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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: christeasdale on 16 November 2013, 16:54
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Has anyone had the Autoglym Lifeshine on their new GTI, been offered it for £234 but not sure if its worth it or not. I have ordered the Pure White which I know is non-metallic so not sure if it will make much difference or not. It is also supposed to protect the interior to.
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Do a search on ebay as to how much the the kits sell for before you make the decision.
That said, you lose the lifeshine warranty but I wouldn't see a problem with that when you could lifeshine the car for a tenth of the cost and still do a better job than the dealers!
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It's been talked about on here many times. It really isn't all it's cracked up to be and certainly not worth £234 due to the slap dash way the dealers carefree valeters slap it on.
Someone will be along soon and point you in the direction of a professional detailer and a ceramic sealant product.
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After all the talk on this forum about what an utter mess dealers make of the AutoGylm Lifeshine, I'm defo not wanting it. You can buy the kit on Ebay for £8. YES £8 :shocked: The dealer will give you all the sales patter, and send you away with a lovely leaflet, and you get the bag full of goodies. But I'm not longer buying it. I'm gonna find a local detailer to take care of my paintwork protection. FRom what others are saying, the guys at the dealers take just 2 hours over it, when really it needs much much longer, and time to cure. And folk end up having to get it taken off again because of the swirl marks.
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I had it done for free its a waste of time. Save the cash and put it towards a holiday...
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You'd be better off detailing your car yourself with some good quality products, or getting it done by a professional detailer, unless you want to risk the dealer making a mess of your paintwork.
I certainly wouldn't pay for it. I wouldn't even let the dealer apply it as a freebie.
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Remember not to think that all dealers are the same, it's unfair to think that they all do a poor job.
I've been using my dealer since 2004 and the same mechanic works on my car, never had any problems.
I'm having LifeShine applied and confident it will be as I expect it to be.
LifeShine warranty is there for peace of mind, any issues then AutoGlym can be contacted etc.
However I do agree it's not worth the £399 asking price.
Been using AutoGlym products for a very long time and pretty happy with the results. :smiley:
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Don't even think about having a dealer apply paint treatments - even for free. It will cost you to have it put right afterwards by a specialist.
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Don't even think about having a dealer apply paint treatments - even for free. It will cost you to have it put right afterwards by a specialist.
It won't cost you a penny, it's all under warranty, worst case scenario AutoGlym UK get involved.
I really do think all the negative comments towards dealerships is un-called for, perhaps certain indviduals have had problems in the past.
Mine have been as I expect them to be.
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Dealerships sell and service cars - paint treatment application is a specialist role which the majority do not have staff with the appropriate skills (ie detailers) and the time allowance to carry out correctly - its as simple as that!
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Dealerships sell and service cars - paint treatment application is a specialist role which the majority do not have staff with the appropriate skills (ie detailers) and the time allowance to carry out correctly - its as simple as that!
I disagree with you when it concerns LifeShine, the dealership would have participated in AutoGlym training to ensure it's applied to a certain standard - AutoGlym is no joe blogs outfit.
You have to remember that LifeShine is NOT detailing, it's applied to protect 3 key area's..... Bodywork, glass and the interior. It helps retain a nice glossy shine and creates a added layer of protection for elements.
Plenty of videos on YouTube show you it's functions.
As long as the car as been pre-prepped correctly, LifeShine works.
So I guess it comes down to your dealers ability to perform the work correctly.
Any problems with the treatment, just get in touch with AutoGlym UK.
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Points well stated... but I would personally not let a dealer touch my paintwork for any reason - so to some extent we will have to agree to disagree :smiley:
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Dealerships sell and service cars - paint treatment application is a specialist role which the majority do not have staff with the appropriate skills (ie detailers) and the time allowance to carry out correctly - its as simple as that!
I disagree with you when it concerns LifeShine, the dealership would have participated in AutoGlym training to ensure it's applied to a certain standard - AutoGlym is no joe blogs outfit.
You have to remember that LifeShine is NOT detailing, it's applied to protect 3 key area's..... Bodywork, glass and the interior. It helps retain a nice glossy shine and creates a added layer of protection for elements.
Plenty of videos on YouTube show you it's functions.
As long as the car as been pre-prepped correctly, LifeShine works.
So I guess it comes down to your dealers ability to perform the work correctly.
Any problems with the treatment, just get in touch with AutoGlym UK.
You are 100% correct until you get to the point that virtually no dealer has the margins/time to actually do the job properly. You're better off applying it yourself.
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You have to remember that LifeShine is NOT detailing, it's applied to protect 3 key area's..... Bodywork, glass and the interior.
Which generally means sealant smeared over poorly prepared paintwork on the day the car is been collected. A similar product applied to the glass with Rainx on the windscreen, they a can of Scotch Guard sprayed around the interior.
What you really have to remember is what it really is, is an add on for the dealer to make a bit more on his finance commission. Many people these days buy their cars with some sort of finance package. When going through the figures, the dealer will say "You may as well take this, this and this product as well. They only add £15 a month to your monthly payment" There are customers that only consider the monthly payments without looking at the overall picture, so if it a small amount more they will generally get talked into it. Meanwhile the dealer has got them to borrow an extra £540 that they didn't need to. Granted, he's not going to earn much from that, but do it on most deals and it'll all mount up.
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Just to add a bit of light into this from first hand experience.
Our valeters have a lot of cars to get through, both sales & service. They do a very good job (well sales cleaners at least) at clean the car and making it shine for a handover. But they key word there is clean.
I've napped one of the kits, although we use Supaguard. The kits actually costs us £20, as the stuff on ebay are just all spares, or diluted stuff with water. I think it's good, but as you guys have all said, it needs to applied properly, and allowed to dry.
It's not detailing, so doesn't require a great amount of skill, but still, with a lot of cars to get through it won't be done to they way we want it do be done, despite people paying anywhere between £200-£700 at some dealers.
I got paid 20% off Supaguard commission. If I could sell it at £700, we would make about £500 after warranty, the kit, and paying for it to be applied (yes, it still costs for all that stuff). So £500 profit all adds up. Our penetration on new cars is 90%, so if you're dealers doing 50 odd new cars a month, soon adds up.
The only reason which would make me go to a dealer is the warranty. Never had anyone need to claim, but I've heard it hard to do, and they never sort it.
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I was in my Local VW dealer on Friday picking up some bits for my wifes car.
The "valet" guy walks in to talk to a service chap. He had a Chamois leather hanging from his back pocket which looked liked it had dragged through the dirt and then stood on for good measure. Watched him walk out side and use the same chamois leather to finish drying off a customers car. Absolutely shocking :(
When our car goes in, I will be insisting they don't go anywhere near it with a wash bucket.
Back to Autoglym. The car we picked up 3 weeks ago from the VW dealer was covered in swirls before we drove it from the showroom. I did mention it to the sales guy who was rather embarrassed. I will just seal the car now, until the weather gets better and then remove the swirls myself. My point is this. If we had paid for Autoglym to be applied, they would simply have put it on top of the swirls.
Great Product potentially, but the fact is a car will probably need 4-5 hours work even before applying it, to get all of the paintwork pristine. Dealers just don't have the time (or expertise) to do this.
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Washed mine with Autolglym using 2 bucket and wool mitten, gave it a quick and light polish with Autoglym and then sealed it with Collinite which was products already had and took about 90 minutes. .
After a couple of long journeys gave it a foam lance and wash off today and beaded lovely.
No detailer, will be lancing throughout winter when getting really dirty and only giving it the above treatment once a year of a good wash, polish and Collinite seal
Even if buying products from new still a lot cheaper and it is not that much time out of your day and you have the satisfaction of doing and knowledge that you not abusing the paint in anyway.
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Hi mjh.
Loads of Collinite products out there.
Which did you use?
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Hi mjh.
Loads of Collinite products out there.
Which did you use?
Given an irregular washer and particularly in winter used '476' Super Double Coat Wax to give it good protection throughout and for easy jet washing.
Was going to give the GTechniq a go as many here really liked but went to my tried and trusted - There is a detailers forum here too and lots of good tips for basics and if want to take further, but my way is the low maintenance one :wink:
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I would also chuck into the mix that people asking you to go and hunt out a local detailer aren't highlighting that this may well cost you more than the £200 odd that you've been quoted for the lifeshine. It's fair to say that the majority of professional detailers will do a better job but they'll also charge you for that standard of work.
Personally speaking it's not that difficult to get a car nice and shiny through your own efforts, I wouldn't go spending hundreds on someone else doing it unless you feel you can't do a half decent job. There isn't any trick to get the car shiny, it's common sense and not being heavy handed.
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There isn't any trick to get the car shiny, it's common sense and not being heavy handed.
The "trick" is not in what product, or how it's applied, real depth of shine comes from meticulous preparation of the paint to begin with.
The issue is, and always will be the slap dash way in which most dealers valeters will initially wash the car, more often than not inflicting swirl damage. There is no point at all in applying glazes, products with fillers like AG Super Resin, then topping it off with a durable wax or sealant if the swirls are still there underneath. You WILL see them when the sun hits them at an unforgiving angle.
To get the very best results the only course of action is to machine polish the marks completely out before applying any form of protection. It's not everyone that has the tools, the time and the experience to do this job well, which is why we are advising using a professional detailer if you want a first rate job.
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I would also chuck into the mix that people asking you to go and hunt out a local detailer aren't highlighting that this may well cost you more than the £200 odd that you've been quoted for the lifeshine. It's fair to say that the majority of professional detailers will do a better job but they'll also charge you for that standard of work.
Of course they will - and rightly so. The point is if you are already commited to spending a few hundred on paint prep you may as well get a specialist to do it. If there is machine polishing involved, then unless you are in the very small minority of private owners who have the equpment and the experience to do this properly and safely, you need a pro detailer.
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Yeah thats all fine guys if you allow them to wash your car and inflict the swirls in the first place. You don't have to let the dealer wash the car, I didn't and there was barely a scratch on the paint when I got the car. I'm not going to spend £500 having full paint protection done including machining the paint if it doesn't need it.
The fact the OP questioned spending £234 on paint protection I'm assuming he isn't looking for alternatives that could cost him twice as much.
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The fact the OP questioned spending £234 on paint protection I'm assuming he isn't looking for alternatives that could cost him twice as much.
Probably not, but the original question has been answered with a resounding NO. Providing the dealer doesn't touch the car beforehand, a Life Shine kit purchased from ebay for less than £10 and applied at home will suffice, if that's his thing.
As with most topics, this one has digressed into what needs doing to get the ultimate finish and protection.
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I should have made it clear that if machine polishing rectification was needed after paint damage I would be looking to the culprits to pay for that rectification. If, as it has been suggested (and would also be my preffered route), you simply take any paint prepping/cleaning out of the dealers hands and get it done by a detailer you will be paying the around same amount as the AG application costs anyway!