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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: caprigreen on 29 October 2013, 09:39
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Hi everyone, I am having a problem finding the correct front brake hoses for my Golf GTI 8V . My car is a one of the last made J plate 1992. I left the car with the garage to fit. They have phoned to say the hose supplied will not fit at the caliper end. Not quite sure what they mean they described the caliper as flat and the house being flanged (or the other way round). They have phoned around and have said that the hose and or caliper is unique to the engine code. I am away from home at the moment so do not have the chassis number and engine code. My question is, has anyone come up against this problem before and of so any idea where I can get the part as VW cant help.
Thanks guys Steve
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Are the calipers stock items? Did you supply the hoses?
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You may be getting a mk3 hose if you quote the year as 92. Make sure you quote the chassis number or at least ask for a 90/91 hose. That being as long as you have stock calipers
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Thanks for the replies guys.
I have been away so left it with the garage. They have phoned to say that there is a hose unique to this engine code that was particular to just a small number of the late MK2s. Yhey had been told this by suppliers who sya that were aware of this issue. They were talking about having a custom made hose, that cant be right ? Wanted to know if anyone had heard of this issue. If not, it may not be accurate. If nonone on here has hear of it then I have either been supplied the wrong part or the calipers are not factory ?
Steve
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If your car is a late run out 8v then it potentially has the 16v 256mm brake setup.
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If your car is a late run out 8v then it potentially has the 16v 256mm brake setup.
Thanks Gambit, will see if the 16v hoses fit. It has to be something simple like that
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I have a November 91 8v and that has the usual 238mm brakes so I would think you would have the same, if they have'nt been changed. I fitted a new flexy hose on the front of mine 3 or 4 years ago and I don't recall any issues.
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I have a November 91 8v and that has the usual 238mm brakes so I would think you would have the same, if they have'nt been changed. I fitted a new flexy hose on the front of mine 3 or 4 years ago and I don't recall any issues.
Thanks , this could be a simple case of being sold the wrong part ? Will take the hose off and provide a pic if I cant sort it out. I am relying on the garage telling me the tale, will speak to them in the morning and see if I can solve it.
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I think you may have been sold the wrong part. I've checked and the part no is the same on all 239mm setups from 1979-1992!
-171-611-701L (m10x1 335mm length)
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I think you may have been sold the wrong part. I've checked and the part no is the same on all 239mm setups from 1979-1992!
-171-611-701L (m10x1 335mm length)
Thanks Ben, do you have a picture you could send me of the part so I can compare, I have spoken to all the motor factors locally and they cant find me the right part.
Regards Steve
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Funny you mention this i have a 1990 g ref 16v and i ordered new pads and brake hose and tbey was wrong, the brake hose was same problem as you ... mine still isent sorted so if you find out thw answer let me know dude!!
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See how it compares to this........
http://www.gsfcarparts.com/657vg0170
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See how it compares to this........
http://www.gsfcarparts.com/657vg0170
I spoke to the garage today. The hose I supplied them is the right length, the right thread, it looks exactly like the one in the diagram in the link .......the issue is the the tip of the threaded male part. If you look down the the hole the end is concave or flared as my mechanic desribed it, the old hose is flat if that makes sense. It is the mating of these suffaces that makes the seal. The hole is also of a larger diameter than the old part. I note that the part on heritage lists as up to 91. Mine is a March 92, Surely Vw did not change the parts for the last MK2s ?
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http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=536
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http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=536
Cant tell if this will fit unless I can look down the hole. The garage say the concave end is different to the original with is flat , and will not seal ?
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If you look really really close, magnify on a desktop pc it looks concave.
I take it you confirmed what size your brakes are?
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If you look really really close, magnify on a desktop pc it looks concave.
I take it you confirmed what size your brakes are?
You right it does look concave which is the same as the replacement that does not fit. Not checked brake type yet, mentioned it to the garage , going to check tomorrow. I have a receipt in the paper work from last owner for 239 mm replacement discs so not hopeful on that theory but will double check. Will remove hose from car and get them custom made if needs be.
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I've just gone out to the warehouse to look at our hoses. We have ATE and a Meyle branded items in stock, I will post the pictures in a sec...
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I've just gone out to the warehouse to look at our hoses. We have ATE and a Meyle branded items in stock, I will post the pictures in a sec...
Thanks Ben I need a photo looking down the end of the male end to see if its concave around the bore or a flat end , that is the issue .
Steve
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Right, crappy picture but this is an ATE hose and it's flat at the end with a smallish hole....
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/benjaminparsons/hose2_zps3e12f56f.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/benjaminparsons/media/hose2_zps3e12f56f.jpg.html)
This is a Meyle hose, concave at the end with a large hole...
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/benjaminparsons/hose4_zps85698065.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/benjaminparsons/media/hose4_zps85698065.jpg.html)
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Right, crappy picture but this is an ATE hose and it's flat at the end with a smallish hole....
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/benjaminparsons/hose2_zps3e12f56f.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/benjaminparsons/media/hose2_zps3e12f56f.jpg.html)
This is a Meyle hose, concave at the end with a large hole...
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/benjaminparsons/hose4_zps85698065.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/benjaminparsons/media/hose4_zps85698065.jpg.html)
Ben your a star ! the ATE Looks the one , I will give you a ring at Heritage can you deliver next day ?
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Right, crappy picture but this is an ATE hose and it's flat at the end with a smallish hole....
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/benjaminparsons/hose2_zps3e12f56f.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/benjaminparsons/media/hose2_zps3e12f56f.jpg.html)
This is a Meyle hose, concave at the end with a large hole...
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af45/benjaminparsons/hose4_zps85698065.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/benjaminparsons/media/hose4_zps85698065.jpg.html)
Ben your a star ! the ATE Looks the one , I will give you a ring at Heritage can you deliver next day ?
Hi Ben tried to phone you but you were busy. I spoke to one of your colleagues who says there is only one hose available and that it would take a cpl of months to look into the issue with suppliers. The Meyle one has the same part number but as you can see is different fit. Not sure where to go from here and thoughts ?
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nice one Ben@VWH - cant get better service than that!!
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Sorry capri green, i've been out on the road this afternoon. From what I can see by looking at a caliper we have on the shelf here, the actual sealing of the hose comes from the small tapered edge around the outside of the the hose end (and the fine thread itself helps seal). Therefore it shouldn't technically matter which hose you fit, I would suggest fitting a matching pair just to ensure you don't get a brake imbalance.
Tis a shame we only had one ATE hose left though.
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Sorry capri green, i've been out on the road this afternoon. From what I can see by looking at a caliper we have on the shelf here, the actual sealing of the hose comes from the small tapered edge around the outside of the the hose end (and the fine thread itself helps seal). Therefore it shouldn't technically matter which hose you fit, I would suggest fitting a matching pair just to ensure you don't get a brake imbalance.
Tis a shame we only had one ATE hose left though.
Hi Ben, thanks for taking the time to help. I have obtained the correct hoses from Eurocarparts they are the same fitting as the ATE and made by pagid. I have discussed again with the garage and they are of the opinion that the the difference is essential for them to fit? I have not seen the caliper so cant explain more at the moment so will reserve judgement.
I have run a check for a 1990 gti with eurocarparts and that shows the same part number as my 1992 so it may well be that both hoses will fit. If that's the case then I just wonder why they have slightly different fittings? If it was not a potential safety issue I would not be looking in so much detail.
Thanks Ben , to all who have assisted me
Regards Steve
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Fit them. If they dont seal then they wont be able to bleed them so you wont actually have to drive to test
the likes of goodridge braided hoses only do one type for mk2 golf gti's for all caliper types, the only difference in factory hoses is the length of hose on front calipers
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The relief on the tip gives you more contact pressure so should seal off easier than trying to seal over a bigger land.
It will also take a compression fitting to hard pipe hence the bigger hole, just a std hydraulic fitting :smiley:
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Good point Gambit.
Thanks VW Bush , that makes sense, looks like I have made a fuss over nothing, but got there in the end thanks to you guys.
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At least it's all sorted now! :smiley:
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At least it's all sorted now! :smiley:
Thanks Ben I appreciate your help