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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: davyk31 on 01 January 2014, 14:09
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I'm coming back to the forum hopefully soon, owned a Mk V GTI in 2006 for a couple of years and loved it, now thinking of a new GTi or more likely a GTD.
On initial enquiries the waiting lists seem kinda long and off putting but is it a case of finding a dealer who has perhaps a build slot booked. I will be wanting a relatively basic spec car as this is a second car so no need to go mad.
Question mainly is about what discount levels can be expected on a 5 door GTi or GTD. Does the discount levels differ between the two models?
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More likely to get a better discount on a GTI than a GTD. Most people here with huge (11%) discount got it on cars (mainly GTIs) with plenty of optional equipment (more margin in a higher specced car, I presume). Discounts on vanilla spec cars seem significantly lower.
If you have nothing to part ex then broker route may be best to get a decent level of discount with or without options.
Don't expect mpg miracles, both models are barely more frugal than the MK6 equivalent 20% gains seem on the EU testing cycles are for the inclusion of stop-start tech and those testing conditions make big use of it in situations far removed from real driving conditions.
There is a dealer member on this forum that has access to a few "pipeline" cars, advertised at around full RRP though - you'd have to try some haggling with him.
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As 'Monkeyhangar' says - if price is the key issue for you rather than waiting time - order through a broker such as Drive the Deal who will offer up to 12% off a GTD subject to options. If speed is your priority there are normally around a half dozen GTD in UK stock but you will be heard pressed to get much of a discount on them.
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Thanks for the replies. Out of the three dealers I have spoken to have said a factory order is needed for a GTD, one quoted March, another April and one June. Someone must be exaggerating a bit I suspect. I do want a decent discount but waiting time is pretty important too, depends a bit on what I do with my current car, I may have someone keen to buy it now so if that works out I would want a new car pretty swift.
One dealer talked of them getting a GTD in 4 to 6 weeks, think they were saying it would be a demo but not sure if they can then change that to make it a car they can sell or are they obligated to keep it for a demo? I'm a little unsure as to how VW UK work on this.
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As Momkeyhangar says - if price is the key issue for you rather than waiting time - order through a broker such as Drive the Deal who will offer up to 12% off a GTD subject to options. If speed is your priority there are normally around a half dozen GTD in UK stock but you will be heard pressed to get much of a discount on them.
I used carwow and got a good deal from a dealer only 90 miles away. Even got extra discount for self collection.
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Would just say talk to your dealers. I got an excellent deal on my doorstep (better than car wow) with peterborough vw with only marginal effort, they were very accommodating. I compared with the next closest, plus the one by my family in Preston and went back to the first place I tried.
The other two were national chains which weren't very helpful.
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Availability of cars is the biggest issue, nearly all dealers say a factory order is needed and have quoted anything from March to June for this. Surely a fresh factory order should be the same timescale from whichever dealer, guess some will exaggerate to get the sale which is what I want to be aware of.
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Would just say talk to your dealers. I got an excellent deal on my doorstep (better than car wow) with peterborough vw with only marginal effort, they were very accommodating. I compared with the next closest, plus the one by my family in Preston and went back to the first place I tried.
The other two were national chains which weren't very helpful.
You did well. All the dealers I spoke to were "list price or get lost..."; carwow worked out around 12% overall in the end, very happy with that.
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Didn't think car wow went that high, recall it being circa 9 percent. I didn't really need to try too hard even being aware of that, (plus it is like 2 miles from my house) but it also depends on the number of cars they sold and obviously how many options you tick. Preston gave me a pretty crap price, even with the threat of signing up there and then, then called me back two days later with a way better deal than they previously offered, so I asked why and they just said their quota was down for the month. It was somewhere near as good as the deal I actually got, as in a few hundred.
Both the chains gave me all the 6 month lead time, no discounts because selling well, none available etc. Huntingdon were not very helpful at al, some smarmy spotted oik with an ipad waffling on about strong sale, long lead times, no need to discount etc. One look at the shiny new dealership, and circa 400k of vehicles in the showroom with 20 staff told me I wasnt getting a good price before walking in...
Vw in peterborough were fairly helpful from the off, bringing a demo back to the dealers from fleet duty to drive when nobody had one, then pretty much offering a good discount to start with which I beat down further. Family run dealer so were pretty keen to sell vehicles it seems.
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Best carwow price i've seen on a vanilla spec GTD was £23710 - been looking for a mate in the last few days.
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Would just say talk to your dealers.
Yes give it a try but you wil need some luck to get top discount. My local one (with whom I would say I have a good relationship, having purchased two new Golfs from them in the last ten years and their doing all my servicing) offered 6% and that was the best they could do.
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Local dealer is getting near to 8% on a relatively low spec GTD, jsut adding camera, airbags and high beam assist. That is all by email so they maybe would do better face to face. Issue is delivery as quoting June.
Thats leads on to another question, is a lowish spec model ie. with no sat nav a no no that will harm resale or no big issue?
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Local dealer is getting near to 8% on a relatively low spec GTD, jsut adding camera, airbags and high beam assist. That is all by email so they maybe would do better face to face. Issue is delivery as quoting June.
Thats leads on to another question, is a lowish spec model ie. with no sat nav a no no that will harm resale or no big issue?
I would say you will get slightly more than a non-sat navigation model upon resale but not what you paid originally for the option, I would say £300/400 more than a non-sat nav model at the very most.
Local dealerships can match the brokers if spoken to properly, perhaps the GTD's are harder to discount than GTi's but I think I managed around 12% off my GTi :smiley:
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You will be lucky to see 25% back on any option selected - Leather and DSG add about £300 more to part-ex value 3 years down the line. A GTD/GTI has plenty of standard spec and you won't get penalised for not speccing up. With that in mind you should buy the stuff for you and not the next owner. Most options provide relatively poor value for money - be sure you buy what you will use on a regular basis to best get your money's worth. £700 is a lot of money for the basic nav, you're paying over twice the amount of a high end standalone for the convenience of integration. The choice is yours......
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Thats leads on to another question, is a lowish spec model ie. with no sat nav a no no that will harm resale or no big issue?
If the standard spec were to change in the meantime, yes... "Oh thats one of the early ones with no sat-nav" is the type of comment you will get.
If not, then I would not spec sat-nav solely in consideration of a future disposal - only if I wanted it for my own reasons and would then simply use the greater ease of sale as a factor to back up my decision!
Local dealerships can match the brokers if spoken to properly, perhaps the GTD's are harder to discount than GTi's but I think I managed around 12% off my GTi :smiley:
Your case is the exception to the rule. Local dealerships generally will not discount to those levels under normal circumstances. 12% discounts are achieved by brokers as they are placing multiple orders - in effect fleet purchases.
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To get 12% off a dealership at the retail level is rare. Most brokers place volume orders through the fleet arm of a dealership.
Dealers margins in a car are based mainly on volume of sales and level of satisfaction in the customer surveys. Dealers can get as little as 5% on the sales volumes if they don't get anything from the satisfaction surveys (maximum 15% attributable to top marks in the satisfaction surveys) - so my dealership salesman told me.
A small dealership with a low satisfaction rating would be losing money selling with a 12% discount.
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I have managed to get a 12% discount on a GTD DSG and Options from my Local dealer.
Always worth going in with a best quote from elsewhere. I was surprised to get 12% mind :)
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I have managed to get a 12% discount on a GTD DSG and Options from my Local dealer.
Always worth going in with a best quote from elsewhere. I was surprised to get 12% mind :)
Did you release the hostages as soon as you got that deal? :grin:
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I have managed to get a 12% discount on a GTD DSG and Options from my Local dealer.
Always worth going in with a best quote from elsewhere. I was surprised to get 12% mind :)
Did you release the hostages as soon as you got that deal? :grin:
Nope, but I reckon the finance guy went the loo after to drop some hostages off ;)
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This can happen when there are other factors (often unknown to the customer) at play. Time of year for a start - this is a quiet time for dealers. Then there is allocation - if they are selling under their allocation this is not going to help their position next year and they are best to make a sale (with less profit) to fullfill it rather than lose it.
They may value your relationship with them for servicing and/or previous purchases. All these can create an exception to the rule....
My experience was that I was only offered half fo a brokers discount on a GTD purchase from my normal servicing dealer with whom I have a good relationship and have bought two new cars. For unknown reasons they were just unabel or unwilling to go that far - quite possibly they were acheiveing their targets on the GTD/GTI and were happy to meet them and simply did not need to offer any further discount. Maybe they thought I would accept it - who knows! Anyway there were no hard feelings and I felt I had at least given them the chance to compete. As it was, the DtD dealer is that well known one in Kent that one might associate yellow diggers with rather than VW's and they gave me an additional £2k off. Thats too much to refuse, good relationship or not!
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How long did you wait for delivery from the DTD dealer?
I am not finding any dealers yet who will go to 12%.
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To be fair mine via carwow was spec'd up quite a bit, not sure if that helped to increase the dealer's offered discount rate or not. I also negotiated direct with the dealer on a few things beyond the original carwow quote which all helped towards the final discount when I worked it out.
In my experience, whatever is bid online by a dealer can vary from day to day subject to their circumstances just the same as in the showroom - e.g. status of monthly quotas etc... so I wouldn't assume that their first bid for your business is necessarily their best and final.
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To be fair mine via carwow was spec'd up quite a bit, not sure if that helped to increase the dealer's offered discount rate or not.
Yes it would have done - there is a lot more margin to work with on the optional items...
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I am not finding any dealers yet who will go to 12%.
Just order via DtD at 12% off and they will place it with a dealer in kent for you. Apart from the initial phone call its the same as if you negotiated the deal yourself.
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Or order from Cheltenham VW from the list of cars they have available over on the main forum.
I ordered my GTD last night from Lee, it will be with them next week some time and I got a great price. Can't beat that!!
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I am not finding any dealers yet who will go to 12%.
Just order via DtD at 12% off and they will place it with a dealer in kent for you. Apart from the initial phone call its the same as if you negotiated the deal yourself.
Its what I did and exactly as described above 12% and no grief except perhaps a little longer delivery due to the order book being full.
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Or order from Cheltenham VW from the list of cars they have available over on the main forum.
Hi Davy - glad you found what you are looking for - although 'selected' your car would be a more accurate word than ordered as presumably you chose from a range of pre-built stock cars?
The main thing is you yourself are happy with the deal and waiting time - enjoy the GTD!
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Yep that's true, I had a list of cars already in stock or coming to dealers this month so I selected the one which was a combination of the best financial deal and fitted options.
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Also the delivery time was mega important to me, I have someone keen to buy my car for a decent price and that buyer may not be there if I factory order a car and wait. Also getting options I probably would not have specced so in a way that isn't the best financial move but a discount helps that and you only live once!!