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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mullermn on 27 November 2013, 09:27
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Hi guys,
This is a bit of a weird question, especially since my GTI has now arrived and I'm driving around with it :grin: but how much difference should there be between the different DCC modes?
I think I can feel a difference between sport and comfort, but TBH I'm probably trying to feel one, if that makes sense. My girlfriend seems to be more skeptical.
All the talk of transport blocks being left in etc has made me a bit paranoid that perhaps there's something wrong. The combination of dark nights and a fairly small driveway has meant I haven't had chance to jack the car up and have a proper look yet and TBH I've no background in tinkering with cars so I might not know what I'm looking for anyway..
Any advice would be very useful, thanks!
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Get it back to the dealers toot sweet!! It's not down to you to jack it up and remove them if they're still in, some guys have but they're handy with the axle stands so no big deal for them, there is a very noticable difference between sport and comfort under normal conditions mate so could be something wrong. :undecided:
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I'm really struggling to notice a difference as well! I thought it was just me!
Stupid question but where are these likely to be 'located' on the car? Will have a good look later.
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The difference is massive between comfort and sport.
Drive on a bumpy road and you will see.
The wife gets car sick and I take it off sport and onto comfort. Much more pleasant!
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I'm really struggling to notice a difference as well! I thought it was just me!
Stupid question but where are these likely to be 'located' on the car? Will have a good look later.
They're on the shock absorber shaft, there is three of them each side (front only) when it's delivered to stop it bouncing on the transporter, but sometimes the dealerships miss a couple on PDI.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=259329.110
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Hmm - just had a good look and can't see anything. Would they be further up the shaft? I.e. only viewable when the car is on ramps/you are under it?
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Hmm - just had a good look and can't see anything. Would they be further up the shaft? I.e. only viewable when the car is on ramps/you are under it?
I was paranoid about these pucks, jacked the car up on to axle stands and shoved a borescope up the gaiter until I could see the white bump stop cones and then took a snap shot for the record!
I suppose you might have been able to see them by lifting up the gaiter but you definately need the car jacked up, I posted the pics at one time on here but can't remember where.
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I think I can feel a difference between sport and comfort, but TBH I'm probably trying to feel one, if that makes sense. My girlfriend seems to be more skeptical.
There is a massive difference, especially when you give it some down a B road. Also, on my way to work I go over 8 speed bumps all in a row....switching between comfort and sport and you can feel the suspension travel / compression / re-bound rates change. :smiley:
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Now I'm preparing myself for a stoning here but I can't tell the difference between any setting! Normal, Sport, Eco.
If someone put the suspension on sport and told me it was on comfort if have no idea.
The cars been up on the ramps for a wheel alignment and I'm sure they would have noticed if there were some transport pucks left in.
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Now I'm preparing myself for a stoning here but I can't tell the difference between any setting! Normal, Sport, Eco.
If someone put the suspension on sport and told me it was on comfort if have no idea.
The cars been up on the ramps for a wheel alignment and I'm sure they would have noticed if there were some transport pucks left in.
Do you have DCC? The reason i ask is you didn't mention Comfort?
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Now I'm preparing myself for a stoning here but I can't tell the difference between any setting! Normal, Sport, Eco.
If someone put the suspension on sport and told me it was on comfort if have no idea.
The cars been up on the ramps for a wheel alignment and I'm sure they would have noticed if there were some transport pucks left in.
I'm sure he did, but maybe not in the first sentence :) - good point though.
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Now I'm preparing myself for a stoning here but I can't tell the difference between any setting! Normal, Sport, Eco.
If someone put the suspension on sport and told me it was on comfort if have no idea.
The cars been up on the ramps for a wheel alignment and I'm sure they would have noticed if there were some transport pucks left in.
I'm sure he did, but maybe not in the first sentence :) - good point though.
He did indeed! ;D :embarrassed:
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Yes I do have DCC. I'll test it more next time I go over a speed bump. I'm sure it's just a placebo effect.
It's like Top Gear drove the GTI around the track in normal and sport and got the same lap times to the millisecond and Comfort which was actually 0.1 of a second quicker. So this in it self shows that the different settings do nothing at all to affect performance. So I'm assuming they do nothing in the feel of the ride either. But I don't have particularly bumpy roads around here.
So far, over 1100 miles. Would I spec it again? For £800? No.
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without having a similar car, hard to agree or disagree, but from what i read on here. that does not sound right at all, and sounds similar to posts with problems.
Back to Mr Jimble's point, best get it checked out asap!
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without having a similar car, hard to agree or disagree, but from what i read on here. that does not sound right at all, and sounds similar to posts with problems.
Back to Mr Jimble's point, best get it checked out asap!
It wouldn't surprise me. It's going back into the dealers as soon as they stop ignoring my phone calls. The car is excellent but the 26 average MPG & squeaky front suspension doesn't fill me with confidence that everything's fine. Oh and the front camber setting is out on one side.
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doesnt sound right at all! more importantly the missed calls!
Good luck. and i hope they inspect it properly. Be clear that you are unhappy and list the points ( i know you will, but always best to check) so when you return, go on a few mile trip - with them if possible) otherwise, return back to discuss, never just drive away.
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doesnt sound right at all! more importantly the missed calls!
Good luck. and i hope they inspect it properly. Be clear that you are unhappy and list the points ( i know you will, but always best to check) so when you return, go on a few mile trip - with them if possible) otherwise, return back to discuss, never just drive away.
And go in the rain, then ask for a VW motorsport brolly for your troubles! :grin:
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Yes I do have DCC. I'll test it more next time I go over a speed bump. I'm sure it's just a placebo effect.
It's like Top Gear drove the GTI around the track in normal and sport and got the same lap times to the millisecond and Comfort which was actually 0.1 of a second quicker. So this in it self shows that the different settings do nothing at all to affect performance. So I'm assuming they do nothing in the feel of the ride either. But I don't have particularly bumpy roads around here.
So far, over 1100 miles. Would I spec it again? For £800? No.
Tbf, VW don't advertise DCC as making a difference to the performance figures, and i didn't feel mine went any quicker just felt a bit more urgent in sport, the suspension on the other hand was very noticable imo, so much so that if i went over one of the large table top sleeping policemen and changed it whilst on top, you could instantly feel the difference, ie comfort going up and sport coming down. :cool:
I've specced it on the R as well cos i've gone for 19's :smug:
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Yes I do have DCC. I'll test it more next time I go over a speed bump. I'm sure it's just a placebo effect.
It's like Top Gear drove the GTI around the track in normal and sport and got the same lap times to the millisecond and Comfort which was actually 0.1 of a second quicker. So this in it self shows that the different settings do nothing at all to affect performance. So I'm assuming they do nothing in the feel of the ride either. But I don't have particularly bumpy roads around here.
So far, over 1100 miles. Would I spec it again? For £800? No.
Tbf, VW don't advertise DCC as making a difference to the performance figures, and i didn't feel mine went any quicker just felt a bit more urgent in sport, the suspension on the other hand was very noticable imo, so much so that if i went over one of the large table top sleeping policemen and changed it whilst on top, you could instantly feel the difference, ie comfort going up and sport coming down. :cool:
I've specced it on the R as well cos i've gone for 19's :smug:
This is the sort of feedback that I was hoping for, thanks.. there is a small difference for me but nothing like what you're describing so there must be something wrong.
I had a quick look at the front suspension (without jacking the car up) and I can't see or feel any evidence of transport pucks, but I guess that's not the only thing that could be causing an issue.
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So this in it self shows that the different settings do nothing at all to affect performance. So I'm assuming they do nothing in the feel of the ride either.
That's a hell of an assumption.
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It wouldn't surprise me. It's going back into the dealers as soon as they stop ignoring my phone calls. The car is excellent but the 26 average MPG & squeaky front suspension doesn't fill me with confidence that everything's fine. Oh and the front camber setting is out on one side.
26mpg? I get that (or better) from my 911 in general driving.
As for the front camber setting... is that causing you any issues? Last I heard you were saying the car felt fine..?
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I had a quick look at the front suspension (without jacking the car up) and I can't see or feel any evidence of transport pucks, but I guess that's not the only thing that could be causing an issue.
The salesman told me the suspension works by magnetising particles in the shock absorbers, perhaps there is an electrical fault there?
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I had a quick look at the front suspension (without jacking the car up) and I can't see or feel any evidence of transport pucks, but I guess that's not the only thing that could be causing an issue.
The salesman told me the suspension works by magnetising particles in the shock absorbers, perhaps there is an electrical fault there?
I think you are describing Audi’s magnetic ride system. Liquid in the shocks can be induced with magnetic fields to be more or less viscous and affect the damping. VWs ACC/DCC system works on hydraulically controlled dampers that shorten or lengthen their length of travel.
Unless ACC/DCC MK2 has ditched the hydraulic system that was seen in the MK1 system (as seen on the Scirocco as standard) and adopted Audi’s magnetic ride
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Yeah i think the VW version is hydraulic, the main difference between the first and second version is that it can now control individual corners rather than across an axle.
Could still be electrical though, the valves are electronically controlled.
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I think you are describing Audi’s magnetic ride system. Liquid in the shocks can be induced with magnetic fields to be more or less viscous and affect the damping. VWs ACC/DCC system works on hydraulically controlled dampers that shorten or lengthen their length of travel.
Unless ACC/DCC MK2 has ditched the hydraulic system that was seen in the MK1 system (as seen on the Scirocco as standard) and adopted Audi’s magnetic ride
I believe that the VW system does not seek to directly increase or reduce the suspension travel but you are right in saying that it does adjust the damping.
As I understand it the springs are essentially the same as on a non-DCC car so the eletro-hydraulic dampers adjust the compression and rebound only. This system achieves similar results to the magnetic system in the Audi but, I suspect that the VW system offers greater variance and control...
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i never thought i'd spec DCC after having it on the Rocco, weekend of it on a MK7 GTI and box was ticked for the R, for me the fact you can now have the opportunity to have a custom setting for how you want the car is a big factor, not everyone want's lighter steering and a softer ride
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Not sure why the VAG group, who share everything, would develop 2 completely different systems that do the same thing. I think they probably do the task in hand similarly well and for a similar cost otherwise VAG would have binned one of the systems by now.
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Not sure why the VAG group, who share everything, would develop 2 completely different systems that do the same thing. I think they probably do the task in hand similarly well and for a similar cost otherwise VAG would have binned one of the systems by now.
Or it may be - like "quattro" - that two systems make sense haldex and permanent... both do effectively the same job the costs differ... and they've both been around for years.
I suspect that VAG believes that each has its place in certain segments of the market... hence two systems...
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Not sure why the VAG group, who share everything, would develop 2 completely different systems that do the same thing. I think they probably do the task in hand similarly well and for a similar cost otherwise VAG would have binned one of the systems by now.
Exactly. It's as on the Audis. Shock absorbers are filled with fluid which has metallic particles in it. There are two magnets (in the gen2 system). When electrical current is applied, they tend to attract the metallic particles in their place, reducing the diameter of the tube and thus the fluid which goes through them. The clever bit is that it's infinitely variable according to the voltage applied to the magnets.
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It wouldn't surprise me. It's going back into the dealers as soon as they stop ignoring my phone calls. The car is excellent but the 26 average MPG & squeaky front suspension doesn't fill me with confidence that everything's fine. Oh and the front camber setting is out on one side.
26mpg? I get that (or better) from my 911 in general driving.
As for the front camber setting... is that causing you any issues? Last I heard you were saying the car felt fine..?
Tell me about it. I managed 25mpg on the way home from work today in Eco mode? lol. Tell me this isn't normal. I've worked out that I've used around 4 tanks of fuel over 1100 miles, so I'm not even getting 300 miles out of a full tank. It's costing me an arm and a leg to run.
The car does drive fine, I was just ranting about it and might aswell get the dealer to look at that while they're at it.
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MrSavage: Eco is not economical. Most people (GTI and GTD) get better mpg in sports mode. In eco, the throttle response is blunted so much, you just end up putting your foot down further.
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The VW DCC/ACC uses electrical solenoids to change an oriface that the oil in the shock has to move through. The smaller the hole the stiffer the dampers ie sport mode.
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What is the best way to test/feel the difference with the DCC?
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What is the best way to test/feel the difference with the DCC?
For suspension travel it's got to be speed bumps.
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But changing the damping does not change the travel, it means that you need a greater load to effect the same compression but the maximum travel remains unaffected...
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Yes I do have DCC. I'll test it more next time I go over a speed bump. I'm sure it's just a placebo effect.
It's like Top Gear drove the GTI around the track in normal and sport and got the same lap times to the millisecond and Comfort which was actually 0.1 of a second quicker. So this in it self shows that the different settings do nothing at all to affect performance. So I'm assuming they do nothing in the feel of the ride either. But I don't have particularly bumpy roads around here.
So far, over 1100 miles. Would I spec it again? For £800? No.
That is very interesting. I changed from a Mk5 1.9 TDI to a Mk6 GTD. On the very bumpy B roads I drive to work I found the GTD too firm to drive at 60mph. Even with the suspension set to comfort and 16 inch winter tyres.
Back on topic - I sometimes switch to sport mode on good roads. If I drive to work I soon notice the difference and switch back to comfort. The car is very... hmm... jiggly on a bad road in sport.
Just try driving over cats eyes in the different settings. Though this is still much more comfortable in my old TDI which my wife now has.
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The effect you are describing is secondary ride - high frequency, low amplitude
A speed hump, on the other hand, would give an indication of primary ride
This explains it in a few words: http://support.prosig.com/2012/08/15/what-is-primary-and-secondary-ride/ (http://support.prosig.com/2012/08/15/what-is-primary-and-secondary-ride/)
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The effect you are describing is secondary ride - high frequency, low amplitude
A speed hump, on the other hand, would give an indication of primary ride
This explains it in a few words: http://support.prosig.com/2012/08/15/what-is-primary-and-secondary-ride/ (http://support.prosig.com/2012/08/15/what-is-primary-and-secondary-ride/)
There are speed bumps on the way to work. In the TDI, I was able to go over them comfortably at 30mph. My GTD will not comfortably go over them at 30mph. Even with comfort mode and 16 inch winter tyres.
So my experience is that my Mk6 GTD has poor primary and secondary ride compared to standard suspension and alloys.
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Our Volvo has their DCC equivalent, but it is controlled with three separate buttons (Comfort/Sport/Advanced) in the console so you can shift quickly between modes on the fly with one touch and no menus - for upcoming speed bumps etc. I think VW missed a trick here on the Golf.
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Hi All,
Just had the car back into VW (250 miles covered) to check to see if any of the 'transport blocks' are still in place following reports on the forum. I really can't notice ANY different between sport/normal/comfort and have the DCC option spec'ed.
They got under the car, lifted up the bottom of the suspension gator on each side and couldn't see anything. The dealer mentioned that 'you'll only notice it round a track or at high speeds round corners', I'm not sure of that based on other peoples comments on this forum.
I argued the points about there being 3 sets in each but they were adamant they weren't in.
Couple of questions:-
1) They only lifted up the 'bottom' of the suspension gator, will there be a set higher up that they may not have seen?
2) Does anyone have any picture of these blocks in their cars before being taken out, or at least a diagram or something showing where they might be?
They may genuinely not be in there, but after spending the best part of £1000 on this option, I'm sure that I should notice some difference even at low speeds!
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They can be present right up the top of the shock piston, well up in the rubber bellows.
Jack the car up yourself so that the gap between wheel arch and top of the wheel is accessible and give the rubber bellows a squeeze or pull them up and feel around. If there’s nothing there all you will feel is the conical bump stop rather than the pucks which are a plastic disc about an inch thick, they will slide up and down the shock piston, so you can slide them out and discard.
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They can be present right up the top of the shock piston, well up in the rubber bellows.
Jack the car up yourself so that the gap between wheel arch and top of the wheel is accessible and give the rubber bellows a squeeze or pull them up and feel around. If there’s nothing there all you will feel is the conical bump stop rather than the pucks which are a plastic disc about an inch thick, they will slide up and down the shock piston, so you can slide them out and discard.
Thanks Monkey - appreciate that. The dealer only pulled up the 'bottom' of the gaitor from what I can see. But there is potentially some further up from what you are saying?
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Thanks Monkey - appreciate that. The dealer only pulled up the 'bottom' of the gaitor from what I can see. But there is potentially some further up from what you are saying?
Yes, potentially they could be 2/3 up the gaiter. Mine (blue ones)were well up there as the cutout had a tight enough grip on the shock piston arm not to drop down. I believe Norbreck’s pink pucks were a looser fit and so sat at the bottom of the shock piston arm.
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Hi All,
Just had the car back into VW (250 miles covered) to check to see if any of the 'transport blocks' are still in place following reports on the forum. I really can't notice ANY different between sport/normal/comfort and have the DCC option spec'ed.
They got under the car, lifted up the bottom of the suspension gator on each side and couldn't see anything. The dealer mentioned that 'you'll only notice it round a track or at high speeds round corners', I'm not sure of that based on other peoples comments on this forum.
I argued the points about there being 3 sets in each but they were adamant they weren't in.
Couple of questions:-
1) They only lifted up the 'bottom' of the suspension gator, will there be a set higher up that they may not have seen?
2) Does anyone have any picture of these blocks in their cars before being taken out, or at least a diagram or something showing where they might be?
They may genuinely not be in there, but after spending the best part of £1000 on this option, I'm sure that I should notice some difference even at low speeds!
I do not understand why it should be so difficult for the dealer to pin point where the transport blocks are? I am sure VW gave them some guidelines?
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Thanks - back into the dealer tomorrow. Given them all this information!
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VW don't learn then.
They did this when I picked up a Passat in 2001. The car was awful to drive and it was a local (non-supplying) dealer that found they had left the transport pucks in.
Mine was a company vehicle, I remember the lease company went scatty at the supplying dealer at the time.
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But changing the damping does not change the travel, it means that you need a greater load to effect the same compression but the maximum travel remains unaffected...
It does not change the actual travel, but it does not make all the available travel because the magnets won't allow all the fluid to pass through the other side of the tube. So you get a feeling of softish springs with stiffer and less travel dumpers (but in a more refined style, as it's set by the factory and not by a grease-monkey -no offence there, I hope you understand what I'm saying, my English isn't very good-)
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Car back to VW again tomorrow to check the transport blocks 'higher up'.
I'm really hoping they find something as I'm not happy paying the best part of £1000 for an option (DCC) for which I can not notice any difference.
I am right in saying that I should be able to notice the difference between say comfort and sport at lower speeds (Sub 30mph) going down bumpy / bad roads etc?
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Chief: You should definitely see a difference between comfort and sport going 30mph down a bumpy road.
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you should feel the difference at any speed on any road. it's an instant change. I'm suffering with a bad back at the moment and I can tell the difference on any surface at any speed.
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Thanks Both - I keep telling the dealer that, but apparently I should only feel it 'going round a track or at high speed'. I keep arguing that point stating comments from this forum!! :-) Other owners know best!!
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Hi new forum member here....
I feel the same with my car at the moment (GTI), I cant really feel any difference between the DCC modes. I thought I maybe felt a slight difference if I switched between sport and comfort mode on a bumpy stretch of road yesterday, but it could just be like the other chap said - im trying to feel the difference. I will have a look for the elusive transport pucks at the weekend, but if there aren't any left in I think ill be a bit mift at the cost of this option, as it doesn't seem to do anything for me.
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Just back from dealer (again), definitely no transport blocks in there. He showed me, looked right up to the bump stop and all around - nothing there!
It's obviously just me, but really can't feel any different in the DCC modes. He did say that 'sometimes' DCC can not work if the wheels are mis-aligned, but they wouldn't recommenced checking that until 2500 miles+ due to things settling down etc.
He also said that over time (car has only done 250 miles so far), I'll likely feel an important in the different modes as things start to settle down/soften etc. Everything is obviously brand new at the moment.
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Chief your dealer is talking bo44ocks. DCC on mine has worked since day 1 with 1 mile on.
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He did say that 'sometimes' DCC can not work if the wheels are mis-aligned, but they wouldn't recommenced checking that until 2500 miles+ due to things settling down etc.
How does DCC know if the wheels are mis-aligned or not? He's bullsh!tting you
He also said that over time (car has only done 250 miles so far), I'll likely feel an important in the different modes as things start to settle down/soften etc. Everything is obviously brand new at the moment.
Did he really? Did he also offer to sell you some snake oil :grin:
I've not driven a Golf with DCC. My Jag S-Type R had CATS, a similar system (but fully automatic) you could certainly feel the difference in that between the softest setting and the maximum...
So, there are only two options it seems. Either the system is not working (at all or properly) or it is and you are not able to feel the differences between the modes...
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DCC is certainly noticeable. I tried in on my test drive (but I have experienced this on other cars) and it was most impressive how Comfort smoothed things out. My current car certainly has a system that works.
I think yours may well not be working - probably an electrical issue. Ask the dealer to take you out in another car which has it to compare the experience.
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Thanks all - no errors about the DCC on the display and definitely no transport blocks.
I've gone back to the dealer (again) with an email....
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Hi Chief1337
I think I may have to do the same as you as I cant feel any noticeable difference with comfort mode. Im a bit disappointed to be honest, at the moment DCC feels like a big waste of money.
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Hi Chief1337
I think I may have to do the same as you as I cant feel any noticeable difference with comfort mode. Im a bit disappointed to be honest, at the moment DCC feels like a big waste of money.
Yip - exactly the same, I guess you've checked that the transport blocks etc are all removed?
Starting to think mine is faulty, no warnings or anything but they must be able to do some kind of diagnosis.
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Yes I do have DCC. I'll test it more next time I go over a speed bump. I'm sure it's just a placebo effect.
It's like Top Gear drove the GTI around the track in normal and sport and got the same lap times to the millisecond and Comfort which was actually 0.1 of a second quicker. So this in it self shows that the different settings do nothing at all to affect performance. So I'm assuming they do nothing in the feel of the ride either. But I don't have particularly bumpy roads around here.
So far, over 1100 miles. Would I spec it again? For £800? No.
Chech this video at 2.11
http://youtu.be/a7XNYFnI-eI
When you set the dcc to comfort mode it will switch to sport mode when necessary. So top gear test for the comfort mode is not a good way to test it in my opinion.
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Hi Chief1337
I think I may have to do the same as you as I cant feel any noticeable difference with comfort mode. Im a bit disappointed to be honest, at the moment DCC feels like a big waste of money.
Yip - exactly the same, I guess you've checked that the transport blocks etc are all removed?
Starting to think mine is faulty, no warnings or anything but they must be able to do some kind of diagnosis.
Not checked my transport blocks yet, will do at the weekend. I don't know if I want to find any in there or not - if there in ill be annoyed with the dealer for not removing them at the pdi, but my DCC may then work ok, but if they aren't in then either my DCC is not working correctly, or it is and I just cant feel it do anything.
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Hi Chief1337
I think I may have to do the same as you as I cant feel any noticeable difference with comfort mode. Im a bit disappointed to be honest, at the moment DCC feels like a big waste of money.
Yip - exactly the same, I guess you've checked that the transport blocks etc are all removed?
Starting to think mine is faulty, no warnings or anything but they must be able to do some kind of diagnosis.
Not checked my transport blocks yet, will do at the weekend. I don't know if I want to find any in there or not - if there in ill be annoyed with the dealer for not removing them at the pdi, but my DCC may then work ok, but if they aren't in then either my DCC is not working correctly, or it is and I just cant feel it do anything.
Fair - keep us posted as keen to know who else really 'can't' feel the difference even after transport blocks confirmed not to be there etc.
Suspecting there may be an underlying fault with the DCC so have asked the dealer if they can do a full diagnostic. Also starting to think, how do you check that the right 'DCC' hardware has been fitted to the car?! The software option may be available on the NAV unit, but that doesn't mean a thing!
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I have to say that the DCC is one of the best bits I like about my GTI. The ride in Comfort is sooo smooth and I use it whenever I am not 'motoring'. Normal is brilliant for the back roads and general use. Sport is great but only use it on smooth good roads which there aren't too many of and makes the car feel like an Audi Sportback model. Its almost like I've got three cars in one!!! :smiley:
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I would have thought if DCC was working correctly, you should be able to "feel" it by simply pressing/pushing down on the front wing. Comfort mode should have more travel under less effort than Sport mode.
Perhaps someone with a DCC that they think is working correctly could confirm this ?
That is assuming the system is active when stationary,,,,
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Fair - keep us posted as keen to know who else really 'can't' feel the difference even after transport blocks confirmed not to be there etc.
Suspecting there may be an underlying fault with the DCC so have asked the dealer if they can do a full diagnostic. Also starting to think, how do you check that the right 'DCC' hardware has been fitted to the car?! The software option may be available on the NAV unit, but that doesn't mean a thing!
As far as I remember each shock has a round solenoid on it, that would confirm that it is fitted.
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Hmm. Now I'm confused again - my car is in with VW today to get the reversing camera fitted and the car they've given me as a courtesy car is a Sirocco with DCC (or atleast it has a button with sport, comfort and normal modes on it - I don't know much about that model).
I had a quick try with that on the way home and I can't really tell that much difference with this one, either. Is this the same system that would be on the GTI?
Wondering if it's just that my expectations are unrealistic now..
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I'm pleased it's not just me who can not notice the difference!!!!
Just had this back from the dealer:-
"my master technician has contacted our technical department at Volkswagen. With regards to your adaptive suspension there will only be a minimal change felt by the driver under normal driving conditions as the suspension is already rigid due to the GTI model. Some drivers may not notice any difference at all in normal driving conditions. When sport is selected the already rigid suspension is changed to an even more sportier set up for track/ aggressive driving to give better handling.
The system is working because its controlled via an ecu which would pick up on any faults ie if the system was not functioning correctly or functioning at all. In this instance a warning light would appear on the dash until any faults rectified. So the adaptive suspension is working correctly."
Not overly happy on spend £1000 on an option that I really can't notice....
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I suppose it depends on how bad your roads are where you live. I can tell instantly on my gtd when I change modes but if your trying it out on a smooth road you probably won't notice much. comfort mode absorbs large pot holes and crappy road surface really well.
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Just because you can't notice a difference doesn't mean its not working.
Most if not all reviews say the system is good and worth the money.
I guess it comes down to your driving style and daily commute.
Get yourself to a track and compare eco/comfort vs sport whilst taking a corner at high speeds, you'll notice the difference then :cool:
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Maybe!
That probably means they should relable 'sport' 'normal' and 'comfort' to 'sport' 'nearly sport' and 'rubbish sport' though, since the last one is not a setting that's actually comfortable but also (evidently) not good for track driving.
Oh well, can't win them all. Bit disappointing given how good everything else on the GTI is though.
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Maybe!
That probably means they should relable 'sport' 'normal' and 'comfort' to 'sport' 'nearly sport' and 'rubbish sport' though, since the last one is not a setting that's actually comfortable but also (evidently) not good for track driving.
Oh well, can't win them all. Bit disappointing given how good everything else on the GTI is though.
It would be interesting to know if the DDC has sensitivity adjustments... perhaps its just configured wrong? Many others including top reviewers have said its a good system and that you can notice the difference.
So perhaps there is a tweak to up the sensitivity of DDC, for example how quick the dampers react to the road-surface.
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Maybe!
That probably means they should relable 'sport' 'normal' and 'comfort' to 'sport' 'nearly sport' and 'rubbish sport' though, since the last one is not a setting that's actually comfortable but also (evidently) not good for track driving.
Oh well, can't win them all. Bit disappointing given how good everything else on the GTI is though.
If it is working properly and you can't feel it that's hardly the fault of the system is it? I guess, though, it is a sizeable pain in the wallet for no benefit. Did you test drive one with DCC fitted and one without?
Most others with that option on here seem to say the difference between modes is quite marked...
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The roads around my area aren't great, and ive tried switching DCC modes over the same stretches to compare. Sport mode feels slightly stiffer but I cant tell any difference between normal and comfort. So if this is the DCC working correctly then I wish I hadn't specked it and I could have had a couple of other options for the same price. Just seems a bit odd that some people say they can feel a big difference.
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Just seems a bit odd that some people say they can feel a big difference.
Placebo effect :lipsrsealed:
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Just seems a bit odd that some people say they can feel a big difference.
Placebo effect :lipsrsealed:
I'm starting to think that!!
The road just outside my house is really bad, full of pot-holes/drain covers etc. I've driven up and down in in the different modes 100s of times and can not notice any difference. Going over a drain cover/pot hole at 30mph in sport compared to comfort is absolutely no different for me.
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I'm starting to think that!!
The road just outside my house is really bad, full of pot-holes/drain covers etc. I've driven up and down in in the different modes 100s of times and can not notice any difference. Going over a drain cover/bump at 30mph in sport compared to comfort is absolutely no different for me. Get knocked about everything and really feel it in the seat.
I'm really pleased with the car, but annoyed at spending £1000 of my hard earned on an option that clearly doesn't "do" anything.
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Placebo effect :lipsrsealed:
Is that the diplomatic term for "purchase justification effect" :grin: :lipsrsealed:
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Placebo effect :lipsrsealed:
Well I did wonder if that might be it.. but then the various reviewers aren't personally out of pocket over their car and have no motivation to imagine that it's working if it's not.
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I haven't taken delivery of my GTI yet, but my 911 has adaptive suspension (albeit a different type). Im not sure the difference in ride is very noticeable, however there is a concrete dual carriage way near me that has regular expansion joints in - and the difference in road noise is quite amazing - set in sport mode the noise changes quite dramatically (for the better!). My understanding of the GTI system is that the damper travel is effectively shortened by reducing the oil flow in the damper, so in comfort mode the car should be less affected by larger bumps!
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Completed 1700 miles now on varying roads and have in depth knowledge of my local roads which in places are terrible.
My previous S Line suspension on these local roads had wore me down to the point that actually began dreading journeys and had me cussing at every crash over a rough piece of road.
The DCC has been a revelation for me, I drive around in comfort maybe 80% of the time and it is truly comfort as those aformentioned crashes are now completely cushioned with the only real issue in ride being some tyre noise on concrete roads.
There is a difference between sport and comfort, it is still well cushioned in comparison to my S LIne suspension but you do have more a sense for them ruts and bumps than get in comfort.
Think the best comparison given the DCC version 2 is active all the time in all modes would be a comparison between a car with DCC and one with just the standard sport set up.
From what I have read the standard GTI/GTD suspension is a lot harder than a DCC in sport, and is that because the DCC is active at all times?
So if you have not selected DCC would you have the level of comfort I am getting now?
All I can vouch for is that my experience has been transformed as the ride is just so comfortable and yet when push it the GTD handles better than my outgoing S Line Quattro as feels lighter yet sticks just the same.
The DSG has transformed my experience too, great around town a revelation on the M25 Car Park and when want to push it an instant kick down that really gets me going or just taking over manually till let it slip back into auto.
5 Doors, DSG and DCC were my major options and all massive ticks for me. This is aside from many of the other things love like the Dynamic Lights, heated seats! and the shape, think looks great with those great alloys and so glad did not get a sportback
Far better car than my outgoing Audi and personally could not be happier with it and just as one final note after 1700 miles just feels less tight in engine and gears and really smooth now.
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Well, I have now collected my car back from the dealer (still with no camera in it - I might put more detail in another thread if I can face it). He had the techs look at the DCC and reported that it is showing no faults. He also told me (without prompting) about the DCC in his Sirocco and how he can't really feel any difference either - which mirrors my experiences.
However, I think I can now feel a difference. Maybe I'm imagining it - I need a longer journey to test, really, but I reckon the front has got more movement in it in comfort mode now.
Now I don't know whether I'm imagining it or whether they've found something wrong and fixed it and are trying to hide it for some reason.
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I have checked for the dreaded transport pucks this morning, cant see any up there (got some pics but not sure how to show them on here). So im thinking that there is nothing wrong with my DCC, it just doesn't do much for me between comfort and normal. Little bit disappointing to be honest but I suppose I should have tested / researched it a bit more before specing it.
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I have checked for the dreaded transport pucks this morning, cant see any up there (got some pics but not sure how to show them on here). So im thinking that there is nothing wrong with my DCC, it just doesn't do much for me between comfort and normal. Little bit disappointing to be honest but I suppose I should have tested / researched it a bit more before specing it.
Find a road with speed bumps and go over it in sport then in comfort. You should be able to spot the difference. I have had mine for a couple of days now and can tell the difference, it is subtle but noticeable in the right conditions (i.e. over bumps)
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I have checked for the dreaded transport pucks this morning, cant see any up there (got some pics but not sure how to show them on here). So im thinking that there is nothing wrong with my DCC, it just doesn't do much for me between comfort and normal. Little bit disappointing to be honest but I suppose I should have tested / researched it a bit more before specing it.
Find a road with speed bumps and go over it in sport then in comfort. You should be able to spot the difference. I have had mine for a couple of days now and can tell the difference, it is subtle but noticeable in the right conditions (i.e. over bumps)
Yeah thanks, I will find a speed bumpy road and do some testing. I can feel a bit of a difference in sport mode, its just there is no difference between normal and comfort, which is a bit annoying considering the cost of the option. Not that the car has a bad ride quality, I find it pretty comfortable in normal. or is it in comfort? no, its in normal. :smiley:
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Seriously??
My kids can tell me what mode the car is in when they are sat in the back seats.
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Seriously??
My kids can tell me what mode the car is in when they are sat in the back seats.
Are they reading the mode from the top left of the touchscreen? :grin:
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Surely the biggest concern/question is to how much difference is there between a GTI/GTD with and without DCC? and maybe more so if running Santiago.
Personally I can notice the difference between sport and comfort but sport is still hugely cushioned when placed against the outgoing S Line suspension.
From what can understand the standard GTI/GTD suspension though not hard is still quite firm (more so with Santago) as is permanently set to 'sport' with no active adjustment that DCC v.2 provides in all modes.
So regardless of whether you feel the difference or not between modes you are still benefitting quite a bit from cushioned ride DCC gives.
With regards performance, Top Gear said the GTI was fastest around track in comfort from what remember so not as if losing anything performance wise.
I have mine set to comfort pretty much most of time and still get around at a good pace, as good as pace as did in the Audi yet a whole lot more comfortably!
If you equate a hard ride to performance then maybe you are disappointed that the sport ride is not giving you that feedback but personally that is a hugely overrated experience from recent years of enduring it and I am enjoying the pace/comfort combination much more.
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I test drove a gtd with 19s and no Dcc, which I assumed at every drain cover, pot hole, bump etc and it simply lapped then up with a comfy ride throughout. I ordered Dcc and 19s subsequently.