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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Golf mk7 GTD/TDI => Topic started by: MajorKhan on 02 October 2013, 18:05
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I know the figures are in the brochure but now some guys have had them for a while, how quick is this car compared to other TDi's.....lets get a real review from an British driver on British roads!!!
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Not as quick as a MK7 Gti... :laugh:
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R quicker then GTI :smug:
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Not as quick as a MK7 Gti... :laugh:
is that you hoping it's not or do you know for certain??
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I am waiting to get my GTD... However it all depends on who is driving as to which is quicker from A to B.
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Not far off I hope with a map....
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Have just gone from a TDI to a GTI and to be fair going at speed limits theres very little difference.
GTI is faster off the line and maybe 60-70. You need high revs though to get all that power and you get a great noise with it.
Diesel pulls like a train in the 30-50 range though and I'm sure with the actuator and things it probably sounds great too.
The GTD is most definitely the "sensible" choice and unless you're looking for extremely high end race style you're not gonna be disappointed by getting one.
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It's as quick as a MK6 GTI through the gears, but off the line it's delivery of torque is going to mean that traction is an issue. The Audi A3 with same engine and Quattro is 0.6s quicker 0-62, all due to better traction off the line, so remaps aren't going to improve the 0-62 dramatically, but in gear acceleration can always be improved. If you have been in a MK6 GTI then you'll know what to expect. Doesn't feel as quick as my 170TDI CR Scirocco, the improved refinement makes the GTD (and the GTI) feel slower than they actually are. Then again, my 170TDI CR Scirocco felt slower than my MK5 170TDI PD Golf, but the dials told a different story.
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I know the figures are in the brochure but now some guys have had them for a while, how quick is this car compared to other TDi's.....lets get a real review from an British driver on British roads!!!
What are you used to? If you're used to supercar performance, GTD is very slow... If you're driving a 20 year old Ford Ka, the GTD is very fast... I suppose, what I'm trying to say is that it is all relative.
There seems to be a predilection for 0-60 times on this forum and many seem to think that "life is just a bet on a race between the lights" but in normal driving on the road I would expect that there is very little to chose between the GTD and most hot hatches diesel or petrol. On a country lane, without long straights, I would expect a GTI driver to have to work very hard to pull out any sort of a gap over a similarly skilled driver in a GTD...
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I know the figures are in the brochure but now some guys have had them for a while, how quick is this car compared to other TDi's.....lets get a real review from an British driver on British roads!!!
What are you used to? If you're used to supercar performance, GTD is very slow... If you're driving a 20 year old Ford Ka, the GTD is very fast... I suppose, what I'm trying to say is that it is all relative.
There seems to be a predilection for 0-60 times on this forum and many seem to think that "life is just a bet on a race between the lights" but in normal driving on the road I would expect that there is very little to chose between the GTD and most hot hatches diesel or petrol. On a country lane, without long straights, I would expect a GTI driver to have to work very hard to pull out any sort of a gap over a similarly skilled driver in a GTD...
One of reasons there was no dilemma on performance from me, and those who similarly have driven performance diesels in that we understand the power and have grown to know how to use it, I definitely drive the Diesel differently to what I would a petrol as utilise and ride that torque band.
So it was an easy and instant tick as in day to day driving across all the varying roads my present more than holds it's own have no memories in 6 years of being embarrassed by anything at all and expect the GTD to at least match that experience with greater comfort being my main aim this time around.
If retain what have now and get the greater comfort I am seeking then think with the economy I would be in the complete car for me. - here is hoping.
My only dilemma was the red strip, as no matter what anyone says you are drawn to the history of it but too many ££ overall to justify for me.
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I've had my new black GTD since Monday.
It is a Personal Contract Hire car for two years, so I am never going to own the car. As such, I'm probably a bit less worried about running the engine in and keeping the revs down. Maybe I'm just a chav! :smiley:
I know the engine will loosen off, but my initial thoughts are that you are not going to be killing people in 'at the lights' races. There are def 2 changes required to get the most out of the car (1 to 2 and 2 to 3) to 60 and if you get outwith the main torque band by over revving there is a noticeable drop in power.
In 3rd and 4th them pull is really quite something. You can find yourself going lose your license speeds. The worrying thing is you feel like you are sitting at 40!
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That's the beauty of DSG. Just hit the go faster pedal and don't worry about the gears :evil:
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I know the engine will loosen off, but my initial thoughts are that you are not going to be killing people in 'at the lights' races. There are def 2 changes required to get the most out of the car (1 to 2 and 2 to 3) to 60 and if you get outwith the main torque band by over revving there is a noticeable drop in power.
In 3rd and 4th them pull is really quite something. You can find yourself going lose your license speeds. The worrying thing is you feel like you are sitting at 40!
This is what I've found too. I've found that keeping it between 1900 - 3000 rpm in 3rd/4th/5th it's possible to cover ground pretty quickly.
I got embarrassed by a new Porsche Boxter last night on a dual-carriage way :embarrassed: Admittedly I'm not taking it over 3k and taking it steady at the moment but the way that thing screamed off into the distance was bl00dy impressive!
I think where the GTD excels is being a comfortable, everyday car but with enough power and great handling to make decent progress.
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I know the engine will loosen off, but my initial thoughts are that you are not going to be killing people in 'at the lights' races. There are def 2 changes required to get the most out of the car (1 to 2 and 2 to 3) to 60 and if you get outwith the main torque band by over revving there is a noticeable drop in power.
In 3rd and 4th them pull is really quite something. You can find yourself going lose your license speeds. The worrying thing is you feel like you are sitting at 40!
This is what I've found too. I've found that keeping it between 1900 - 3000 rpm in 3rd/4th/5th it's possible to cover ground pretty quickly.
I got embarrassed by a new Porsche Boxter last night on a dual-carriage way :embarrassed: Admittedly I'm not taking it over 3k and taking it steady at the moment but the way that thing screamed off into the distance was bl00dy impressive!
I think where the GTD excels is being a comfortable, everyday car but with enough power and great handling to make decent progress.
That is what you get exactly in performance diesel in that it might not be a true hot hatch but it is still entertainingly fast with that lovely torque rush which once you are totally in tune with the car and how it delivers it's performance you ride that wave innately - definitely drive it differently than would a petrol in how get the performance.
As my engines loosened up I found the revs you can take the accelleration up to increases before needing to change.
Not much will embarrass you on a road still and I would not call having a Porsche Boxter blast by an embarrassment as not anything I would pitch GTD at.
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That is what you get exactly in performance diesel in that it might not be a true hot hatch but it is still entertainingly fast with that lovely torque rush which once you are totally in tune with the car and how it delivers it's performance you ride that wave innately - definitely drive it differently than would a petrol in how get the performance.
As my engines loosened up I found the revs you can take the accelleration up to increases before needing to change.
Not much will embarrass you on a road still and I would not call having a Porsche Boxter blast by an embarrassment as not anything I would pitch GTD at.
The point here is they are cars that you can cover round in quite quickly without having to try too hard - they are typically very relaxed, if relatively uninvolving, cars to drive cross country.
Frankly, I find the power delivery (of turbo diesels) quite dull compared to a (especially normally aspirated) petrol engine; however, for my requirements, a well equipped, comfortable company car with low emissions and reasonable performance that, when I have the opportunity to press on cross country, will offer enough entertainment then I think there's little to beat the GTD.
If you are looking for a performance car, then look elsewhere... for similar or (significantly) less money you could buy some serious performance... but, there's always a compromise... fuel consumption is one which, if you do a lot of miles, could be significant...
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That is what you get exactly in performance diesel in that it might not be a true hot hatch but it is still entertainingly fast with that lovely torque rush which once you are totally in tune with the car and how it delivers it's performance you ride that wave innately - definitely drive it differently than would a petrol in how get the performance.
As my engines loosened up I found the revs you can take the accelleration up to increases before needing to change.
Not much will embarrass you on a road still and I would not call having a Porsche Boxter blast by an embarrassment as not anything I would pitch GTD at.
The point here is they are cars that you can cover round in quite quickly without having to try too hard - they are typically very relaxed, if relatively uninvolving, cars to drive cross country.
Frankly, I find the power delivery (of turbo diesels) quite dull compared to a (especially normally aspirated) petrol engine; however, for my requirements, a well equipped, comfortable company car with low emissions and reasonable performance that, when I have the opportunity to press on cross country, will offer enough entertainment then I think there's little to beat the GTD.
If you are looking for a performance car, then look elsewhere... for similar or (significantly) less money you could buy some serious performance... but, there's always a compromise... fuel consumption is one which, if you do a lot of miles, could be significant...
Think you nailed it there in describing in that when people talk up the diesel performance it is not because they think the petrol engines do not give better performance it is because they have other considerations that make the diesel their choice and they then go onto describe the very decent performance you can get still
Fom my perspective I do genuinely not think it is dull, the torque rush is something I have grown to love and as I am so in tune with the performance band I ride it as second nature now and in doing so get the max out of it.
If I had an expectation and was to drive it like a petrol however I would probably be disappointed as it loses it's impetus at redline.
Always admitted if had the choice it would be GTI or R without question but if it has to be a diesel then may as well get one of best out there :)
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Having driven an M3 in the past the power delivery is a different kind, but great fun and effortless.
It's more engaging when you hit the power when passing someone who is also trying to keep up, and when you see the other car huffing and squealing to try an keep up while you hardly break a sweat, that's when it's most fun. (And you realise how much power the thing actually has on a rolling road).
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Faster than a 1?d. :smiley:
After all my chat about you will not "destroy cars at the light races", I pulled up at the lights to a stationary unmarked 1 series. Had the kit and alloys, so was def an m sport of some description. I couldn't resist when he started revving his engine (no mistaking it was a diesel). Decent race through first and to an extent second, but in 3rd the gtd pulled away easy. My heart says 120d my head is 116d :-)
Drove for 2 hours more on Scottish roads up north. Covers the ground in a nondescript manner at really impressive speeds.I know it us probably a more petrol thing but for all the diesel torque, my favourite was putting that Beemer in it's place!
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Faster than a 1?d. :smiley:
After all my chat about you will not "destroy cars at the light races", I pulled up at the lights to a stationary unmarked 1 series. Had the kit and alloys, so was def an m sport of some description. I couldn't resist when he started revving his engine (no mistaking it was a diesel). Decent race through first and to an extent second, but in 3rd the gtd pulled away easy. My heart says 120d my head is 116d :-)
Drove for 2 hours more on Scottish roads up north. Covers the ground in a nondescript manner at really impressive speeds.I know it us probably a more petrol thing but for all the diesel torque, my favourite was putting that Beemer in it's place!
The gtd would sh*t all over a 116d...I've had one few years back for six months. Not only was it awful it was so god damn slow.
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WHO WOULD GET A 116D for speed.....and vs a 2.0gtd.....thats like comparing the merc a450 amg with the vw gti......
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Just to be clear I wasn't comparing a 116d to my gtd.
Was just saying, a race at the lights last night provided a very clear win for the golf. The bmw looked the part but was unmarked. Due to the difference I assume it was a 116d rather than a 120d. The guy was definitely trying and I'm not sure that the result would have been the same had it been a 120d M Sport.
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Get a car reg checker to confirm what it is you wasted :grin: :grin:
120's come in a couple of varieties so it could have been a 140bhp
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Opened her up for the first time today...this is not the "best"or most powerful car I have had but boy does it put speed on quickly on the go. Check your speed, accelerate, check your speed again and you're plus 25 to 30 mph....it's so effortless tho, need to keep an eye on your licence.
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really can't understand people going on about speed this and that and 0-60 this. if you want to race people do it on a track. you buy a car for its refinement (or most do) not to rag the a4se end off it at every set of lights just to put the nob in the bmw in his place. the gtd is the best car I've had but if I wanted something faster I wouldn't have bought it.
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I would think that people buy a gtd using a number of considerations and speed most definitely being one of the major reasons. Hot hatch performance with good fuel economy is how the car is marketed by VW. I don't think it is any coincidence that the most popular threads in the gtd section is 'what mpg are you getting', 'how fast is it' and 'does the tuning box make it faster'.
My purchase was based on just how good looking the car is, the fact that it is a really nice place to be while driving, that i should be able to drive it up and down the motor way at 50mpg + and when the mood takes, i can use the cars performance throw it into corners and put a smile on my face.
Maybe it is just me.
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I would think that people buy a gtd using a number of considerations and speed most definitely being one of the major reasons. Hot hatch performance with good fuel economy is how the car is marketed by VW. I don't think it is any coincidence that the most popular threads in the gtd section is 'what mpg are you getting', 'how fast is it' and 'does the tuning box make it faster'.
My purchase was based on just how good looking the car is, the fact that it is a really nice place to be while driving, that i should be able to drive it up and down the motor way at 50mpg + and when the mood takes, i can use the cars performance throw it into corners and put a smile on my face.
Maybe it is just me.
Couldnt agree more! Out of interest where did you order your car, Eastern on the Gorgie Road?
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I used to have a bmw e46 330i sport saloon. Brilliant car, bu it got to that stage when it was costing more than the car was worth. Decided that PCH was best for me and spent ages looking round the internet for somethtotallyffordable and yet close to the fun the old bmw gave me. I've never had a golf or a vw for that matter, but the gtd was the only thing I could afford that I thought would be fast and insurance plus pump friendly.
Long story short, but my car is through inchcape Chester. I do wonder if going to my local dealer - vw on gorgie road as you said - would have been a better solution.
By the by, used to cycle past when I was car less. At least 6 gti/gtd have come out of gorgie road Edinburgh. The tornado red in real life looks amazing. Have to admit though, for flat black and no extras, I thinkit totally works.