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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: t-dub1902 on 15 September 2013, 15:06
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Hi guys
I have a abf in at the moment but its only half a job still running on k jet injectors
When it comes to get parts for the car i dont know if ots for the mk2 or mk3
Engines not running the best either so im.biting the bullet and going down the 1.8 20vt route
I just advice on what id need to make the conversion to a reasonable standard
Abvoiusly engine and all auxillires and gearbox manifold
Would i need to make any other adjustments to the car or is it failry easy??
Ideally want 180bhp engine but i know theres a 225bhp engine
Is the 225 harder to fit and need more adjustments??
Any advice on what needs to be done would be appreicated
Cheers boys!
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The agu engine is 150 bhp but many have them tuned to around 215
The Bam engine is 225 bhp but is significantly more expensive to buy
The AUQ engine is the standard 180bhp.
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Cheers for the response i have been told the 150bhp out of a ibiza is pretty much a straight swap is this true??
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The aug engine is a straight swap which is found in the Ibiza, a3 and pre 2002 mk4 golf I think.
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Ah i see so if i got engine and box with auxilliries and manifold ot would be straight swap no adjustments on engine mounts and sub frame??
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Nothing is ever that easy. Check out this guide and look for a few others using the search function
http://www.conrod.co.uk/20v1.html
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So why is it so crap on kjet then?
I'm curious because it was only last week people were on here making out its easy to live with compared to digifant
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The weather's changed. :grin:
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I just think k jets old school looks wicked when you see it in the bay but its well over 20years old isent going to be purrong like a kitteb any more is it?? Besides i broight my golf in all intentions of putting a more modern engine in..
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Simple answer is that if the K-jet is set up properly it is a strong set-up that has good power delivery. A poorly set-up system is as above, poop. Lots of guys running ABF on K-jet and having had both in the past the K-jet done right is both period looking and miles better fun to drive
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Simple answer is that if the K-jet is set up properly it is a strong set-up that has good power delivery.
Until the weather changes, or the fuel is a different grade or someone looks at one of the mechanical components a bit funny.
K-jet done right is both period looking and miles better fun to drive
Period looking? WTF? Digifant is 'period looking' too - let's face it, it was fitted to the cars, in the period! 'Miles better to drive' - what a bollocks, subjective comment that is. Digi3.2 has sharp throttle response, delivers buckets of power and has far less (virtually nothing) mechanical to go wrong. What could be nicer to drive than that, aside from finding out that if you don't spank it, it returns bloody good fuel economy, too.
To the OP - the biggest gotcha on the 20VT set up is the reverse switch on the gearbox if you're using a cable-actuated clutch and the cam-cover on the brake master cylinder. It's all pretty much bolt up/splice in otherwise.
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I done my last year your need deep pockets as well after i done it i resented it and sold it because how much money is spent on it ,, you will need engine loom decide if you want a hydro clutch or cable then decide on what gear box you want.. I blotted the 8v box back on to keep the rod change at the same time new clutch that gearbox lasted a month .. So I converted to cable clutch and sourced a mk3 gti 16v box abf with clutch flywheel and started motor and gear linkages . Once I done that car felt so much slower with the longer gear ratios with the 8v box it pissed all over my mates 260bhp lcr with the abf box on it struggled to beat my other mates 172 clio sport at this time i had enough .. You will also have to fit a down pipe and get a exhaust fabricated, i sourced a 2nd qpeng down pipe had a straight through b-pipe mated to a omp back box ... There will be loads of niggles had to change inner fuel pump ect as well cost me just over 2k to convert mine
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Lookly ive got a mechanic friend who said hes confidant on doing the conversion im jist going to buy a obiza cupra whole car and use engine and box off that, ger a 4-1 manifold ko4 turbo all second hand obvoisuly
Dont get me wrong will cost a fair bit but plan on keeping the golf im a painter by trade so full respray and inside wngine baywhist out its in royal blue and keeping to original colour :)
Just need donor car
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Hey
Its does not have to be real expensive, although define "expensive" ?
i got a...
ARY (180bhp ) complete engine minus gearbox for £400 delivered
A3 gearbox £100
Mk2/mk4 spliced loom off of Ebay £80 (kk i was lucky)
K04 complete conversion kit £350
Would have cost me this total for a bare BAM engine. Which ofc would have needed much more spent on it.
Although it does not stop there. You have the questions of, do you do head gasket while its out of the car? not bad if you do yourself, then there's the cam belt/water pump, £100 plus just for parts, again ok if you do yourself.
G60 fly wheel + VR6 clutch ( unless you wanna keep the DMF )
Upgraded brakes you WILL need.
New suspension/sub frame bushes etc..
Do you want more than the 150-180bhp, ofc you will, if not you might as well keep the ABF engine. So that's another few hundred+ for a remap and associated new/upgraded parts.
No point mapping a tired engine or components.
The other thing people forget is TIME. Ive spent over a year sourcing the best parts i could afford ( which is not a lot. Im a working father of two kids and a high maintenance wife :P ). Most of that year ive been having fun :rolleyes: reading wiring diagrams for the mk2/3 ( as my mk2 has an ABF also ) and mk4 golf and audi TT ( ARY engine is out of a TT ). Oh the joy.
All info is out there on the net, just take your time and look around there's a lot of good people who are willing to help out. Many guides and part lists etc.
Also as your going the k04 route also make sure you get the different turbo bracket, different oil/water pipes, bam injectors charge pipes, I/C. Down pipes seem to be very highly priced also.
The above posts ( a few up ) problems can be alleviated by swapping to hydro clutch with Corrado pedal box and parts and the cam belt cover hitting the MC can be fixed by putting the MC on the off side ( easy move ) or by using a passat diesel rear mount.(easier) Look it up its all out there on the web.
All the best with the transfer mate. Ill be swapping my engine in after Christmas when my job is more quiet. I will try help where i can.
As a side note: I see mk2's on the bay with BAM/BAM spec engines up for 4-5k. :shocked:
All the best.
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Cam belt cover hitting the MC can be fixed by putting the MC on the off side ( easy move )
Could you explain this, possibly with a picture, please?
This is something I'm in the middle of swearing at on a conversion we're doing.
Also - the Passat diesel mount - Golf2 or 3 subframe fitment? Any chance of a shot of it?
Always keen to learn from others experiences to save us all time later!
Cheers!
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Or turbocharge the 16v :lipsrsealed:
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I done my last year your need deep pockets as well after i done it i resented it and sold it because how much money is spent on it
Listen to this man and don't bother, this is sense.
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Removed. Change of plan.
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Or turbocharge the 16v :lipsrsealed:
Yer cos that ends well :cry: :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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It just needs proper management, Sam. :tongue:
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16vT. The thinking mans 20vT.
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The rich man's 20VT!
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I plan on keeping the golf so even if i spend a few grand will be worth it due to mk2 will only go up in price as more are being smashed up and people are breaking them lol
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Love How the mk2 looks and handles but it's not fast enough. 20vt is a no brainer if you plan on keeping the car.