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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: corgi on 16 December 2013, 11:35
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So, I have had my GTD for 4 full days now and my g/f has a 120d M-Sport.
Here are my initial thoughts in comparison:
Performance:
Difficult to tell, my GTD hasn't cracked 250 miles yet and the BMW has ~5,000 miles. The power delivery is certainly different, the BMW more old school diesel, the GTD has a smoother less peaky delivery. I suspect there would be little to choose between them, there is less than half a second in it in the official figures for 0-60 (for what it is worth) and I reckon from a rolling start from 20mph to say 80 it would be close. I think we'll call it equal.
Ride and Handling
Here, there is a difference, the ride in the Golf is simply better (I have the standard dampers) than the BMW which is fidgetty at low speeds. The handling is more confidence inspiring in the Golf but I think the majority of that is down to the Bridgestone tyres on the BMW, this expresses itself in the BMW as, even in Sport, as a weird numb lightness in the steering on initial turn-in, the car doesn't understeer as such but its almost like a video game in that you just have to rely on the fact the car is going to turn... not good, but as I said I'm pretty sure its the tyres. The Golf has a chuckable, unstickable sort of feel to it, although you are always aware of the slightly nose heavy attitude compared to the BMW. The Golf wins by a small but significant margin.
Economy
Difficult to tell at the moment. The BMW averages >48 mpg with mid-fifties achievable on a motorway run averaging 75mph. I can't yet comment on the Golf, as I haven't been on any longer journeys in it. The nearest I have had so far was a 28 miles trip of mostly motorway/dual carriageway with cruise set at 75mph and I saw 46.6 for the trip which included some heavy, stop-start traffic for 10 minutes at the beginning, so not too bad.
Interior
Both cars have very different concepts. Firstly, the BMW, has the feeling of a cockpit, the seats are excellent (significantly ahead of the Golf, imo) and you can (and do if you're me) sit very low... but it feels a little dark and cramped in there; however, it is well made if a little scarce on the equipment side. The Golf has a lovely airy cabin the downside of this, for me at least, is that you sit too high. The seats are acceptable and it is well equipped and appears beautifully put together. So, the Golf would be difficult to beat, if I could have the BMW seats and driving position. There is more space in the Golf, in general but I think, I'll have to call it a draw.
Just a quick note, the BMW has the Harman-Kardon upgrade and I have Dynaudio in the Golf. The Dynaudio is the better sounding system to me (and the g/f) although the BMW system is still pretty good.
Equipment
Easy, the Golf wins hands down. Connectivity to the stereo, adaptive cruise control and those lights, both inside and out. etc. etc.
That's all for now but I may get the opportunity to have a run in them both soon with the Dynolicious app (when the Golf is run-in) to compare the cars objectively from a performance perspective.
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So, the Golf would be difficult to beat, if I could have the BMW seats and driving position.
Having just moved from a 320d M-Sport (E90 model), I agree, the BMW Sport seats and driving position are superb. My wife has a 116i Sport (2 months old) with the same sports seats and the range of adjustment is excellent, although I would say that the GTD seats have a more comfortable seat base. I do miss the pull out seat squab at the front of the seat and the adjustable side bolsters though, just for that bit of extra support.
I've got more used to the driving position in the GTD now and find it is a very comfortable place to be, particularly on the motorway using the ACC and at least now I don't have my son getting in the front and spending his time pumping the side bolsters up and down!
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1 series is the better car imho
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Interesting to hear from someone that owns both. The motoring press bum the 1 series something chronic, it gets a little tiresome.
For me, I appreciate the technology BMW install, but short of a true M car there is little I would like to own from the BMW range as they're just awful cars to look at. I don't have rose tinted spectacles on and think the VWs are the best looking, but the GTD ticked a lot of boxes on the spec list for me and looks pretty decent.
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1 series is the better car imho
I think that's an interesting statement. What I haven't covered is cost and to spec the BMW to the same level as the Golf requires a significant investment.
I'm inclined to disagree, certainly when the BMW has the Bridgestone tyres, the Golf is the better car just... if they had the same standard of tyre it would be very close... but I think in spite of the advantage of the seats and driving position in the BMW, the Golf, all-round is the better car as the driving position and seats in the Golf aren't bad, they're just not as good as in the BMW...
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1 series is the better car imho
What I haven't covered is cost and to spec the BMW to the same level as the Golf requires a significant investment.
This was one of the factors that lead me to the Golf. I had the option of a 120d Sport on my company car list, but to add what I would consider absolute must's (cruise control, parking sensors) I would have had to shell out £525 for the comfort pack. That's before we talk about the optional Xenons, 18" wheels - even Climate control!
You're looking at ~£29k for an equivalent specced 1 series to match the "standard" GTD, which with metallic is ~£26.7k Couple that with the 2% extra company car tax for the higher CO2 emissions for the BM (although real life may tell a different story :grin:) - for me the GTD was a no brainer and I personally prefer the looks of the Golf too.
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the 1 series, the rear wheel drive experience is great (when there's no snow) and so is the driving position. The iDrive control is also pretty good and the new 1 series is leaps and bounds better than the older one. For me though, its the whole package of spec, tax implications, looks as well, which is why I went with the Golf and not the 1 series
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As close as I can tell, to spec a 120d M-Sport (not a Sport) to the equivalent spec on the Golf will cost you close to £3k on top of the price of the Golf...
So, if I were a private buyer that would put me off. As a company car user the lower BIK coupled with the lower purchase price (and in my case significantly lower lease cost) made the Golf a no-brainer over the BMW.
The BMW is a fine car but I can only find a couple of things that make it better than the Golf where I can come up with a raft of things that make the Golf better... when you then factor in the cost differences, it makes the thin case for the BMW even more tenuous.
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I've had a 1 Series for the past (almost) 2 years and its a fine car. I did a LOT of research into my replacement car (due in in April - for some reason the lease term is only 24 months) and considered getting another 1 Series. However the numbers just don't stack up. For whatever reason, a vanilla 118d M Sport (143hp) was roughly comparable (in terms of cost) to the GTD and a vanilla 120d M Sport (181hp) was considerably more expensive than the GTD.
If I wanted to spec either the 118d or 120d to a similar level [to the GTD] I would be paying significantly more money each month (mine is a salary sacrifice scheme).
I ordered a GTD this morning.
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rwd is so much more rewarding my 2005 120d is a lot better than any diesel vag I have had ok might not be better specced but
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Similar story here. The GTD on the company car scheme was a no brainer. Zero contribution, lower BIK and significantly better spec made the choice between the GTD, a 120d M Sport, and an A3 S Line really easy.
My wife's car is a new 116i Sport and it is very nice, very chuckable, not convinced the interior quality is up to the GTD based on the 4 day test drive I had in the GTD (quality of some of the plastics and poor standard speakers) but love it all the same.
For pure value for money (on our car scheme) the Golf is hard to go against though - mines due 14 April. :smiley:
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For whatever reason, a vanilla 118d M Sport (143hp) was roughly comparable (in terms of cost) to the GTD and a vanilla 120d M Sport (181hp) was considerably more expensive than the GTD.
If I wanted to spec either the 118d or 120d to a similar level [to the GTD] I would be paying significantly more money each month (mine is a salary sacrifice scheme).
The reason is the noticeably higher residuals on the GTD - 56% GFV vs 47% on the 120D M Sport (36 month term both cases) last time I looked. That's probably looking at £85 a month more expensive including interest for the BMW.
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Some really charitable BMW comments. Im a long term BMW fan boy M cars etc and current x3 owner but the 1 series is not a car Im a fan of. I was nearly persuaded by the M135i but in the end have gone GTD. Reason is the lack of space in the rear seats which for my requirements would mean it wouldn't get used for the family. The diesels are not on the map for me with rough engine and clunky gear change plus the rear end does a weird lateral shift on rough roads - based on driving a MK1 version I admit. Poor equipt levels and material quality on lower plastics. And then the looks - oh dear
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Some really charitable BMW comments. Im a long term BMW fan boy M cars etc and current x3 owner but the 1 series is not a car Im a fan of. I was nearly persuaded by the M135i but in the end have gone GTD. Reason is the lack of space in the rear seats which for my requirements would mean it wouldn't get used for the family. The diesels are not on the map for me with rough engine and clunky gear change plus the rear end does a weird lateral shift on rough roads - based on driving a MK1 version I admit. Poor equipt levels and material quality on lower plastics. And then the looks - oh dear
Personally I like the diesel unit in the 1 series, but I agree about the gear change…clunky sums it up quite well. The F20/21 (current model) 1 series is a good car - would certainly have no reservations about having another one.
On the looks…rumours are that it will receive a mid life upgrade (LCI) early in 2014, possibly even addressing the front lights.
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Some really charitable BMW comments. Im a long term BMW fan boy M cars etc and current x3 owner but the 1 series is not a car Im a fan of. I was nearly persuaded by the M135i but in the end have gone GTD. Reason is the lack of space in the rear seats which for my requirements would mean it wouldn't get used for the family. The diesels are not on the map for me with rough engine and clunky gear change plus the rear end does a weird lateral shift on rough roads - based on driving a MK1 version I admit. Poor equipt levels and material quality on lower plastics. And then the looks - oh dear
Have to admit I like the looks, but understand they're not for everyone! The new A3 for example looks dull to me, but lots of people love it.
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I think there's a difference between dull (A3, for some) and plain ugly (1 series, for many). The Golf isn't setting the world alight with its looks (it looks exactly how you'd expect a Golf to look), nor is it offensive to the eyes, and the sportier models are a little nicer to look at than the standard ones. In the main, the sporty BMW 1 series variants don't really stick out vs the standard ones. If the Golf gets any longer and lower it'll start to look like a 1 series.
Looks to me are important, I’d never consider a current BMW 1 series because I really don’t like the way they look. In the same way a MK6 was never in contention for me because they turned it into a rounded smiley Japanese-style caricature of a Golf (IMO) – it lost its sharp lines and aggressive (OK, not massively aggressive) front end that the MK5 GT Sport and GTI had which have thankfully been restored on the MK7. So glad the Scirocco came around when it did to fill the MK6 gap. I do like the A3 looks on a 3 door, not a fan of the 5 door Sportback though.
I also find the 2.0D BMW lump very unrefined when idling, nowhere near as quiet and smooth as a VAG unit.
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The 1 series Bread van looks got worse with the F20 series.
The MK5 is rounder looking than the MK6 from both the front and rear?
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Has anyone with a GTD driven either the current Octavia VRS or Leon FR with the 184ps engine as a direct comparison?
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I'd be comparing the GTD to the 125d as then you're looking at both top of the range soot chuckers.
Also, for what it's worth, discounts are circa 20% on the BMW's v 10% on the Golfs (I would imagine?). That will bring the comparable cost down a few k if you're buying.
Sure I saw on BMW AUC the other day a 1 year old 125d up for around £21k.
Think I'd still punt for the GTD if I was after a diesel, but my MK6 is getting rattly as hell, not sure the build quality is what it used to be.
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I'd be comparing the GTD to the 125d as then you're looking at both top of the range
I chose the 120d because it is a direct comparison and because I had one available...
125d, significantly more powerful and more expensive even taking into account the discounts.
We've been away in the 1er this week. It is sad really, it ought to be superb but the steering (with those Bridgestone tyres) is poor with no feel... And it needs a slippy diff...
With those fixed it would be excellent as it is, the Golf is the better car...
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Interesting reading, so I thought I would share my BMW experience... I bought a month old demo, Golf GT TDI back in 2009, well spec'd it was too, and ran that for just over 3 years, loved the car, but for some reason I fancied a BMW 123D. I finally got my hands on a late 2010 plate, well spec'd 3 door, but within a week I wished I hadn't. Its a quality car, great seats, faultless quality interior, I just hated the ride, and the clunky gearbox, I even changed the runflats for standard tyres to try and improve the twitchy ride... 3months in I swapped it for another Golf GT, as by then it was known that the MK7 was only months away, and the GTD a few month further down the line... I now have a MK7 GTD on order, and can't wait to get my hands on it.
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Previous shape 1er, I had a 123d and on 17" wheels the ride was acceptable... 123d had the electronic diff which was quite effective...
The F20/21 1er is a much better car in most cases. As I said above, all things considered, I'd take the Golf; however, if they put the electronic diff on the 120d and the steering had more feel I might change the decision...
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Corgi, really good thread.
As a company car driver, the GTD makes sense until you consider mpg... Lower mpg can actually make it a bit more expensive than some other vehicles.
I've heard some horror stories of 37-39mpg average and 44 mpg at best! This is the reason why i haven't ordered one yet.
What are you getting now, and how does it compare to the g/f 1 series?
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Last 2000 miles averaging about 48 mpg about the same or a little better than 120d
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Corgi, is that the trip computer or you checking the fuel?
I had a GTD test drive yesterday, my main concerns were: Comfort, build quality, performance & mpg.
It was very comfortable even with the 19" alloy wheels, well built, seemed fast enough.... and then mpg. Well, it was a short drive (13.5miles) but driven sensibly the computer displayed 49mpg for the first half and then when pushed it went down to 46mpg. How accurate was it i don't know.
The 3 series i currently drive is the ED (efficient dynamics) and there has been occasions where the trip computer says 55.5 and it is actually 46! I had it as low as 39mpg....
Not sure if the GTD is going to be my next company car but it's great to see how it compares to the bmw.
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Across the forum MK7 owners seem to find the MFD display fairly accurate. I'm sure someone can give you a percentage :smiley:
J
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For the Golf the figures I have given are calculated using the road trip app...
The MFD, however, seems reasonably accurate <5%
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Very good thread. My wife and I have been having the very same discussions over the last few months (6 :grin:). Having driven both (and also a 125d), the main conclusions we came out with were as follows:
The GTD is significantly better value for money
The GTD is a more comofortable ride
The GTD interface is easier and far more user friendly
The GTD is safer to drive (this was her point given the RWD of the 120d - I don't necessarily agree)
Went for the GTD. It's worth noting that hers is a company car, so the lease price also was a factor. The stock GTD before adding options was £60 cheaper a month. Both cars once loaded had options totaling nearly the same, therefore the £60 difference still applied.
It's also worth noting that we also seriously considered a 125d, given its near GTI like performance. Again, apart from the added speed and auto box (BMW was far slicker than the DSG), the GTD came out on top in every other factor.
Finally, I'm no VW fan boy (although I do love them :laugh:) - I really like the 1 series as its a great drive and I actually like the looks - but the GTD just is the better all rounder, and wins on far more points in our own comparison tests.
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Interesting thoughts. I came from a 1 series (F20) to a GTD, also a company/lease car. I went for the GTD because it was cheaper and came with more kit as standard (you don't want to add extras on these scheme as you pay full whack over the term).
1 month on what do I make of my decision?...
For GTD
- Wife and daughter prefer the GTD as they find it more practical (much better in back).
- lighting, internal and external is far superior.
- more kit as standard.
- cruise control is better.
- prefer the looks.
- much better gearbox (manual).
For Beemer
- much prefer the interface with radio, Bluetooth etc... Really don't like the GTDs touchscreen.
- never had a hint of a rattle or squeak. Have rear suspension noise on GTD and a couple of faint rattles.
- driving position superior.
- rear wheel drive does make a difference to handling.
- flatter cornering.
- MPG!!! Don't care what people can eek out of their GTDs, Beemer a good 10mpg better in real world.
Overall I'm happy with the GTD, should prove to be a good car over the next 2 years. The jury is currently out on quality (reference suspension squeaks), if I end up having to take it to the garage just once then I won't consider VW again in the short term - might sound harsh but didn't have to with the Beemer so the benchmark has been set.
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Not a single warranty visit or the marque is dismissed? That is extremely harsh. If you didn't have a warranty visit for the 1er then you're incredibly lucky. Pretty much every brand new car out there will have a niggle, those without are rare examples, you could probably only bank on a Rolls or a Bentley to be niggle free.
There's 2 huge reasons I wouldn't consider a 120D - looks and residuals. 47% GFV on the 120D vs 56% on the GTD, they're poles apart on running costs, especially on a private purchase. £75 a month more (vanilla spec) before you even look at options on the 1er to get it up to standard spec on the GTD. I judge cars on their long term reliability and can forgive a few build niggles that are ironed out under warranty. My cousin has had nowt but bother from a 330d under warranty, with very poor paintwork that BMW think is acceptable (particulates embedded in the pigment layer) and sticking EGR valve from just 4 months old.
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Correct, my expectations are that I should have no niggles in 24 months/35000 miles of motoring (the term of my company car lease) - for a modern car I think that's perfectly reasonable, particularly given the amount of R&D and associated testing that takes place. As I say, the 1er did it without breaking a sweat.
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Reasonable, but... realistic? :)
Plenty of other BMW 1 owners had niggles, it's a numbers game at the end of the day. VW and BMW are pretty decent in reliability surveys, but neither are the best. Take 100 owners and 20 of them will have more first year issues than the rest.
I just went to the Babybmw F20 1 forum, the first page showed a splattering of problem posts - just like any other car forum I've ever seen!
Good luck to us all :)
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Correct, my expectations are that I should have no niggles in 24 months/35000 miles of motoring (the term of my company car lease) - for a modern car I think that's perfectly reasonable, particularly given the amount of R&D and associated testing that takes place. As I say, the 1er did it without breaking a sweat.
For a modern car I do think that's less than reasonable - there are far more things to potentially go wrong in a modern car than say an 80's MK2 Golf where you had to worry about the trim, a much simpler engine (without swirl flaps, egr valves, catalysts/DPFs, massively high injection pressures, dual mass flywheels, ECUs etc), the wheels and the gearbox. The simplest eletronic glitch these days can leave a car on the roadside. The electronic systems in a modern car have to undergo the kind of punishment you would not subject a laptop/ipod/TV to - vibration, extremes of temperature in service, humidity etc.
Your 1er did alright for you - but plenty of others with the same car will not have been so lucky. A half day visit to the dealership to fix a simple warranty issue is no ruination of a 2 year relationship with the car.
I do think that you're leaving yourself open for a huge disappointment on whatever car you get in the future if you consider even one warranty job in your ownership a fail on the manuufacturer's part.
R&D, road testing and other considerations only go so far to provide a good level of confidence of reliability - statistics come into play with 3-sigma standards etc, especially with failure rates of components that VW/BMW manufacture, and that third party manufacturers are contracted to supply.
If you want rock solid reliability, neither VW nor BMW fit the bill, they are both decidedly mid-table, with VW (20th/20th) beating BMW (25th/26th) in 2012/2013's what car reliability survey http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/introduction/1206676 (http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/introduction/1206676). http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-tops-reliability-survey/1202107 (http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/honda-tops-reliability-survey/1202107)
You'll be buying a Honda Civic or Toyota Auris after one "bad" example of either a 1er or a Golf, and even they're not infallible.
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MH,
Everything you have said is reasonable and I accept the merits of your argument; most of what I have said is based on personal experience. Nonetheless, relationships with cars/brands are built on personal experiences. All the statistics and league tables in the world are of small comfort to the individual sitting at the roadside with the bonnet up.
I apply the same prejudice to other products; have had Samsung TVs for the last 10 years or so and would not really consider anything else on account of my experience with them. That said, if it were to inexplicably die when I'm watching the Monaco GP in a couple of weeks time then I'll go elsewhere (or at least I will be motivated to consider other options). For most products, I have the luxury of being so flippant on account of choice/alternatives that exist in any given market. I would also maintain that such attitudes help drive standards (why would a brand improve if a loyal customer base stuck with them no matter what?).
As you say, the danger is that I miss out on opportunities/experiences or reject a good brand too easily. I really do hope that this is not the case with VW as I am thoroughly enjoying the car. Now, about that rear suspension noise...
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So... prejudiced and fickle...
Do you read the Daily Mail and vote UKIP? :grin:
I try to have an open mind and select products (in general) based on the requirements I have at the time and the budget.
The Golf fitted these (for my company car) and has run faultlessly so far ~8K miles. Mind you, so did the g/f's BMW before she handed it back when she left the company. Would she have another 1er? It would be on the list but so would others...
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I could never adopt a zero tolerance policy like that when it comes to running a car, I’d be extremely lucky to be with the same car marque for more than 2 cars in a row, they almost always have one thing that needs a fix, no matter how minor. On a mass produced item like a car that has over 10,000 components and relies on the human element for a decent proportion of the build, you can’t reasonably expect every single one to be without fault, you just need to consider yourself lucky if you have no warranty issues. I consider myself to be lucky enough to have had 7 VWs from new over 17 years and to not have had a single incapacitating fault on either of them. Funnily enough, my 2 Portuguese built Sciroccos have proven to be the best screwed together VWs I have owned in relation to warranty issues (or lack of). I could go for a Japanese car to pursue greater reliability but I generally don’t like them inside or out, parts and servicing are prohibitively expensive and residuals aren’t as good as you’d expect.
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So... prejudiced and fickle...
Do you read the Daily Mail and vote UKIP? :grin:
I try to have an open mind and select products (in general) based on the requirements I have at the time and the budget.
The Golf fitted these (for my company car) and has run faultlessly so far ~8K miles. Mind you, so did the g/f's BMW before she handed it back when she left the company. Would she have another 1er? It would be on the list but so would others...
I'm glad to hear yours has run faultlessly for 8K miles. Mine makes a noise from the rear suspension and does 20mpg under the book figure after 1K miles. Clearly I have unrealistic expectations, I'll try to remind myself to simply be grateful it gets me to work every day.
As I say, I am still enjoying the car, simply questioning the quality based on previous cars I've had (hence inclusion of my post within this thread). At the moment I'm sceptical, I do hope I'm wrong.
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You can disregard mpg expectations, the inclusion of stop-start bumps up official figures considerably as 24% of the test cycle has the car at a standstill, but does little for the real-life situation. In my 13 mile/ 20 minute commute my car is static at roundabouts and traffic lights etc for around a minute. Euro 6 emissions controls make the car run a little cooler (to cut down NOx emissions) which allows the DPF filling to be an issue for shorter commutes, which hits the mpg hard. If you have a commute in excess of 15 miles each way then it’s unlikely to be an issue.
In real life situations, the mpg is around the same or barely better than that of the previous generation Golf, but the official mpg results put unrealistic expectations on the car and all the car manufacturers are now quoting “for comparison only, quoted figures may not be achieved in real life driving situations” when they talk about them.
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It's now common practice to have to take 20% off the claimed manufacturer mpg figures for any brand. You only use them as a comparison to other brands and shouldn't be taken as that's what you'll get.
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I'm glad to hear yours has run faultlessly for 8K miles. Mine makes a noise from the rear suspension and does 20mpg under the book figure after 1K miles. Clearly I have unrealistic expectations, I'll try to remind myself to simply be grateful it gets me to work every day.
As I say, I am still enjoying the car, simply questioning the quality based on previous cars I've had (hence inclusion of my post within this thread). At the moment I'm sceptical, I do hope I'm wrong.
It is widely known that the officially quoted mpg figures based on the current official tests over state real world consumption by in excess of 20% - mcmaddy's statement is really the starting point. Volkswagen is no worse than any other mainstream manufacturer in this regard. It is the test that is rubbish... and it is due for change.
So, it is a little noisier than it should be and thirstier than you thought... You're lucky you weren't buying cars 25 years ago. Quality was shocking by comparison. Go and look up Lancia Beta, their owners really suffered... that is why we haven't had Lancia the UK market for 20 years...
What car have you come from to justify such high expectations?
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Am aware of the official figures versus real world (have just posted in the other thread), point is you guys are saying 20% difference; I'm saying 20mpg difference is typical of what I'm seeing. My last car was closer to 8-10mpg difference from the book figure.
Of course I can make the computer show a higher number but not driving in a realistic manner. Bottom line, the GTD is more thirsty than expected, even when taking into account the bloated book figure.
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Of course I can make the computer show a higher number but not driving in a realistic manner. Bottom line, the GTD is more thirsty than expected, even when taking into account the bloated book figure.
So perhaps you have an issue... it happens.
What sort of driving? Lots of short journeys? Town driving?
In the end, I don't drive slowly and in general driving since I've had the car I've averaged 46mpg and can easily achieve 50 on a run... if you were expecting much better than that given the performance delivered then I think you're being over optimistic. IME, the GTD delvers better fuel consumption than the BMW 120d M-Sport by about 2mpg on a similar cycle...
If you're desperate for low fuel consumption perhaps you should have bought a BlueMotion?
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No, not especially short journeys. Most common journey (to work) is about 25 miles, mostly dual carriageway/motorway.
Not especially bothered about the mpg - I just expected it to be better. We can go back and forth about whether those expectations are realistic or not, but they are, after all, my expectations.
I wonder whether the length of the ever growing real world mpg thread on this board means that others shares similar expectations?
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I wonder whether the length of the ever growing real world mpg thread on this board means that others shares similar expectations?
It might do. I don't know. I thought it was just people sharing information. I learned the hard way with my 58-plate 123d... thought I'd average over 50mpg, in reality I saw 44-45... Not the car's fault. When you look into the official tests you realise that there is no way the figures they generate are achievable in the real world.
You have summed it up, though, good figures can be achieved, if you drive gently. If you choose not to drive gently then surely you should adjust your expectations... there's always a penalty...
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My GTD has 5400 miles on it now and the mpg's are improving all the time. When i first got the car i couldnt get any more than 34mpg on my daily commute now its up to 40's. i know its slightly warmer outside but not my much so if you persevere you will get better mpgs once the car is run in.