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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: bobalog2000 on 16 October 2003, 12:33

Title: 150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: bobalog2000 on 16 October 2003, 12:33

I am considering buying a GTI 1.8T, or a V5. I am having trouble finding out when the V5 changes from 150 to 170bhp, or in the GTI, from 150bhp or 180bhp.

Any help would be most appreciated,

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: kniterider on 16 October 2003, 16:51

when the golf mk4 first came out there was the following,

1.8 20v non turbo gti, 5 speed (125 bhp)

 afew months later came the:

1.8 20v turbo gti, 5 speed (150 bhp)

then various others have come along throught the years,

i think, the V5 has always been

2.3l 20v 170 bhp,6 speed,  ive not heard of any other power rating (standard) from vw

then the 1.8 20v turbo gti (180 bhp) 6 speed,

dont forget the diesels!, theres a 130tdi gti pd and a 150tdi gti pd, oh yeah and when they stopped making the 1.8 20v non turbo they replaced it with the 2.0 8v (115 bhp) also theres the V6 4 motion which is 4wd, 2.8 v6(204 bhp), hope this is of some help but it is hard to deterine the exact years that each model came about and there power outputs as quite a few on the uk roads are imports!,  ::)

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: jasonpi on 16 October 2003, 22:30

forgot the r32

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: kniterider on 17 October 2003, 09:12

yep did forget the 32, hard to forget really! in a different league to the others!, hell would sell me house and live in a caravan to have me one of those!,

3.2 v6, 4 wheel drive, 6 speed (240 bhp), the ultimate!

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: Gambit on 17 October 2003, 09:16

there is also a mk4 2.0 8v GTi which is only 115bhp (and i aint get confused with the mk3)

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: kniterider on 17 October 2003, 09:38

yep know theres a 2.0 8v ive already spoke about it, it took over from the 1.8 20 non turbo model

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: Gambit on 17 October 2003, 11:29

so u did!! missed that bit!!

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: Nimrod on 21 October 2003, 09:07

The V5 WAS originally 150 bhp when released in November 1998.

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: kniterider on 21 October 2003, 16:49

ok matey what ever, hey this thread aint for people to start tellin me im wrong!, no v5 launch in 98, think it was 2000 for ik model, they may be some imports earlier, seems silly really , vw doing a 1.8 t 150bhp and a 150bhp 2.3 v5? havent heard of it my self thoughtthey were all 170 bhp 6 speed jobbies, happy to admit i may be wrong as i did in ist rply, as uk models and imports sometimes vary on power and launch dates ;D

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: harvey_tim on 22 October 2003, 09:26

Hi

I have recently bought a V5 and as far as I am aware, they changed from 150 to 170 in early 2001.  So Y reg onwards should all be 170,  X reg could be either and W or below will all be 150.  I have no idea how you can actually distinguish between the 2.

I believe the engine difference is that the earlier 150 models used a 10 valve head and the 2001 onwards were upgraded with a 20v head.

Hope this helps.

Tim

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: kniterider on 23 October 2003, 22:23

not meaning too be stupid but i thought they were all labeled v5 20v????????

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: harvey_tim on 24 October 2003, 09:48

Check out this link that has many technical details of the V (& W) type Volkwagen engines - its well worth a read if you are interested :

http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/engine/tech_engine_packaging.htm (http://autozine.kyul.net/technical_school/engine/tech_engine_packaging.htm)

Also these are the power & torque figures that I have found on another site for the V5 & V6 engines in both 10/12 and 20/24 valve versions :

V5 2.3 10V 150PS 151lbft
V6 2.8 12V 174PS 172lbft (mk3)

V5 2.3 20V 170PS 162lbft
V6 2.8 24V 204PS 199lbft
V6 3.2 24V 241PS 236lbft

When I was at a dealers (non VW) he looked up the V5 in a book which detailed all of the changes over the years and it specifed 150bhp at launch and 170bhp in 2001 - not sure if it stated the no. of valves.  

I dont claim to be an expert on this subject - this is just information I have found out when I was looking for a V5.

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: kniterider on 24 October 2003, 20:51

nahme no megaexpert! know a bit but all the models and years get a bit confusing, new one on me that there was a 10v v5!, oh well at least who ever posted this thread has got a full on lowdown on all the pwoer outputs now!!!!!!!!!!!1

Title: Re:150bhp or 170bhp?
Post by: Franko180 on 31 October 2003, 13:30

I've had 3 Mk4 golfs now, started with an S-Plate GTi 1.8T 150, then a W-plate (2000) 1.8T 150, now I've got an 03' 1.8T 180 (I'll post some more about this car later, been meaning to for ages).

This  April me and a guy at work swapped cars for the night, he had my 1.8t 150 and I had his V5 150. This car was a W-Reg (2000) model. Generally my 1.8T had a noticable edge in performance, but the V5 does sound really nice, has that V6 like howl. Other plus points on the older V5's compared to older 1.8T are the fact that even with standard options it does have more equipment on board (climate control, auto dipping rear view mirror etc).

Overal I would always go for the 1.8T due to being able to have the ECU upgraded to 200+Bhp for relatively low cost for the performance.