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Title: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 19 August 2013, 20:22
hello fellas ive just done the n249 bypass and when i release off the trottle i get the chatter and not a clean pssst if you know what i mean i have got the forge 007p


Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: davemk4 on 19 August 2013, 20:46
Have the fitted the 1 way valve right way round?
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 19 August 2013, 20:53
mine done the exact same thing, I was told unless it sounds as bad as this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O83h9a_K3GY
then its nothing to worry about  :cool:
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Screech16v on 19 August 2013, 22:26
Mine sounded exactly like this until I replaced my broken standard dv.
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 20 August 2013, 06:55
mine done the exact same thing, I was told unless it sounds as bad as this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O83h9a_K3GY
then its nothing to worry about  :cool:

omg it does sound like this!!!!
what is the damage im doing to my turbo??
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 20 August 2013, 07:15
Well the sound is the air going back thru the turbo and stalling it. The research I did suggested this could brake the turbo over time.
* what DV you got?
* what spring?
* do you have it reversed?
* if you got the 007p does it have the upgraded piston?
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: davemk4 on 20 August 2013, 09:48
The tone of my dv changed after bypass more chatter/flutter sound but nothing like that video lol
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 20 August 2013, 10:13
Well the sound is the air going back thru the turbo and stalling it. The research I did suggested this could brake the turbo over time.
* what DV you got?
* what spring?
* do you have it reversed?
* if you got the 007p does it have the upgraded piston?
I've got the 007p with yellow spring and its the right way round
And how do I know if I've got the updated piston??
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 20 August 2013, 11:42
the old one has a dent in the bottom where as the new one is flat and the new one has a rubber seal onit
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: sharki786 on 20 August 2013, 12:48
Does the spring go 1 way or are you on about the actual dv?

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/shako786/20130815_175754_HDR_zpsb4a29f78.jpg) (http://s323.photobucket.com/user/shako786/media/20130815_175754_HDR_zpsb4a29f78.jpg.html)
Thats the revised piston
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 20 August 2013, 16:10
thats the one
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 20 August 2013, 16:38
i have the old 1 then :( how much for the new one??
and where from :) ??

Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 20 August 2013, 20:39
Ring forge and ask to buy a service kit. Tell them why they might send it for free like they did for ,e :)
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 21 August 2013, 08:46
blimey cheers buddy :)
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 21 August 2013, 09:03
Your welcome, keep us updated
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Prawny on 21 August 2013, 10:57
this many posts and nobody has stated the bleeding obvious?

if it didn't chatter before you did the n249 bypass, and it does chatter now, it's really very simple.

You've done something wrong chap, and plumbed it in incorrectly.

it's that simple, no ifs or buts, if it sounded right before, and it now doesn't, you've done it wrong.
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rio_gti on 21 August 2013, 17:02
this many posts and nobody has stated the bleeding obvious?

if it didn't chatter before you did the n249 bypass, and it does chatter now, it's really very simple.

You've done something wrong chap, and plumbed it in incorrectly.

it's that simple, no ifs or buts, if it sounded right before, and it now doesn't, you've done it wrong.

haha sounds about right!!! mans stating the obvious!!!
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: ShauniiBoii on 21 August 2013, 17:20
this many posts and nobody has stated the bleeding obvious?

if it didn't chatter before you did the n249 bypass, and it does chatter now, it's really very simple.

You've done something wrong chap, and plumbed it in incorrectly.

it's that simple, no ifs or buts, if it sounded right before, and it now doesn't, you've done it wrong.


haha eh duh :P

for as bad as it is turbo flutter does sound awesome personally lol
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 21 August 2013, 17:42
ive double checked and done it twice now, the reason i did the n249 delete is because i had a boost leak from turbo to thottle body, many people suggested doing this to get rid/replace certain vacuum lines now the leak is still there which only possible thing i can thing of is the 007p and with lads saying there was a cock up with the piston maybe it might be the 007p

and nino i ended up getting it for free too :D
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 21 August 2013, 22:13
Sweet, make sure you clean out the old grease and change all the rubber rings. Also, do you have your DV plumbed in to the same line that shares the FPR? if so move it, try and plumb the DV so as a direct line as possible I.E .....

DV -------------> inlet manifold.
Or
DV -------------> one way valve -------> inlet manifold.

Not

DV -------------> FPR -----> boost gauge -------> inlet manifold.

Hope that makes sence, mine was 100% plumbed correctly but was a lot worse than it is now, but I originally plumbed it like step 3 now its ether step one or step 2 and it now does not flutter but at the same time it's not the pssssst it used to be, had it looked at and it's fine :)
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: davemk4 on 21 August 2013, 22:27
hmmmmmmmmmm i t pieced my inlet mani---- DV-- to a boost gauge............ is this not reccomended then?
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 21 August 2013, 23:05
Best not to limited the DV line tbh
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: davemk4 on 22 August 2013, 06:27
Where else can i take boost gauge feed from then? My dv goes to inlet mani pipe the one underneath to the right
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Prawny on 22 August 2013, 06:52
Boost gauge SHOULD T into the dv line. It's either that or the fpr, and the fpr is not the place for it.

I still stand by my original comment. Plumbed up wrongly somehow.
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 22 August 2013, 07:40
I got my boost gauge plumbed into the the FPR and my DV is plumbed in on a different line. Persona,y when I did my install I followed the guide on this website that showed the boost should be plumped into the FPR but when I plumbed the DV into the FPR line with the boost I had a tiny flutter, when I moved the DV to a line that does not have lots onit my flutter stopped.

Now with pawns saying that I'm confused lol  :undecided:
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rio_gti on 22 August 2013, 11:30
just take the boost gauge off to test it works  :whistle:
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: davemk4 on 22 August 2013, 15:05
I followed the guide on here too........ inlet mani to dv then T pieced a boost gauge feed
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Dalo Harkin on 22 August 2013, 15:34
Rather than bypass it - id get some resistors and remove it
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 22 August 2013, 16:32
ok so to prawny theory to the test here a pic of what ive done

ok pipe going from the one way valve goes directly to the manifold...with a T piece to the 007p
the the pipe comming from the n112 goes to the thin metal pipe which i believe is for the Secondry air intake
and my boost guage is run off the throttle body from when i did the carbon canister delete

(http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t395/rfn_hodgson/f0c86b15-48dc-44fe-8fd8-e625f90d1bfc_zpse46577e2.jpg) (http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/rfn_hodgson/media/f0c86b15-48dc-44fe-8fd8-e625f90d1bfc_zpse46577e2.jpg.html)

Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 August 2013, 17:29
I'm saying take the one way valve out, it's probably stopping the DV opening :wink:
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 22 August 2013, 17:36
So remove the one bay valve completely ??
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 August 2013, 20:39
does the end of the one way valve go to the DV?
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: rfn_hodgson on 23 August 2013, 08:18
it T pieces off to the dv yea.... i removed the one way valve completely and its still fluttering also had the new piston put in and ive treble checked that ive done the mod right lol
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Prawny on 23 August 2013, 10:11
Simple question then:

Is there a pipe, currently, that runs from your inlet manifold, straight to the top of the DV?

NO T's, no valves, just a length of 3mm vac pipe, from the inlet nipple to the DV, nowhere else.

Do that now if not, as a test, to confirm the DV is working.
Title: Re: turbo chatter since n249 bypass??
Post by: Nino on 23 August 2013, 10:40
Simple question then:

Is there a pipe, currently, that runs from your inlet manifold, straight to the top of the DV?

NO T's, no valves, just a length of 3mm vac pipe, from the inlet nipple to the DV, nowhere else.

Do that now if not, as a test, to confirm the DV is working.

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