comfortable and soft?
The charge spoon is more comfy than the turbo, I do around 4000miles a year on them
Might be? But has to be period correct It would look odd with the style of 1982-83
A lot of people use them on retro builds and they tend to look ok.
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Just don't know mate the seat is still alright TBF it might have to be put on back burner she might not like riding the road bike which would mean it would hang on the wall as a bit of art for me :tongue:
A few more bits and she is nearly there some Shimano brake cable came in the post schessse the cost of the kit is not cheap and even gear cable wasn't cheap!But quality is there so much cable I had to waste :lipsrsealed:
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Well Wayne my daughter finds the current seat a bit uncomfortable, so any thing that looks like a razor blade she will wince :grin:
I might just get a turbo one seems comfortable and soft?
The charge spoon is more comfy than the turbo, I do around 4000miles a year on them
Might be? But has to be period correct It would look odd with the style of 1982-83
A lot of people use them on retro builds and they tend to look ok.
I have just bought a charge spoon and it is comfy as hell (and you could buy 3 for the price of 1 stelle) and it looks the part on my 1980s Raleigh Milk race frame. The turbo is pretty big but also quite deep so may look a little odd, also the word 'turbo' falls off after a few miles anyhow.
Spoon (http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/images/shop/pfullsize_2267_1354532372.jpg)
EDIT: Also have a look at the 'scoop', its looks are more classic
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Well Wayne my daughter finds the current seat a bit uncomfortable, so any thing that looks like a razor blade she will wince :grin:
I might just get a turbo one seems comfortable and soft?
The charge spoon is more comfy than the turbo, I do around 4000miles a year on them
Might be? But has to be period correct It would look odd with the style of 1982-83
A lot of people use them on retro builds and they tend to look ok.
I have just bought a charge spoon and it is comfy as hell (and you could buy 3 for the price of 1 stelle) and it looks the part on my 1980s Raleigh Milk race frame. The turbo is pretty big but also quite deep so may look a little odd, also the word 'turbo' falls off after a few miles anyhow.
Spoon (http://www.sunsetmtb.co.uk/images/shop/pfullsize_2267_1354532372.jpg)
Okay Sam I'll go look and see, need to see before buyeee! :grin:
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My edit got lost in between responses... have a look at the 'scoop' instead, much more classic looking.
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Having issues with rear brake binding I think the mounting nuts on the caliper is too tight :undecided:
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The bolt been too tight will be the problem, not a lot else to go wrong with old roadie breaks. Just loosen it off the caliper face and lock the two nuts together (if it has that setup) but ensure there isn't too much flex in the arms when you brake. Makes more sense to do it than describe it haha
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I couldn't be arsed to tweek Sam so I replaced the rear brake with another and it still binding less, but I has re-greased the cable and sprayed some GT into the levers and think the washers were still new and tight on the dual handles, but I have full stopping power on the little bike now!
Derailer and chain next, but waiting for a Park tool chain splitter to arrive.
So start with smallest gear cog first? :undecided:
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Twop twip for putting the chain on... bend an old spoke over at 90deg at each end and put a slight curve in it too, you can then pinch the chain and hook it through either side of your pinch point (creating a slack hanging bit of chain). This keeps the derailleur under tension but allows you to work on a slack chain and it doesn't ping off/fall off.
As for setting up gears, I do it via trial and error messing about with the limiter screws but this seems like a fairly decent guide if you can be arsed to follow through a set of instructions.
http://www.lifecycleuk.org.uk/sites/staging.lifecycleuk.org.uk/files/files/gears.pdf
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cheers sam will look through!
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Having a hard time getting the chain right way around Derailleur I stuck the temporary chain piece, but its too thick not sure what that chain bracket does, but looks like I'll just have to hook it up to chain Via pushing the pin through?
Is it on the right spring hook?
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When you put tension through the chain from the jockey wheel to the bottom of you front rings does the derailluer not pull up and rest on that spring?
EDIT: SHOULD THAT SPRING PEICE NOT BE UNDER THE STICKY OUT BIT IN THE BOTTOM PIC?
EDITEDIT: Yes, thats your tensioner spring (took some figuring out). You may have to take off the cage to set it in position or at least take the mech off the bike and try push it around whilst against a hard surface to avoid snapping your hangar (which I assume is simply the frame)
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I'm crying Sam mind is jello I will test and test until its right got a picture how that chain should go around does it look right?
There is Two hooks I think the spring is right, but it needs the gear cable mounted for me to see the derailleur pull down right?
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I'm crying Sam mind is jello I will test and test until its right got a picture how that chain should go around does it look right?
Haha,
Over the jockey roller (top roller) then round and under the idler (lower roller) and straight to the bottom of the crank. The chains path when looking at it makes a backward S
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Okay then its right
I think the spring is in the right place.
I'll mount the cable and get some tension on it first how tight should the cable be and what position should be the lever up or flat with tube?
Okay the Derailleur was 180 degrees out once that was sorted it made sense tension on the spring is now correct Sam! :grin:
Can you explain why the master chain link is too wide its a pain in the butt I have to remove two pins just to link it? :undecided:
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Okay then its right
I think the spring is in the right place.
I'll mount the cable and get some tension on it first how tight should the cable be and what position should be the lever up or flat with tube?
Okay the Derailleur was 180 degrees out once that was sorted it made sense tension on the spring is now correct Sam! :grin:
Can you explain why the master chain link is too wide its a pain in the butt I have to remove two pins just to link it? :undecided:
Master chain link? You using a sram powerlink to connect it all together, if so, is it the correct one for the gearing i.e. 8 speed 10 speed 5 speed or what not.
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Hey sam sorted master link looks like a quick release link, but I figured this chain is a 1/2 chain, being a road bike it only just fits so spacing would be okay for a BMX or fixi without gears!
All good though waiting for pedals and need to do bar tap and its finished!
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Hey sam sorted master link looks like a quick release link, but I figured this chain is a 1/2 chain, being a road bike it only just fits so spacing would be okay for a BMX or fixi without gears!
All good though waiting for pedals and need to do bar tap and its finished!
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Looking ace! Yer, wrong sized powerlink (quick release link). :smiley:
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I've started this now :lipsrsealed:
Bill parts so far £100
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Nice work Jay, looking forward to the Burner now :cool:
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Thanks Thom I've got an issue with the handlebars apparently there is a super chrome powder coating that's hard to match the gold is hard to match and the black translucent coat over the chrome is also hard to match not sure if James has a solution for this as the black coating is gone on the handle bars, but the section were the V is still has this coating for reference.
Could you ask him if he knows what I've been told about the powder coating on the chrome?
Cheers
Jay
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Fed up of typing NOS BMX into ebay yet?
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Fed up of typing NOS BMX into ebay yet?
Haaa nah I've got a few mates looking for me its like a rss feed right to my phone Sam so far all parts are like new that have come through money wise :lipsrsealed:
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that looks so much better than the pictures from page 1 :cool:
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Thanks Barry it's actually nice to work on bikes was loosing passion for cars but it definitely labour of love :smiley:
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Thanks Barry it's actually nice to work on bikes was loosing passion for cars but it definitely labour of love :smiley:
well you done a top job on it mate :wink: bet your wee 1 is over the moon with it
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Yeah she loves it to bits I think I need a comfortable seat and a 12" bike pump to finish it off! She just reaches the levers, but can't get full pull on them at the moment reckon give it another six months and it will fit like a glove for her!
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................................. was loosing passion for cars ..................
:shocked: wash your mouth out :angry:
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Hey Chuff I was mate, after the storm rip my bonnet and bulk head I just though FK it
Then spent £500-£600 on the Daily for new suspension it kinda took the steam out of it!
TBF it could pass the MOT with flying colours, but just not happy the way it looks which is Fooked! :rolleyes:
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get it MOT'd and used. you know it dont do it any good to just sit there :whistle:
Then the love will return to get it looking better :afro:
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Thats the plan mate this year I still remember you posting about it finshing around 2015 or was it 2014? :evil:
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