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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: northeast_gti-t on 18 August 2013, 21:33
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As per the title although i love my old 8v and got it mechanically sorted :grin: i can't help looking at the 16v and vr6 ones (started with the 8v to lead onto............ :grin: :rolleyes:) so been searching around quite abit and decided either of these will do just fine so would much appreciate your honest views,opinions,good bad or any other to steer me in the right direction i have an eye on one or two of these :wink:
Thanks in advance.....
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I've always preferred the 16v, untilll I drove a vr6, felt like it pulled a little better, but the main selling point is the noise!!
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16v is the better choice all round, VR is ok but needs deep pockets plus you have to budget for timing chain replacement unless it has been done and it is not cheap.
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I've always preferred the 16v, untilll I drove a vr6, felt like it pulled a little better, but the main selling point is the noise!!
i'm a fan of the 16v but lad near me has a mint vr6 and yes agree the noise is awesome that's what shoved me towards a vr :grin:
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16v is the better choice all round, VR is ok but needs deep pockets plus you have to budget for timing chain replacement unless it has been done and it is not cheap.
Cheers wayne :afro: yes 16v shouldn't be no more to run than my 8v :laugh: just the valver being at 150 as opposed to 115 (standard) makes sense as insurance for either isn't to bad for me,vr i know will be less economical and yep would have to factor in timing chain replacement as you say not cheap even allowing for myself doing the work,the mk3's now a daily/weekend car so average near 200miles a week i think the vr would rape me on fuel even driven ahem sensibly :lipsrsealed:
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16v not far behind vr performance wise,16v will give you 40+mpg,16v engine is lighter so less understeer
Vr sounds good,its a no brainer :whistle:
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16v not far behind vr performance wise,16v will give you 40+mpg,16v engine is lighter so less understeer
Vr sounds good,its a no brainer :whistle:
Cheers screech :afro: some valid points there i forgot about :laugh:
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I had an 8v for 1 year and now moved to a 16v it does cost a little bit more to run a 16v the gear box is alot better and its nice to have a hydraulic clutch and cable change box alot faster acceleration and keeps up with modern cars and few mods can achieve reasonable power its worth getting a 16v
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16v for me as well, I can't justify the extra fuel costs, poorer handling and higher insurance for the sake of a nicer sounding engine and not much more bang for your buck from the VR6.
my fuel and insurance costs on the 16v basically stayed the same when transferring over from my last 8v so why wouldn't you grab another 35bhp for next to nowt?
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Ive had 8v gti (cammed) 16v and a vr6.
16v wins for me. It handles best and is not much slower than a vr6 in a straight line. Heck, if you get in a vr6 slip stream it will tow you along with it.
I can drive a 16v faster a to b than a vr6.
Vr6 costs more in insurance and fuel and all that extra because it sounds good???
If I was to get another mk3 it would only be a 16v
vr6 engine should of never been put in that chassis, its heavy and infront of the front wheels. Worst position possible for handling.
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Drove both and chose the 16v,
Don't forget the cam chain cost on the VR....
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I had an 8v for 1 year and now moved to a 16v it does cost a little bit more to run a 16v the gear box is alot better and its nice to have a hydraulic clutch and cable change box alot faster acceleration and keeps up with modern cars and few mods can achieve reasonable power its worth getting a 16v
16v for me as well, I can't justify the extra fuel costs, poorer handling and higher insurance for the sake of a nicer sounding engine and not much more bang for your buck from the VR6.
my fuel and insurance costs on the 16v basically stayed the same when transferring over from my last 8v so why wouldn't you grab another 35bhp for next to nowt?
Ive had 8v gti (cammed) 16v and a vr6.
16v wins for me. It handles best and is not much slower than a vr6 in a straight line. Heck, if you get in a vr6 slip stream it will tow you along with it.
I can drive a 16v faster a to b than a vr6.
Vr6 costs more in insurance and fuel and all that extra because it sounds good???
If I was to get another mk3 it would only be a 16v
vr6 engine should of never been put in that chassis, its heavy and infront of the front wheels. Worst position possible for handling.
Drove both and chose the 16v,
Don't forget the cam chain cost on the VR....
Thanks everyone for all your help and advise i have weighed up all your opinions and 16v is the way to go so the search begins :wink: :afro:
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keep an eye out on bargains I paid £500 for my 16v with 110k on the clock. I fixed the tensioner, next is the abs pump and passenger rear window 1 spot of rust just above the window I then sold my 8v for £630 so was way worth get a valver :)
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keep an eye out on bargains I paid £500 for my 16v with 110k on the clock. I fixed the tensioner, next is the abs pump and passenger rear window 1 spot of rust just above the window I then sold my 8v for £630 so was way worth get a valver :)
Will be doing :wink: just got out bid on one :angry:,will be be selling my 8v eventually to
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If yours is tidy why not convert it.
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If yours is tidy why not convert it.
I thought of that option too Wayne mines mainly bodywork left now to do i guess its an option all the same but on the search for a valver tho :grin:
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16v for me. Couple of bits and bobs on it and you're only 15hp or so down from a VR6, and much lighter.
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Where are the vr6 boys defending there machines .........they know :grin:
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Where are the vr6 boys defending there machines .........they know :grin:
:embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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If i had to choose again and could afford one i would not consider anything but a VR again.I would never have a 16v again as the power difference just was'nt worth the extra fuel and insurance,too much revving to get anything useable.I certainly would'nt convert an 8v to a 16v just not worth it.If buying a VR6 look for a well serviced late model with the mk4 timing chain guides.I just stripped mine after 150k and guides have virtually no wear at all (See http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4054146-DIY-MKIV-VR6-Headgasket-Replacement-Reinstallation).Regular servicing and inspection is a must on a VR,they certainly ai'nt like an 8v where you can check under the bonnet every 6 months and just wash and check tyre pressures.Engines run hot in a small area so if you get a leak things can go very wrong very quickly.Cost of running a VR is high compared to an 8v but when you drive a good one you will wonder what you ever saw in an 8v !.In my VR i can poodle around in 5th at 30 mph no problem and i do'nt have to change gear if i want to get anywhere,i just floor it and it's there.Iv'e had 2 8v's,a 16v,a vr and now (not through choice) i'm running another 8v colour concept but my VR will be back soon !!!!.
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You can poodle around at 22mph in 5th in all gtis
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No question 16v. End of debate :cool:
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How about a Mk2 16v....
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Depends what you want the car for and how you drive. Your not going to come across understeer in a vr unless your driving like a lunatic which you won't be on the public roads. 16 valves will see you changing gear alot under normal driving whereas a vr will go everywhere in 5th gear if you want it to. Vr is the better cruiser by a long way, feels nicer to drive and the engine gives off far less vibrations than a 16v. Best engine for the mk3. Chains are only expensive if your paying someone else to fit them and the vr engine is pretty simple to work on. All in all the vr6 is a far better car than a valver but will cost you more to buy, insure and run.
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Exactly, :grin: times a thousand. Mr Northeast_gti-t glad you have taken the
CORRECT advice with the 16v, 100% correct decision my friend :smiley:
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Your not going to come across understeer in a vr unless your driving like a lunatic which you won't be on the public roads.
What?
Unless you drive like you are taking your gran to church, you will suffer understeer most days in a VR6, wet or dry.
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Chains are only expensive if your paying someone else to fit them and the vr engine is pretty simple to work on.
Most people will have to pay to sort the chains as it is a complex job, VR engine is far from simple to work on tbh.
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Your not going to come across understeer in a vr unless your driving like a lunatic which you won't be on the public roads.
What?
Unless you drive like you are taking your gran to church, you will suffer understeer most days in a VR6, wet or dry.
Most days lol? Well ive had mine a year and never had any issues with understeer in the wet or dry. You go into any corner in the wet in any gti to quick your gonna get it though. Understeer is the fault of the driver more than the car under normal driving conditions. However, on a track, on its limits - a 16v would be the better choice.
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Chains are only expensive if your paying someone else to fit them and the vr engine is pretty simple to work on.
Most people will have to pay to sort the chains as it is a complex job, VR engine is far from simple to work on tbh.
Guess its all about competence and the tools you have at hand. I find them fairly simple compared to other engines i've worked on.
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Chains are only expensive if your paying someone else to fit them and the vr engine is pretty simple to work on.
Most people will have to pay to sort the chains as it is a complex job, VR engine is far from simple to work on tbh.
maybe jamo is just a better mechanic than you wayne :grin:
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northeast has lost his marbles he only gone and bought a 2.0 mk4 :grin:
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:shocked:
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Most days lol? Well ive had mine a year and never had any issues with understeer in the wet or dry. You go into any corner in the wet in any gti to quick your gonna get it though. Understeer is the fault of the driver more than the car under normal driving conditions. However, on a track, on its limits - a 16v would be the better choice.
Ahh...so it's my driving?
My Mk3 doesn't understeer...
Nor does my Mk5...
Or my Mk6.
So how come they don't understeer with me driving, but a VR6 does?
Funny...all the reviews at the time commented on the VR6 understeering...maybe you have a very special VR6...you sure it's actually a VR6?
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Your golf's= :cool:
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Most days lol? Well ive had mine a year and never had any issues with understeer in the wet or dry. You go into any corner in the wet in any gti to quick your gonna get it though. Understeer is the fault of the driver more than the car under normal driving conditions. However, on a track, on its limits - a 16v would be the better choice.
Ahh...so it's my driving?
My Mk3 doesn't understeer...
Nor does my Mk5...
Or my Mk6.
So how come they don't understeer with me driving, but a VR6 does?
Funny...all the reviews at the time commented on the VR6 understeering...maybe you have a very special VR6...you sure it's actually a VR6?
Didn't say that...and yes it is. Just saying I don't encounter understeer in it under normal driving. Its nothing special, is fully poly bushed at the front, has ap coilovers and runs on 15" corrado speedlines with 205/50 conti sports. I wouldn't say i boot it everywhere as I want to look afer it because it not a rot box but do like to open it up a bit on the country roads although never to its limits. Obviously, with the heavier engine at the front, its more likely to understeer if pushed to hard into a corner just like all cars fwd cars do. Its just another thing you have to take into account and compensate for. Doesn't mean its going to straight on at every corner. The drivers still in charge of how the car behaves. Anyway since the op has ditched both options and got him self a 2.0 Mk4 this thread is done i think.
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northeast has lost his marbles he only gone and bought a 2.0 mk4 :grin:
Oh dear
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the sound of a vr6 turns me on more that any woman :grin:
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Shame about performance/handling
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i dont treat every road like im in a rally so performance is good enough for pissing peple off tha think there car goes quicker than mine as m 18 and its my first car :grin: and handing fine as i havnt drove anything better to compre it to :smiley:
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every one knows you can't beat a 1.8t mk3 (shame it's about £2k+ to convert one!),
I might vr6 or 1.8t my 8v :lipsrsealed:
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I'd suggest driving both and deciding for yourself.
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Exactly...