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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: rockmonkey69 on 14 December 2013, 18:43
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Has anyone fitted a ported manifold to a remapped k03s to comment on whether there was any changes to talk of? Got one laying about to be fitted with the hybrid turbo also sitting around, but the while remap has been booked it's some time away so I'm just looking for things to do.
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Matt@OCD is fitting one of his high flow cast manifolds to mine on the 30th of this month, if you still need to know the answer then I'll let you know if there is any noticeable difference :wink:
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Couldn't you pop out there, brave the cold and do it now to save me having to do the same? Also be a chap and run some logs too :tongue:
Kind of curious as to whether it changes the sound of the car, did you also polish the runners on your manifold?
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Couldn't you pop out there, brave the cold and do it now to save me having to do the same? Also be a chap and run some logs too :tongue:
Kind of curious as to whether it changes the sound of the car, did you also polish the runners on your manifold?
The manifold is with Matt so that's a no :grin:
We can run some before and after logs for you though, anything in particular?
Also it's not a standard one that's been ported, it's one of his own high-flow ones that he's testing with the view of selling. I'll grab some pics of it alongside mine though for comparison.
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I noticed a bit more low down grunt when I fitted mine with no remap, no logs though
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Makes a difference.,
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Was it quite a noticeable difference or was it just low down improvement?
I'm kind of put off doing it until I fit the turbo before the remap, I hate doing and undoing fasteners that go through so much heat cycling
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Personally for the effort I reckon I'd wait. I only did mine as I had to take the turbo off anyway
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I had one fitted same time as a dud k04-001 hard to tell if made a difference then.
Still have it with a K03s and is a noticable reduction in lag, spools up freely and is making 250ft-lb before 3000rpm although that's probably down to a combination of parts and spot on remap than manifold alone.
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Seems general consensus is that it doesn't make much difference, I'll leave it until the weekend before my remap and fit it with the hybrid
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A ported standard manifold won't make a huge difference now, it's more about individual cylinder flow than just more internal diameter.
The manifolds we're testing have a great flow from each cylinder that prevents back surge or stalling of the turbine wheel, this is where more gains are seen, it just gives more of a torque feel, you'll see more ft-lb gains than bhp but this is what the 20vT engines really needs as they are very flat standard.
I'd agree though, wait till you're swapping turbo if you are, although the turbo is the worse part, the manifold has to come off to swap the turbo ideally so might as well do it all in one go, not twice :cool:
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A ported standard manifold won't make a huge difference now, it's more about individual cylinder flow than just more internal diameter.
The manifolds we're testing have a great flow from each cylinder that prevents back surge or stalling of the turbine wheel, this is where more gains are seen, it just gives more of a torque feel, you'll see more ft-lb gains than bhp but this is what the 20vT engines really needs as they are very flat standard.
I'd agree though, wait till you're swapping turbo if you are, although the turbo is the worse part, the manifold has to come off to swap the turbo ideally so might as well do it all in one go, not twice :cool:
Matt how much are you thinking about selling the manifolds that your testing?
P.s will they be compatible with beach buggy turbos k300?
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They're going to be around £200-£250, depending on if I feel ceramic coating them will be worthwhile.
I'm not sure on their k300, it certainly works on a k250, is their k300 their k04s version. If so it will do yes.
I'm not getting too involved with their turbos unless people ask us to fit them, I'm not convinced by the quality of them. But time will tell on that one I think.
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The k300 is a k03/s with rs internals. Correct me ifnim wrong. He made it for a straight bolt on so no need to change parts if you have uprated em.
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They're going to be around £200-£250, depending on if I feel ceramic coating them will be worthwhile.
I'm not sure on their k300, it certainly works on a k250, is their k300 their k04s version. If so it will do yes.
I'm not getting too involved with their turbos unless people ask us to fit them, I'm not convinced by the quality of them. But time will tell on that one I think.
anything wrong with the quality of there turbos :undecided:
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They're going to be around £200-£250, depending on if I feel ceramic coating them will be worthwhile.
I'm not sure on their k300, it certainly works on a k250, is their k300 their k04s version. If so it will do yes.
I'm not getting too involved with their turbos unless people ask us to fit them, I'm not convinced by the quality of them. But time will tell on that one I think.
anything wrong with the quality of there turbos :undecided:
What beach buggy turbos? Not that i know off. I think they come with 12 months warrenty aawell. You could check this out with him, through his facebook page.
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They stand by them obviously, but I've fitted 2 for customers in the past couple of months and not been impressed by either.
They're obviously filling a market as a good turbo isn't cheap, I just wouldn't expect much from a £400 turbo, it's like comparing JOM's to KW's, one's mega cheap for a reason :wink:
Edit: just to add, skarki, yes they'll certainly fit their K300 then :cool:
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They stand by them obviously, but I've fitted 2 for customers in the past couple of months and not been impressed by either.
They're obviously filling a market as a good turbo isn't cheap, I just wouldn't expect much from a £400 turbo, it's like comparing JOM's to KW's, one's mega cheap for a reason :wink:
Edit: just to add, skarki, yes they'll certainly fit their K300 then :cool:
You say you fitted 2 turboa for customers in the past. Who were the turbos hybrided by?
Thanks for that info. I might buy one from you.
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Beach buggy, they'd got them from them and brought them to me in the boxes
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They stand by them obviously, but I've fitted 2 for customers in the past couple of months and not been impressed by either.
They're obviously filling a market as a good turbo isn't cheap, I just wouldn't expect much from a £400 turbo, it's like comparing JOM's to KW's, one's mega cheap for a reason :wink:
Edit: just to add, skarki, yes they'll certainly fit their K300 then :cool:
glad I went with a genuine k04 then :smiley:
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Hi.
I'm the owner of beach buggy turbos... I appreciate your comments and would like to hear your opinions if you wish to share. Either on here on privately.
I understand your concern, but I have been producing hybrids now for over 2 years.. We are currently on version 7 of the k03 hybrid, and nothing has been done without full r&d testing with r-tech or badger5.
We have tested hybrids not currently available to the public which make 348bhp on the k03 frame.
The choice of the k300 is to produce a good quality, high performing turbo that is reliable and meets the needs of the customer.. We are not interested in peak figures, as we know over 340bhp is capable but the spread of power.
The turbos I produce are built using proven parts, custom made and developed internals.
No other turbo company has done as much r&d into hybrids as I have done..
Not 1 of the 37 k03 hybrids I have made in the last 2 years has been returned under warranty.
Every one of my customers I deal with personally, and I ensure every customer knows what's needed to get the most out of the turbo..
We spent 8 hours on the dyno today testing a new entry level k04, and previous to that 5 hours doing the same to ensure that it performed as specified.. It was run way beyond its normal operating limit.. And in some cases my hybrids have been tested to destruction to find the limit.. Ie 30pzi flat line boost..
I take nothing lightly, I setup and started the company as I was wholly unimpressed with what was available and wanted a better product, this is something I strive to still today.
Tfsi hybrids on 1.8t running hopefully 400+bhp.
Tfsi stock turbos I built running 372bhp on a 1.8t
Tfsi on tsi engines.
I will sell the k300 as 300hp turbo.. I know how to make it on an engine, stock ported manifold will do it at 1.4bar.. No fancy manifold is needed.. All it will do is make 300bhp at a lower pressure.. If you want more power then the k300 isn't the turbo you need.. K03 turbos are limited by the turbo hot side not the manifold so for my turbos a ported stock is all that is needed..
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Keeping my eye on this one... :nerd:
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Never heard anything bad about a BBT hybrid either! :S
Ported OEM stock will flow enough for the next limiting factor on the k03 framed cars. Bill @ Badger5 can do this for a good price or you can do it yourself.
pointless spending £250 on a 'fancy manifold' when the standard one is up to the job.
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Hi.
I'm the owner of beach buggy turbos... I appreciate your comments and would like to hear your opinions if you wish to share. Either on here on privately.
I understand your concern, but I have been producing hybrids now for over 2 years.. We are currently on version 7 of the k03 hybrid, and nothing has been done without full r&d testing with r-tech or badger5.
We have tested hybrids not currently available to the public which make 348bhp on the k03 frame.
The choice of the k300 is to produce a good quality, high performing turbo that is reliable and meets the needs of the customer.. We are not interested in peak figures, as we know over 340bhp is capable but the spread of power.
The turbos I produce are built using proven parts, custom made and developed internals.
No other turbo company has done as much r&d into hybrids as I have done..
Not 1 of the 37 k03 hybrids I have made in the last 2 years has been returned under warranty.
Every one of my customers I deal with personally, and I ensure every customer knows what's needed to get the most out of the turbo..
We spent 8 hours on the dyno today testing a new entry level k04, and previous to that 5 hours doing the same to ensure that it performed as specified.. It was run way beyond its normal operating limit.. And in some cases my hybrids have been tested to destruction to find the limit.. Ie 30pzi flat line boost..
I take nothing lightly, I setup and started the company as I was wholly unimpressed with what was available and wanted a better product, this is something I strive to still today.
Tfsi hybrids on 1.8t running hopefully 400+bhp.
Tfsi stock turbos I built running 372bhp on a 1.8t
Tfsi on tsi engines.
I will sell the k300 as 300hp turbo.. I know how to make it on an engine, stock ported manifold will do it at 1.4bar.. No fancy manifold is needed.. All it will do is make 300bhp at a lower pressure.. If you want more power then the k300 isn't the turbo you need.. K03 turbos are limited by the turbo hot side not the manifold so for my turbos a ported stock is all that is needed..
Big respect for a person to stand by his custom made parts!!! Its good to know that none of the 37 k03 turbos have been returned.