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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 16:49

Title: MK3 estate Front spring plate help - FIXED
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 16:49: I've fitted lowering springs to my 1996 MK3 1,9 non turbo diesel golf estate and have noticed that the front spring plates are a little too small for the new front springs - the ones that sit directly on top of the spring. The spring doesn't look like it will go past it but i want it right you know :)

After looking online I've read that there were size differences between early and later MK3 golf front spring plates. Can anyone tell me what part number is for the larger size front spring plate and is the main dealer the best best?

Thanks!

(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131019_155320_zps3f69ce23.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131019_155320_zps3f69ce23.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131019_155224_zps422900c7.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131019_155224_zps422900c7.jpg.html)

Current spring plate is about 90mm in diameter and looks like it needs to be about 105-110mm.

Also sitting at slight angle as you can see due to the spring pushing it up on one side!

This bit?

http://www.findpart.org/part/vw-1h0412341
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: gasketface on 19 October 2013, 17:53: these are what you need

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRONT-SPRING-PLATES-NEW-FOR-GOLF-MK4-MK3-GTi-VR6-CORRADO-LUPO-BEETLE-BORA-TT-/390672384756?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf|Plat_Gen%3AMK+III&hash=item5af5e382f4
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 18:05: Thanks for that. Are they big enough as the ruler in the photo makes them look about the sam as mine (90mm)? Maybe the photo isn't the best gauge?

Says here 92mm?
http://www.niparts.com/OEM/E87659/SKODA/357412341A.html
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: gasketface on 19 October 2013, 18:09: what diameter is the hole on the top spring on your new spring ?.There are 2 sizes and i think they are 65mm and 85mm or thereabouts.
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 18:14: I know that the outer diameter of the existing spring plate is about 90mm which is edge to edge the widest part you see in the photo that the spring sits against at the top so i would say the hole inside the top of the new spring is 85mm i.e. slightly smaller than the spring plate diameter?
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: gasketface on 19 October 2013, 18:21: then you may need the earlier one's

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-FRONT-SPRING-PLATES-NEW-FOR-VW-GOLF-MK2-MK3-VENTO-93-/360745630505?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf&hash=item53fe1d7b29

have you got the make and part number of the springs you are trying to fit as that would help to identify the years they for
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 18:28: That looks like a different design?

This might be it but seems expensive and no part numbers listed?
http://www.mecatechnic.com/GO3_GJ50009_GB_1-Upper-suspension-cup-110-mm-original-type-for-Golf-3-GTI--VR6--94-1H0412341---.htm

The springs are FK springs part number FKVW075 same as these:
http://www.fk-shop.de/en/Suspension-Tuning/Lowering-springs/Lowering-springs-High-Tec-fit-for-VW-Golf-3-Variant-1HXO-1H-oxid.html?filterVehicle_Model=Golf+3&filterVehicle_Manufacturer=VW&verbose=true&catalog=true&searchparam=*&fnc=ajaxListLoader&cnid=9eacae300912a3d256975e94679a8793
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 18:49: I am now thinking it is part 1H0 412 341. Can anyone confirm?

What a pain eh :)
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 19 October 2013, 20:09: They are the right ones but you can get them much cheaper. Contact B&B components (tierod69 on eBay), they've sorted me out both types in the past for around a tenner a pair.
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 20:15: Tierod69 B&b components - so these ones maybe?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK2-1-3-1-6-1-8-GTI-16V-FRONT-SHOCK-TOP-SPRING-PLATE-191412341-A42-/200824911175?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ec218f547

Are they MK2 ones then? Also the little notch bit on it i can see is that okay?
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 19 October 2013, 20:18: Looks like it mate, before commiting to a purchase send Spencer a message or give them a bell and he'll tell you if they're the small or large cups.
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 October 2013, 20:31: Will do :)

Part 191412341 it is then.

thanks to both gasketface and thai-wronghorse!
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: gasketface on 19 October 2013, 21:13: :smiley:
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: gazareth on 20 October 2013, 14:09: you will either need to get front springs for a later mk3. or change the spring plate/bearing/top mount and nuts to the earlier type. (mk2 and early mk3)
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 21 October 2013, 15:02: So the larger spring plate won't be enough on its own then? I would need to replace everything from spring plate upwards so to speak?
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 25 October 2013, 18:01: No they weren't the right part and don't fit the top mounts very well at all :(

Diameter is about right though.

Here's how they compare:

(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131025_171509_zps47e30151.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131025_171509_zps47e30151.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131025_171519_zpsd0e62db4.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131025_171519_zpsd0e62db4.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131025_171624_zps7c19c84d.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131025_171624_zps7c19c84d.jpg.html)

Anyone have any ideas what is the correct part i need?
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 26 October 2013, 12:17: Aren't there two types of top mount rubbers as well so youll need matching ones?
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 26 October 2013, 17:44: Are there any that look like they'll fit that newer spring plate?

Have i got to get all of these bits to make them fit?!

http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_parts_Front-Suspension_act_page.render_pageID_1134_lang_EN_country_GB.htm
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 28 October 2013, 13:37: I'm putting it back to the original springs now so if anyone wants some new cheap lowering springs....
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: carnarge on 30 October 2013, 07:28: I am in exactly the same position and not happy,
there's a mention of different spring plates on FK's info but theres no mention of what you need to buy,
http://www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/Suspension-Tuning/Lowering-springs/Lowering-springs-High-Tec-fit-for-VW-Corrado-16V-G60-VR6-53i.html?force_sid=320176377faf5b24bbddd1d34f200aec&listtype=search&searchparam=fkvw051
-For vehicles from Yr 10/93 were instd with different VW spring plate on the front axle. For vehicles with a small
-for Yr: 1989
-1996
I think I(we) need these
http://www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/Promotion-sale-items/SALE/Lowering-spring-cap-fit-for-VW-Golf-3-Typ-1HXO-1H-1E-GTI-16V-VR6-bis-07-93-Corrad.html
It keeps the later "floating" spring plate design, only problem is it will lower the front by (I guess) 10mm or so,
but looking at the stock early mk3 to late mk3 plates it looks like the early ones will raise it by 20mm or so.
I'm waiting till 9am then phoning Germany to complain,
I'll keep you posted
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: carnarge on 30 October 2013, 09:15: Just phoned FK in Germany, spoke to a nice knowledgable English guy called David,
I explained the situation and he is arranging me a pair of these to be sent to me
http://www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/Suspension-Tuning/Spring-plate/Lowering-spring-cap-fit-for-VW-Golf-3-Typ-1HXO-1H-1E-GTI-16V-VR6-bis-07-93-Corrad.html
like I said they may lower the front a bit but should be easy to make a spacer between spring plate and bearing
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: carnarge on 30 October 2013, 09:18: Just phoned FK in Germany, spoke to a nice knowledgable English guy called David,
I explained the situation and he is arranging me a pair of these to be sent to me free of charge!!!
http://www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/Suspension-Tuning/Spring-plate/Lowering-spring-cap-fit-for-VW-Golf-3-Typ-1HXO-1H-1E-GTI-16V-VR6-bis-07-93-Corrad.html
like I said they may lower the front a bit but should be easy to make a spacer between spring plate and bearing,
I'm feeling a lot happier
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 30 October 2013, 10:24: Let us know how you get on as im considering some cheap springs for my wagon.
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 30 October 2013, 19:44: Yeah I looked at those very FK lowering spring plates too on the CarpartsTuning site as it had the same style as my old ones and looked wider too.

I sent them a message enquiring as to whether they would fit mine but all i got was:

"sorry but these use the original spring plate we do not have them for this kit.

As for the other item I have no info as to if they fit the spring or not."

I also googled the FK part number FKFT17 and ended up with images of the spring plates that i already had..

e.g. (http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/cheap/232363/volkswagen/eibach-multi~pro~r2-coilovers/fkft17.html)

...so i left it :( but hey the images in that link above could be wrong.

Would be very interested in what turns up at your door when you get them though :)
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: carnarge on 31 October 2013, 09:47: I'll keep you posted,
Hopefully I can make mine work
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 19 November 2013, 18:21: I think I found the right part!

It was part 1H0412341. Were about £20 inc VAT each from main dealer (not exactly cheap!)

It is taller than the original but not by much. Fits top of spring and top mount bearing perfect and is same style.

Here's how they compare to original spring plates and how they look fitted to:

FK FKZZVW10 sports dampers
FK FKVW075 40mm lowering springs
(www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/‎)

In hindsight i would've tried to find a lowering spring set that fits the later smaller MK3 Golf spring plates (??) or a cheap set of coilovers but hey this is where i'm at.

(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_114940_zps3d6e988e.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_114940_zps3d6e988e.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_114931_zpsc98534cc.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_114931_zpsc98534cc.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_121010_zpsfe23589f.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_121010_zpsfe23589f.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_121005_zpsc6a1a9ea.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131122_121005_zpsc6a1a9ea.jpg.html)

How it looked on my car:
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131214_135751_zps003c0459.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131214_135751_zps003c0459.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131214_135722_zpsb5c1b330.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131214_135722_zpsb5c1b330.jpg.html)
(http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz86/burstlikeabubble/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131214_135743_zps912ee8cb.jpg) (http://s816.photobucket.com/user/burstlikeabubble/media/Cars/P524RMR%20VW%20Golf/20131214_135743_zps912ee8cb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MK3 estate Front spring plate help - FIXED
Post by: burstlikeabubble on 14 January 2014, 19:00: Also the FKFT17 lowering spring (www.carparts-tuning.co.uk/‎) plates were the same size as my original spring plates so are the smaller ones!

Maybe FKFT15s are the larger ones but i couldn't be nothered to buy any more only to be dissapointed and from what the description says about them on the website i doubt they're the ones either :(