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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: vidman2 on 26 November 2013, 15:02
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As per the title has anyone found a way to add camera alerts, preferably with audio warnings, to the new Discover Navigation unit in MK7 Golfs, ideally the PocketGPS database as that seems the most up to date.
Failing that any recommendations for a simple add on unit that has an up to date database that is not phone based.
See post on page 3 of this thread for update :wink:
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Yes - 'Norbreck21a' - he posted info about it but you would have to do a search on his posts to find it - ony a couple of weeks ago I think.
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you can't get audio alerts on the mk7 nav
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You could try a TomTom unit. All but the latest Go units can take the PGPSW database and give you various options and distances for the audible warning. I have one on my current A3. There is a post I've seen on this forum that shows you how to get a wire connection from the fuse-box and hide most of the wiring. If you're are using it for navigation your need not have the unit mounted so that it is visible, just somewhere so that you can hear it and it can get a satellite signal. If I take mine out of the car to update it using my computer I can still get a good satellite signal in the house so it may even work inside the glovebox or the small pocket on the drivers side.
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I'm pretty sure only the Pro allows uploading of personal POI's (which I have used for my speed cameras), and as mcmaddy said, there's no audible alert, just visual.
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Put the pgps app on your iphone/ipad and that gives you an audible warning.
You can use it by itself or with the discover nav
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Does this discussion relate to just cameras you wish to add on as extra?
Does the nav not have any preloaded cameras which it alerts you to (albeit not audibly)?
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Does this discussion relate to just cameras you wish to add on as extra?
Does the nav not have any preloaded cameras which it alerts you to (albeit not audibly)?
No it does not come with a camera database.
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I'm pretty sure only the Pro allows uploading of personal POI's (which I have used for my speed cameras), and as mcmaddy said, there's no audible alert, just visual.
Thanks, that does seem to be the response from all the sources I have tried, in any case not much use without voice/sound alerts. All in all a little disappointed that VW decided not to include/allow camera alerts which are considered by the UK authorities as a safety feature rather than an evasion system
Looks like I will have to stay with a separate device but which one? - I do not own, or need, a smart phone so that would be an expensive approach, will have to explore a hidden mounting for a separate SatNav just for Camera Alerts.
I will look into this as I do not want a visible dash mounted satnav which could attract the light finger brigade. If anyone has any ideas or has done this please post details - thanks
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If you don't need a sat nav or smart phone, how about a dedicated camera warning device like the RoadAngel? :)
I agree, when spending £700+ or £1700+ for the VW units and for them to not even do this is poor.
I have heard a lot of people seem to be having units locking up on them etc
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The reviews for all the dedicated units I have found are very variable, from OK to not worth having as many cameras missing. The PocketGPS database gets the best reviews but you need something to load it onto
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Have a read here: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254044.0
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I have to say it's a real disappointment that this basic feature that you'd expect satnavs to have isn't included. That's always the risk when going for a factory fitted nav you're at the mercy of their brand software but this is a glaring omission compared to industry standards (TomTom, Garmin).
There are some apps if you search "speed camera alert" in the app or play store but mixed reviews and eat your phone battery, not to mention that you look like a right mug paying for 750-1700 for nav in your brand new car and having to deploy your phone to avoid the highway paparazzi.
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Not sure why this is a disappointment.
Do any factory fit sat navs come with speed cams and audible warnings?
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Just because everyone's equally guilty doesn't mean it's right. Anyone have experience with Inforad's products? Small enough to fit on your rear view mirror and no subscriptions.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inforad-K2-Camera-Warning-System/dp/B003JBJFPS/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1385592968&sr=1-1&keywords=speed+camera+detector
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Just because everyone's equally guilty doesn't mean it's right. Anyone have experience with Inforad's products? Small enough to fit on your rear view mirror and no subscriptions.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Inforad-K2-Camera-Warning-System/dp/B003JBJFPS/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1385592968&sr=1-1&keywords=speed+camera+detector
Cheaper here but hurry.....
Inforad Speed Camera Warning System from £24.98 With Free Delivery (Up to 42% Off)
http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/special/gg-groupon-goods-global-gmb-h-541/30137589/.0CS7bj
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Before buying this check the negative - 1 star - reviews on the Amazon listing, their database does not appear to be very acurate and that is the make or break for this type of device
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Mmn, trawled through all the reviews. Wouldn't try it unless someone from a trusted source (eg this forum) had some first hand experience. Real dearth of good products out there, seems like a niche but I guess TomTom has it on lockdown.
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What about RoadAngel? They used to be the market leaders at this kind of stuff?
http://youtu.be/oJ2UFFmnWpw
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Again the problem is none of these 'specialist' options appear to be any good at keeping their databases up to date, see the amazon listings for Roadangel products - not good.
I keep coming back to PocketGPS but their DB needs to loaded onto a smartphone or standalone GPS and finding a small easily hidden GPS which will take the DB and give load alerts is proving difficult
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You could try looking on eBay for a second-hand TomTom ONE v3 or 4. These are have the square screen and are quite a bit smaller than the current models. They will no longer take the full map updates from TomTom but there is no problems adding the latest PGPSW camera database. This is updated very regularly and the ONE unit should easier to hide.
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You can put the pocket gps database on the discover pro but no audible alerts.
If you have an iPhone that can give the alert to accompany the Pro map speed camera positions.
Clunky but works
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You could try looking on eBay for a second-hand TomTom ONE v3 or 4. These are have the square screen and are quite a bit smaller than the current models. They will no longer take the full map updates from TomTom but there is no problems adding the latest PGPSW camera database. This is updated very regularly and the ONE unit should easier to hide.
Thanks, that looks a good option. If I can paint or wrap it and mount it face down on the side of the dash it wont look like a satnav so should be safe. Will check the installation instructions on PocketGPS as some sanavs seem easier than others to load with the DB
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Not sure why this is a disappointment.
Do any factory fit sat navs come with speed cams and audible warnings?
Yes, my qashqai does. It beeps and displays a message on the nav about the camera and the speed limit on the road.
Jealous. Just what we need.
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Pretty shocking that we can't even add our own speed cameras with the standard nav though.
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As there is currently no way of doing this I bit the bullet and bought a Special Edition TomTom Start25 from Halfords - £99 for a UK and Western Europe map plus free lifetime map updates and a free HighPower USB charger in addition to the normal one.
Then subscribed to the PocketGPS DB and all is hunkydory - their warning of mobile camera sites is very good - had every one I knew in my area.
Pity I now have to have 2 SatNavs in the car but with each NIP coming in at a minimum of £100 money well spent.
I managed to build a hybrid mount system out of a Phone and a Tablet mount which enable me to screen mount the TomTom but with the device actually below the screen line so no interference with the view of the road - and it simply looks like I have a phone mount so no tea-leaf will have cause to smash their way in thinking I have a satnav in the glove box (no sucker signs on the screen)
£99 worse off but piece of mind restored
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I highly recommend the free APP called CamSam.
I downloaded it to my Android before heading down to the Lake district a few weeks back and it never missed a camera.
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As there is currently no way of doing this I bit the bullet and bought a Special Edition TomTom Start25 from Halfords - £99 for a UK and Western Europe map plus free lifetime map updates and a free HighPower USB charger in addition to the normal one.
Then subscribed to the PocketGPS DB and all is hunkydory - their warning of mobile camera sites is very good - had every one I knew in my area.
Pity I now have to have 2 SatNavs in the car but with each NIP coming in at a minimum of £100 money well spent.
I managed to build a hybrid mount system out of a Phone and a Tablet mount which enable me to screen mount the TomTom but with the device actually below the screen line so no interference with the view of the road - and it simply looks like I have a phone mount so no tea-leaf will have cause to smash their way in thinking I have a satnav in the glove box (no sucker signs on the screen)
£99 worse off but piece of mind restored
Nicce one, have you got photos of your setup??
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Pics taken at eye level
1. With TomTom mounted - completely below the dash/bonnet level
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad283/Octavia5/tomtom/DSCF0760_zps50f90f91.jpg) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/Octavia5/media/tomtom/DSCF0760_zps50f90f91.jpg.html)
2. Without TomTom - in practice there is no restriction to the view of the road
(http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad283/Octavia5/tomtom/DSCF0761_zps67d579b0.jpg) (http://s944.photobucket.com/user/Octavia5/media/tomtom/DSCF0761_zps67d579b0.jpg.html)
Holder is made up of screen mount from this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181183170438?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
And jaws unit from
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331073496115?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
The jaws unit has the same fitting as the Tablet mount so is interchangeable.
It is likely that by searching Ebay you could find a single mount which combines both. I had one and bought the dash mount hoping to use just that but there was not enough adjustment on the dash mount to view the TomTom straight on so I used the Tablet mount and it positions perfectly
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So you have paid for Volkswagen navigation, and then mounted another unit on the windscreen :lipsrsealed:
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So you have paid for Volkswagen navigation, and then mounted another unit on the windscreen :lipsrsealed:
If you read the whole thread you will see why - the PocketGPS DB is the best way to avoid a NIP in the post as even the most alert driver can miss a limit sign or stray a few MPH over the limit and NIPs dont come cheap and thats without the automatic increase in insurance premiums for at least 3 years
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I've taken a slightly different route!
I set the destination on the 'built in NAV' and turn the sound off/right down.
I then put the same location into my iPhone NAV (CoPilot) which has a very good (and regularly updated) speed camera database. I then select the 'Source' on the Media as iPod to play music, but it also announces direction and most importantly speed cameras!! Seems to be pretty much the same directions as selected on the Nav unit but I get the benefit of the big central screen etc.
Seems stupid I know and I'm annoyed speed cameras aren't included on the £1700 Nav Pro unit!! But at least I've found a workable solution.
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I've taken a slightly different route!
I set the destination on the 'built in NAV' and turn the sound off/right down.
I then put the same location into my iPhone NAV (CoPilot) which has a very good (and regularly updated) speed camera database. I then select the 'Source' on the Media as iPod to play music, but it also announces direction and most importantly speed cameras!! Seem to be pretty much the same direction as selected on the Nav unit but I get the benefit of the big central screen etc.
Seems stupid I know and I'm annoyed speed cameras aren't included on the £1700 Nav Pro unit!! But at least I've found a workable solution.
A good common sense approach to get round a ridiculous situation. Full marks to you Chief
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Aye it works well, same could be used for any of the iPhone Nav or Speed Camera apps, like TomTom etc. Pain if you want to switch your media to 'radio' or SD card, but for long trips I usually setup a decent playlist anyway.
Having a second Nav when you have spent £700 / £1,700 on a built in unit seems MAD - but at least my iPhone is hidden away and the announcements are nice and clear (better than the Pro unit IMO).
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1. Was not aware that VW did not allow third party POI DBs to loaded - not the sort of question that springs to mind when ordering a new car, will next time!!
2. Do not have or want a Smart Phone so that option was not an option.
3. My solution works well enough for me at reasonable cost
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I think they do allow POIs to be added. See here: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254044.0
However, there are no 'announcements' and you need to manually keep the DB up to date.
I'd seriously think twice about spec'ing the Pro Nav unit again because of this.
Let's HOPE a future update will solve this. Might be worth a few of us getting in touch with VWCS and complaining? Not sure it'd carry any weight, but they may be able to update us when/if this is resolved. Other POIs are on the units, which are kept up-dated through the bi-annual map updates.