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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Robbiie_Cee on 25 November 2013, 10:00
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Recently bought this intercooler for my Golf Mk4 Gti 1.8t, just wondered if I need anything else before I tackle fitting it.
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Also I'm planning on gettin a revo map once I get my k03s, just looking for some info on any other supporting mods I should buy before I map it, any info n links will be very appreciated. I've currently got a full miltek exhaust system , KnN panel filter and a forge 007 DV.
Thanks
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In all honesty a bigger core! :laugh:
That things looks small!
Make sure the pipe work is 2.5"
3" downpipe
Turbo intake pipe
Clutch
Check all pipes for leaks and replace with silicone if necessary
Check for any fault codes and fix any
Port the exhaust manifold
Maybe a couple of other things i can't think of
And get a custom map from r-tech don't get a generic revo crap :smiley:
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In all honesty a bigger core! :laugh:
That things looks small!
Make sure the pipe work is 2.5"
3" downpipe
Turbo intake pipe
Clutch
Check all pipes for leaks and replace with silicone if necessary
Check for any fault codes and fix any
Port the exhaust manifold
Maybe a couple of other things i can't think of
And get a custom map from r-tech don't get a generic revo crap :smiley:
+1 on using r-tech for the map even if you have to travel :wink:
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ideally offer it up befor you start ripping all the old system out as you may find you will need other pipes or fittings :wink:
that's a universal kit not one specially made for the golf so be sure it will all fit :wink:
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Yeah that's a good point actually it's a universal kit....
Will need take offs for recirc valve and n75
And will also need a map sensor pipe.
Also that arrangement of pipe doesn't look like they will work so will probably need to buy some more pipes!
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And a load of spare jubilee clips as you'll be popping pipes off every other day! :undecided:
Can I be cheeky and ask how much it was?
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That core in fine if you going stage 1 it will hold 34 psi i think i have the same core just need to get my piping.
you will only need a bigger core if your looking at 240bhp+ but on saying that a bigger core wouldn't do any harm.
You pipework will need some tweeking.
I have an AUM and you if you have the same, you will need a MAP sensor pipe and a custom charge pipe that can fit the DV and N75 ontop of that you need some good and I mean GOOD clamps so they don't pop off.
I personally wouldn't use an of them pipes you have as they look to me like they do not have sweded edges meaning the pipes could pop off under pressure.
I have looked at getting all the correct piping apart from the custom charge pipe with clips and everythign and im looking on around the £150
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Thanks for all the replies guys :laugh: I've looked threw a lot of progress threads and I've got a rough idea what I'm looking for.
Aye I got it cheap, £100. Oh looks like il need all new piping then, any decent links? MAF, injectors, silicone pipes etc? Ready to treat myself/car for Xmas ha.
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To be honest dude
You can buy a toyosports core (massive or the medium one) for £85
So if I were you I would sell the intercoller you have for £100 and then buy a new core and you will be in the same position you are now but with a better core and £15 in your pocket :laugh:
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when your wanting clips to hold boost pipes.
dont get any of these makalor/boost pipe clips.
there terible. when you tighten them up you can see them tightening in an oval shpe rather than circle.
go down halfords/b&q and get a couple of joubilee clips.
the old makalor clips i had, i had three snap, and had one boost leak because of them.
joubalee clips are a hell of alot stronger and provide a better seal.
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Here's an email I got from r-tech when asking about mods and power gains etc. Hope it's useful.
Thank you for your enquiry regarding R-Tech performance remaps for your k03s 1.8T
We can offer you full custom rolling road remap session which includes full visual health checks, ecu and pc based diagnostics and data logging plus smoke test if needed to establish if the is car is fit and health for tuning. Common issues are boost leaks, faulty valves, sensors reading wrong ect. Most of the minor common issues can be fixed on site prior to tuning.
Once we are happy your car is safe and fit for mapping we will then strap your car to our Bosch rolling road dyno to log the fuel and to get a base line power number as a starting block to work from. We will then continue to tune your car on the dyno working the power and torque up in increments logged the ecu at each step to make sure the car is safe and no under laying issues. If we run into issues then we will stop tuning and leave the power at level which we think is safe for your hardware setup. If there are major issues with the hardware we will abort the tuning session and but the car back to stock until the hardware issues are fixed. 9 times out of 10 we can fix minor hardware issues during the mapping session or we can get parts in from main dealer within 45 mins. But please make sure you have not fault or issues before booking in.
Power gain for your 1.8T 20v setup can be upto:
Stage1 Tuning 200-212 BHP 235- 245 LBFT = £250
Stage2 Tuning 225-240 BHP 250-270 LBFT = £290
For stage 2 tuning you will need:
Good quality cold air induction kit or Panel filter
Full turbo back exhaust with 100cell or de cat at least 2.5” bore+
Front mount intercooler with the boost pipes 2.5” or bigger. Not Side mount
Turbo intake pipe (TIP) Not cheap small bore ebays pipes
Forge 007p or OEM ‘N’ Revision diverter valve
N249 bypass
Decent strong actuator Pressure is key yo the higher numbers, a n actuator with 100+k on it will not make the higher stage2 numbers due to the spring getting weak, where a new oem actuator will do 250+bhp.
Cars with high miles tend to find there orininal fuel pumps cannot flow or keep up when trying to run stage 2 power, so again might be worth looking at a new oem pump.
Use 3bar fuel reg not a 4bar which kills pumps, if you want more fuel head room then fit TT/LCR 380cc injectors.
Stage2+ Tuning 250-262 BHP 290-300 LBFT = £350
Strong actuator 1bar+
water meth injector kit
injectors from audi tt or s3 bam/amk engine
For the best result stage 2 and above you will need the best flowing hardware to get the number, a lot of cheap and branded kits are not upto the job to give the best results.
INDUCTION KITS/ AIR FILTERS
For induction kit we had to design our own cold air kit as non of the kits on the market could flow decent air and stay cool, The R-Tech RAM-CAI induction kit is only £120 fitted and has proven to flow for over 650bhp.
FMICs / Intercoolers
The are many fmic options on the market which range from £90 for universal setups to £700 branded units, the price don’t mean it’s the best flowing / cooling setup for your application. The £700 kits tend to be made of best quality materials and to fit easy, the £90 kits poor quality and poor fitting, lots of chopping and cutting needed. The best proven all around fmic is the “Wellycooler” setup, this has proven to us over the past years to give the best cooling and flow at all stages of tune, we are running them at 450+bhp on car with GT turbo. The Wellycooler kit is basically a Toyo 2.5” core with ASH hoses pipes. It costs around £220 for the materials. For more information on the wellycooler setups just search google and have a quick read up.
We can provide a custom 2.5” alloy welded hard pipe custom fmic setup supplied and fitted for £470 all inc. It’s the wellycooler without all the joins.
Exhausts and decats
Again with exhaust systems there are 1000s of options, but basically sub 350bhp all you need is a decent flowing 2.5” pipe work exhaust with decent bends which don’t cause a bottle neck in flow. Milltek is the best direct bolt on option for a full turbo back system. You can find on ebay decent 3” downpipe and decat setup for around £80 which are good enough for 320bhp and an easy fit to any other cat back system.
Going 3” exhaust on a k03 is over kill and will knock on the rear beam.
DUMP VALVES
Only proven DVs to work well with the 1.8T are the Forge 007p or 008 DV with the new pistion design. But the best working DV is the new stock factory plastic DV, the 710n or 710P from an Audi TT part number from main dealers 06A 145 710 P £35
TIPS / TURBO INTAKE PIPES
Again many options around ranging from £50 to £140, the cheap ebay tips are crap full stop, the bodies on them are smaller than the stock ones, they flow really bad and make less power then the stock tips. Forge sell the upgrade tip which flow better than the stock tips upto around 240bhp these are around £140. The best flowing tip for the k03 turbos is the 70mm Supersize tips which have proven to flow over 300bhp on the K300 hybrid turbos. R-Tech do there own brand 70mm supersize tip for £110 fitted, SFS also sell them.
Exhaust manifold
If your looking for the very best from your setup you might want to port the exhaust manifold collector, this can aid flow for another 10-12bhp at the higher end of the rpm scale. If your good at DIY its going to cost you nothing, but if you pay someone your looking at around £120 labour.
We have one of the top VAG tuners in the UK; Niki Gower who is on site and carries out the entire customer remaps using the very best tuning software and tuning emulators. You can tell him how and exactly you want the power delivery, throttle maps and boost maps ect... For an extra charge during your mapping session he can add launch control, 1:1 linear throttle maps.
If you need any more information regarding tuning your car then please call the workshop direct on 01455 617233 and speak to Ben who will be happy to answer all your questions and concerns.
Regards
The R-Tech Team
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very intresting read that email helpful thanks
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http://www.onlychargeddubs.co.uk/products/1-8t-mk4-golf-platform-front-mount-intercooler-and-pipe-kit.html
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http://www.onlychargeddubs.co.uk/products/1-8t-mk4-golf-platform-front-mount-intercooler-and-pipe-kit.html
I do like that, I take it that connects to the existing charge pipe?
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looks pretty similar to the ths or forge one!
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I'm running that kit, intact that's my car in the pics :grin:
The core is very similar to the THS one and the pipework is all custom made by OCD/Darkside Developments.
It fits neatly behind the bumper with a bit of trimming, all vents clip back on though so it's completely hidden. I'll dig out a pic later of it up close on mine.
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Quite a few 600x300x76 cores turning up for sale on the Facebook Vag pages at the mo.
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Again, thanks for the info lads... I'm taking it all in.
Would it be worth buying this?
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http://www.onlychargeddubs.co.uk/products/1-8t-mk4-golf-platform-front-mount-intercooler-and-pipe-kit.html
I do like that, I take it that connects to the existing charge pipe?
From the turbo yes, we we're going to use a Darkside clip adapter but found that it wasn't necessary really, would of bumped the price up and this boost pipe isn't prone to splitting/leaking like the diesels, every other pipe is replaced and MAP sensor is mounted in directly.
It is similar to the THS and Forge ones as there's no other way to make one fit, only difference is that this has full hard pipework, not long silicone pipes (which in our tests and research have proven to be poor quality) or the Forge kit which is all silicone and prone to bulging pipes and making suspect boost pressures, the Forge kit also cuts into the crash bar a lot more that we think is safe.
But even better our kit is cheaper than both :)
Like Dom says, he's been running this kit for a few months now, we've also sold quite a few now and had some great feedback with no updates required on the kit :)
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Thanks for your update Matt :)
I Might have to sell my Toyo and put my remap on hold till end of the summer and get one, however that's if I can afford it got the misses to pay back and stuff hehehehe. :rolleyes:
I don't suppose Darkside would consider making up custom pipe work for people like myself and Robbiie_Cee that own the same intercooler that you infact sell located here..
http://www.onlychargeddubs.co.uk/products/universal-2-25-front-mount-intercooler-fmic-540mm-x-140mm-x-65mm.html
I for one would buy it from you, and I am sure others would too and I would be happy to work with you to get the pipe work correct the hardest this we find trying to get pipe work for these intercoolers is the HOT side, it is very difficult getting pipework for the N75 and DV.
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No worries :) You have PM :cool:
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I would also be interested in pipe work if it's an option. Still looking for info on the most recent picture I posted in this thread, should I buy this turbo kit? Or just buy everything separately? Helpppp :laugh:
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Buy everything separate and hen you know it fits
Could buy that kit and then it could be rubbish haha