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General => General discussion => Topic started by: The Mighty Elvi on 05 December 2013, 10:05
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Think how many trees will be saved. :smiley:
Abolished by Oct 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25223631
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Direct debit with a charge and no option for 6 months? What happens if you sell/write off the vehicle?
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I know they can check cars but surely this makes it harder to spot non road tax payers?
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It is sneaky as every year when it increases it won't look much with a pound or two added each month.
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It is sneaky as every year when it increases it won't look much with a pound or two added each month.
You can still pay annually, It will cost 5% more if you pay monthly. However for those that SORN their car over the winter, it might be just a case of stopping the Direct Debit.
It's Richbrook that I feel sorry for.
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Spy in sky ANPR cameras will be everywhere then!
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someone commented on bbc page and I agree with them
"Why do we have a complex vehicle tax system anyway? If all tax was on the price of fuel it would automatically factor in engine size, transmission efficiency, miles driven, style of driving etc and would need no cameras or expensive admin to enforce payment – no fuel, no go."
Makes sense more you drive more you pay
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It's Richbrook that I feel sorry for.
Haha :grin:
Some people....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dvla-reveals-the-top-10-excuses-for-not-buying-a-tax-disc
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Also going to be harder for those who buy a used car to know how much rent is on the car. Unless theres going to be a online checker to check the expiry of the tax then the idea is flawed, even more so for those who dont have access to a computer etc.
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^ there already is all of that:
https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/app/enquiry?execution=e1s1
or you could call them.
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Would make my life easier paying for it monthly, I always forget to save up some cash to buy it lol
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So what happens if I steal a number plate that's taxed?
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you will get done for theft.
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So what happens if I steal a number plate that's taxed?
No no guys, he makes makes an extremely good point here...
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So what happens if I steal a number plate that's taxed?
What happens now if you steal a numberplate that's taxed?
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So what happens if I steal a number plate that's taxed?
What happens now if you steal a numberplate that's taxed?
A marker gets put on the police database and the ANPR systems that shows said plate is stolen. If your the victim or offender be prepared to get stopped by the police.
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One piece of crap less stuck to the motor I guess, shame it's not the number plates.
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So what happens if I steal a number plate that's taxed?
What happens now if you steal a numberplate that's taxed?
A marker gets put on the police database and the ANPR systems that shows said plate is stolen. If your the victim or offender be prepared to get stopped by the police.
Right.
So what difference does it make?
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Would make my life easier paying for it monthly, I always forget to save up some cash to buy it lol
Same here! 6months goes quick!
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What happens when banks system goes down
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End of the world stuff? ↑↑↑
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So what happens if I steal a number plate that's taxed?
What happens now if you steal a numberplate that's taxed?
A marker gets put on the police database and the ANPR systems that shows said plate is stolen. If your the victim or offender be prepared to get stopped by the police.
Right.
So what difference does it make?
If some numb nuts steals my number plate and puts it on the same type of vehicle to avoid paying tax then I'll show my arse in Burtons window.
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No stealie cloney I would said yoda, same colour and year and all that.
I could buy two cars identical and as along as I drive just one at a time I could in theory just pay one road tax said Moriarty :nerd:
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No stealie cloney I would said yoda, same colour and year and all that.
I could buy two cars identical and as along as I drive just one at a time I could in theory just pay one road tax said Moriarty :nerd:
How does it differ? Just photocopy the tax disc.
Mine runs out end of the month, hasn't even been in the car I don't think, I lost it ages ago.
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No stealie cloney I would said yoda, same colour and year and all that.
I could buy two cars identical and as along as I drive just one at a time I could in theory just pay one road tax said Moriarty :nerd:
You could but it would be a bit pointless. Hmmmmm, which car shall I take today? The red Golf, or the red Golf?
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No stealie cloney I would said yoda, same colour and year and all that.
I could buy two cars identical and as along as I drive just one at a time I could in theory just pay one road tax said Moriarty :nerd:
How does it differ? Just photocopy the tax disc.
Mine runs out end of the month, hasn't even been in the car I don't think, I lost it ages ago.
How does this differ? A cloned reg will not show up as a stolen plate nor theft so less likely going to be stopped? With the tax disc a copper can check against the disc with reg, but now its sole reliance is upon a computer and information supplied by owner and reports a reg has been stolen?
What happens if your reg gets scanned it will show non paying of road tax? This is about how they will deal with loop holes in the system not if you just photocopy a tax disc the computer will just say no non?
That was an extreme example of buying two cars, but I can go to any petrol station get free fuel and police ANPR systems could charge the real owner for the crime of me filling up and walking away, until I find another reg I could clone?
Unless the police can identify individual Reg's as legit I can see this being a major issue as any motor factors can make you a plate anytime, hell I know people who can make them without any form of asking ID's like V5's
It begs a question will new number plates be introduced and can only be only purchased from DVLA directly with smart tags on them?
This leads down the rabbit hole of how A) to implement B) how much will it cost US?
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Interesting points on the cloning etc. All leads back to that original comment on the BBC website - why not just lump it all on fuel and be done with it. So much simpler, so much cheaper; levies on fuel don't win you any votes though do they :rolleyes:
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Interesting points on the cloning etc. All leads back to that original comment on the BBC website - why not just lump it all on fuel and be done with it. So much simpler, so much cheaper; levies on fuel don't win you any votes though do they :rolleyes:
I think now with cars getting a lot greener with some £0 or £30ish road tax it wouldn't be but people with older cars paying £250ish or people with high CO2 emissions paying £450ish the thought of fuel going up by say 5p or 10p a litre and save a big lump sum I think people would go for it... I know I would
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I agree to some respects in relation to cloning of the plates, but it's no different than someone cloning a plate to avoid paying insurance on their car. Cases of this happening are extremely few and far between. There's always methods that scumbags use to commit fraud. I don't agree that tax should be incorporated in fuel prices but if this did happen, mark my words, fuel theft would go through the roof hence the reason I doubt the government would go for this option. In relation to the electronic tax system being proposed it's a vast improvement on the current system.
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I don't agree that tax should be incorporated in fuel prices but if this did happen, mark my words, fuel theft would go through the roof hence the reason I doubt the government would go for this option.
Why would fuel theft rise? The people who currently tax insure their cars prob wouldn't steal fuel, the people who don't tax or insure are the people who are more likely to steal in the 1st place, so adding a few pence on for road tax isn't gonna change the amount of people will to steal fuel. just my opinion
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Photocopy a tax disc. I.e if the vehicle with the original plate has tax so it will seem this car has.
I don't think it will make cloning any easier whatsoever. Any suspicion and they check VIN numbers anyway or at least the last three in my experience.
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Remember, we all know its tax but its based on emissions now. These green freaks will go through the roof if they decide to put more on fuel instead. Those that have bought a low emission car for they're daily grind won't be too happy about it. The fact that the low emission cars are generally the most fuel efficient will pass them by, but there will always be an argument against it. The little scrotes in government won't want an argument with the general public, especially this close to election time.
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Photocopy a tax disc. I.e if the vehicle with the original plate has tax so it will seem this car has.
I don't think it will make cloning any easier whatsoever. Any suspicion and they check VIN numbers anyway or at least the last three in my experience.
I think the problem here is this........
At this present time, if your stopped by police for a regular stop the most common thing they do is walk to your windscreen and check your tax disc, in all honesty a photocopied one will be spotted a mile off.
As I am thinking is with the tax discs going and it all being based on a "database" In essence I could do the following.... (Not that I would)
* Look for a reflex silver mk4 golf, Not that hard to find one.
* Find one about the same age I.E reg.
* Try and make sure the owner looks to be a professional I.E not likely to NOT be legal and a guy to match me.
* Go to ebay and order his/her number plate.
* Put them on my car.
By doing this, I would never have to ever Tax my car, MOT my car or insure my car all I would have to do is fuel it and hope the owner never spots my car and think "hang on that's my reg" and hope I never get pulled by the police which in all fairness in the 5 years I have been driving I haven't yet been pulled nor given any reason to be pulled.
At least with the paper tax disc in my screen atm they are unique.
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why not add this in with the mot
so when you have a mot the tax for the year is automatically paid too simple really
garage pays a fixed price to goverment and all mots are fixed at one price it would be far simpler
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why not add this in with the mot
so when you have a mot the tax for the year is automatically paid too simple really
garage pays a fixed price to government and all mots are fixed at one price it would be far simpler
It would, but not all cars are bought at the same time, plus not registered at the same time either.
So you would have a short fall, because I MOT and TAX my car at different times to spread the cost of motoring plus insurance is done another also to help spread costs!
I'm still shocked people are not seeing the true cost of this old tradition of tax disc going, trust me in a few years we will only be able to buy registration plates from DVLA with smart recognition identifiers and they wont be cheap either! Plus you are thinking well I will just buy a secondhand car already with a smart plate? Well I can see DVLA charging amendments to smart tags to reflect new owners and addresses and picture ID's linked with our driving licenses! they have changed the V5 already and MOT is just a printable bit of paper which is useless as I only use it for TAX discs purposes?