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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Running Man on 03 August 2013, 18:31
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We all know VW as most other manufacturers are launching new models much earlier than in the past. We know the Mk6 was effectively a heavily facelifted Mk5, plus the different 2.0TSI engine etc.
Total guesswork but the Edition 40 (I'm sure there will be one) should be here in 2016, so Mk8 GTI likely to be 2017 only fours years from now.
The MQB setup will certainly be around for at least 10 years, so will the Mk8 be an evolution all be it predominately a face lift of the Mk7?
I wouldn't be surprised to see 'unofficial' pictures two years from now :undecided:
Point is when is a shelf life of the latest GTI too soon to change again for the next incarnation?
It's all a bit Doctor Who :laugh:
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Drinking this early?
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Drinking this early?
Not sure what you're saying too me, anyway the Mk6 GTI launched in 2009 four years ago, makes sense the Mk8 GTI will launch four years from now, no?
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Drinking this early?
Not sure what you're saying too me, anyway the Mk6 GTI launched in 2009 four years ago, makes sense the Mk8 GTI will launch four years from now, no?
It seems crazy to even discuss something that may or may not start arriving with customers in a five year timeframe.
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There's a very good chance it will, but when you buy depends on what you want. For me, it's not like this GTI will be my last or even penultimate car that I ever buy. Is like technology - something new to replace it will always be coming out, but I just buy what I want when I want it, knowing I can change in the future if/when I want to.
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There's a very good chance it will, but when you buy depends on what you want. For me, it's not like this GTI will be my last or even penultimate car that I ever buy. Is like technology - something new to replace it will always be coming out, but I just buy what I want when I want it, knowing I can change in the future if/when I want to.
That's my point, I agree with you, you didn't buy the Mk6 GTI and are now buying a Mk7 GTI which is what you desire at this point in time.
But......as the change is likely to be every four years for the latest NEW GTI, will that put people off, I don't know I'm just opening it up for debate :smiley:
AAddict - I've been criticised extensively, I take it on the chin, but what if a do have a drink problem or any other problem, should you be insinuating that I'm doing something when you have no idea whatsoever? :smiley:
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AAddict - I've been criticised extensively, I take it on the chin, but what if a do have a drink problem or any other problem, should you be insinuating that I'm doing something when you have no idea whatsoever? :smiley:
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That's my point, I agree with you, you didn't buy the Mk6 GTI and are now buying a Mk7 GTI which is what you desire at this point in time.
But......as the change is likely to be every four years for the latest NEW GTI, will that put people off, I don't know I'm just opening it up for debate :smiley:
Yup, I bought the Mk5 because it was such a huge step up all around, but the Mk6, at least for me, was a bit of a step backward in terms of aesthetics so I skipped it. I didn't intend on buying a Mk7 when I did, but when I saw it I just knew that was the one. Whatever comes out in the future will get due consideration as and when!
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AAddict - I've been criticised extensively, I take it on the chin, but what if a do have a drink problem or any other problem, should you be insinuating that I'm doing something when you have no idea whatsoever? :smiley:
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:wink: Is that you? You look a lot like Mark Wahlberg........you could earn a lot of money as a look alike :laugh: :rolleyes:
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Well - I keep mine for 4 years at a time - and after this times order debacle - I did wonder about getting the order in for the next one now!!!! - I suppose that will be the MK8 !
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I hear ya Running Man. I owned a mk5 then moved to the Scirocco as I didn't like what they did with the Mk6 - massive Touareg rear lights and lumpy design. Not for me. But the mk7 is crisper but still a tad safe.
The thing is with VW they are soooo conservative with the Golfs evolution that the mk8 will just be a tweak of the current design. So, why not drive a mk7 now instead of waiting years and years. That's what I'm doing (when the bloody thing arrives).
For what it's worth I think it will be five years until we start seeing mk8 GTI's on the road.
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I hear ya Running Man. I owned a mk5 then moved to the Scirocco as I didn't like what they did with the Mk6 - massive Touareg rear lights and lumpy design. Not for me. But the mk7 is crisper but still a tad safe.
The thing is with VW they are soooo conservative with the Golfs evolution that the mk8 will just be a tweak of the current design. So, why not drive a mk7 now instead of waiting years and years. That's what I'm doing (when the bloody thing arrives).
For what it's worth I think it will be five years until we start seeing mk8 GTI's on the road.
Good point, I guess we need to live for now :smiley: I'm getting the Mk7 GTI anyway :smiley:
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Slightly silly question, it reminds me of the "who's waiting for the iPhone 8" threads.
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I don't think the ED40 is due until early 2017, and it will be at least 5 years until a mk8 I expect.
I don't think there is any such thing as holding out at this stage. It's merely not buying a mk7.
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I don't think the ED40 is due until early 2017, and it will be at least 5 years until a mk8 I expect.
I don't think there is any such thing as holding out at this stage. It's merely not buying a mk7.
Bill - Order you MK8 now mate - you know how long it takes VW to build em ;)
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I hear ya Running Man. I owned a mk5 then moved to the Scirocco as I didn't like what they did with the Mk6 - massive Touareg rear lights and lumpy design. Not for me. But the mk7 is crisper but still a tad safe.
The thing is with VW they are soooo conservative with the Golfs evolution that the mk8 will just be a tweak of the current design. So, why not drive a mk7 now instead of waiting years and years. That's what I'm doing (when the bloody thing arrives).
For what it's worth I think it will be five years until we start seeing mk8 GTI's on the road.
Exactly my consideration on MK6 vs Scirocco, did not like the MK6 at all. I think it'll be considerably more than 4 years before MK8 is out. MK7 is a big leap, MK6 wasn't.
The biggest motivation for VW to release the MK6 was cost saving. The multilink rear suspension was to expensive and too complex to fit. They massively simplified it and saved hours on the construction times (Honda ditched it completely on the new Civic and knocked about £3k off R-type list price). As well as saving plenty in production costs/time, VW upped the Golf prices massively and placated with a nicer interior but pretty much no more toys (the Scirocco in comparison looked well loaded for similar money).
The MK7 is a proper new car with new tech that won't look old for a good while - I think we'll see 6 to 7 years out of it unless the competition comes on in leap and bounds in the meantime.
I'll probably end up keeping mine for 3 years (maybe 2 if something else takes my fancy in the meantime), although i'd probably keep the GTD longer if the alternative was buying another GTD because I don't want anything else.
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Slightly silly question, it reminds me of the "who's waiting for the iPhone 8" threads.
Not really comparable to a mobile phone.
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I bet there will be a brand new Golf GTI in 2017. Why would VW wait longer?
Development costs obviously.
Edition 40 will be 40 years after the 1st GTI, 1976 - 2016.
It's around Dec 2016 though. Look at the ED30 and ED35. It's unlikely you can have one until Feb-Mar 2017.
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ED30 wasn't available until early '07. ED35 was 2012. ED40, if it happens will be 2017.
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Hey Man-who-Runs ( :smiley: )
I'm with you, pal.
I bought my Mk6 GiT new and thought about the Mk7 GiT. Although, a brilliant car with a great setup etc I have decided to wait for the Mk8 GiT:
a) I'm still in love with my baby, especially after 1st stage remap
b) Cannot justify the additional cost at this moment in time
c) Also cannot justify the similar body-shape with (b) in mind. Although I am biased, I prefer the Mk6 body :wink:
Red
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You can't spend your life waiting for the next product to be released (unless it is really imminent).
I'm getting a MK7 now (apparently) and have not even spared a thought for the MK8. If you take this view, you will be waiting for the MK9 to come out when the 8 is released.
Remember, tomorrow never comes!
Although I am waiting for the iPhone 5C - I want the plastic cover because I am going to have my uncle spray it in VW Oryx White paint to match the car, what a saddo!
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If you wait for next years technology you'll never buy anything or if you do you will probably just regret it and be hankering over its replacement.
Keeping up with technology is a costly business.
VW will be working on the MK8 just now that's for sure.
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Although I am waiting for the iPhone 5C - I want the plastic cover because I am going to have my uncle spray it in VW Oryx White paint to match the car, what a saddo!
Are you joking? That is extreme :grin: :grin:
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Although I am waiting for the iPhone 5C - I want the plastic cover because I am going to have my uncle spray it in VW Oryx White paint to match the car, what a saddo!
Are you joking? That is extreme :grin: :grin:
I hear he's getting all his skirting boards and door frames painted in Oryx too. :whistle:
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Although I am waiting for the iPhone 5C - I want the plastic cover because I am going to have my uncle spray it in VW Oryx White paint to match the car, what a saddo!
Are you joking? That is extreme :grin: :grin:
I hear he's getting all his skirting boards and door frames painted in Oryx too. :whistle:
:grin: :grin: :grin: Oryx white suit as well
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I just think it would look neat have the phone sat in the Brodit holder in a matching colour to the outside.
Then even when you are in the car you get a reminder of how damn cool the colour is from the inside! I will post a picture when it is done.
To be honest I did think about giving him my bicycle frame and forks and having those sprayed the same too.
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*** mighty big thread bump ***
Yeah, I'm holding out for the Mk8 Golf.
I have just paid off my Mk6 GTD. I though I would have it a few years before the Mk7 arrived. It took 9 months to arrive and VW decide to replace the Mk6 after only 4 years. So my new car was the old Golf after about a year. I was slightly p***** off. So I am not taking the chance this time. My current Golf is fine for another year or two.
Apparently the Merc A Class is being updated after just 3 years. It will be interesting to see if VW have moved to a 4 year update cycle. My guess is a new Golf announced at the end of next year, for sale in early 2017. So the Mk8 GTI is still potentially 2 years away.
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To add more fuel to this debate please see the release dates for the Mk7 Golf below; I have used these dates a make an mock release time table to the Mk8 Golf based on a 4 or 5 build cycle. Of course this is all hypothetical and I could be completely wrong!
Golf Mk7 Dates
October 2012 - Mk7 Golf announced with prices and engine details unveiled
November 2012 - Mk7 Golf order books open
February 2013 - First deliveries to UK customers
Summer 2013 - Golf GTI expected to be announced.
Autumn 2013 - First Golf GTI deliveries expected
4 Year build Cycle
October 2016 - Mk8 Golf announced with prices and engine details unveiled
November 2016 - Mk8 Golf order books open
February 2017 - First deliveries to UK customers
Summer 2017 - Golf GTI expected to be announced.
Autumn 2017 - First Golf GTI deliveries expected
5 Year build Cycle
October 2017 - Mk8 Golf announced with prices and engine details unveiled
November 2017 - Mk8 Golf order books open
February 2018 - First deliveries to UK customers
Summer 2018 - Golf GTI expected to be announced.
Autumn 2018 - First Golf GTI deliveries expected
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I would like to add to your prediction chart. The GTI order books opened end of March 2013. So 4 yr plan would see the GTI orders being taken on March (spring) 2017 and the 5 yr plan would see the GTI order book opened on march (spring) 2018.
So we should start seeing something by mid to late 2016... Earilest, fingers crossed :smiley:
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There's a little inaccuracy in the MK7 release dates. My neighbour had a MK7 SE in December 2012, and you could order a GTI/GTD on the 3rd week of March. I think my Dad's GTD was the first one that arrived in the UK and posted on this forum - he picked it up July 1st.
The MK8 is pretty much just going to be a facelift of the MK7, that car was a huge jump in tech, equipment and refinement over the MK5/6, and the MK6 was no great improvement over the MK5 - slightly different styling and marginal output improvements on some of the engines but essentially the same car.
The car industry is going the way of mobile phones, giving you a reason to chop one in every few years even though the generational gains might not be much from one to the next.
Save for ACT tech debuted on the 1.5TSI, there have been very few true technological improvements made to fuel economy in the last 5 years - stop-start gains for mpg have been massively overstated because the test cycle output can be massively affected by it, but real world gains are tiny unless you're shuffling along a gridlocked London road. All the recent improvements have been in weight saving (we're getting thinner body panels - are they really as sturdy as those from VWs of old that were built like tanks?) and connectivity tech (MP3/BT/Phone integration).
I'd likely be more peeved I bought a MK6 just before the MK7 came out, rather than buying a MK7 just before the MK8 came out.
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I think my Dad's GTD was the first one that arrived in the UK and posted on this forum - he picked it up July 1st.
...MK7, that car was a huge jump in tech, equipment and refinement over the MK5/6, and the MK6 was no great improvement over the MK5 - slightly different styling and marginal output improvements on some of the engines but essentially the same car.
...there have been very few true technological improvements made to fuel economy in the last 5 years - stop-start gains for mpg have been massively overstated because the test cycle output can be massively affected by it, but real world gains are tiny...
I'd likely be more peeved I bought a MK6 just before the MK7 came out, rather than buying a MK7 just before the MK8 came out.
A few months ago, I had the Mk7 out for a weekend test drive. It was silver the same as my car. Most visitors didn't even realise it was a different car to my Mk6. All they saw was another silver Golf. It even had a different number of doors. Not sure whether that says more about the visitors or the style changes to the Mk7. I guess if you are not really into your cars the Mk7 is just another Golf.
On paper the new GTD is a lot more economical than the old one. However, in real world driving people are saying that the Mk7 does not seem to get anywhere near the manufacturer claimed mpg figures. We have also noticed this with our new A3 and it has 25k miles on it now.
I read that there will be a new European fuel economy test introduced in 2020. This will test real world mpg figures more accurately. So I am hoping that the Mk8 cars will see a significant real world jump in miles per gallon. That would peeve me if I bought a Mk7 just before Mk8 with better smiles per gallon.
For a test drive we decided to take the Mk7 GTD over our local mountain to the coast to get lunch. It is a lovely scenic run. The road is wide with white lines down the middle. My wife immediately noted how much firmer the suspension is than my old Mk6 with the suspension set to comfort and 17 inch Goodyear tyres. By the time we arrived for lunch she felt travel sick. Not sure what that says about the Mk7 GTD suspension or my driving :undecided: She hated the comfort. I loved the handling. :evil: Especially liked the progressive steering in tight corners. I was made go home another road, even though I promised to go slower. Frankly, I was disappointed. Having a Mk6, I expected the Mk7 to be more comfortable. Though it definitely handles better if you only drive on good roads or race tracks. When we arrived home, I actually checked the tyre pressures and had a look to see if the transport pucks had been removed out of the suspension. All 4 tyres were under-inflated at 32 psi.
I have read good things about the new DCC adjustable suspension.
No doubt the Mk7 is a better car. Just not that much better that I have to have one now. Having a Mk7 for a weekend has actually made me less peeved :wink:
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Daz: Not sure what innovations you'd be expecting on the MK8 to see appreciable gains in mpg after the introduction of an EU economy testing regime that is more realistic - it's likely to be going the other way, that quoted 67mpg will likely become an official 55mpg if the MK8 isn't genuinely using 20% less fuel to do what the current engine does now.
How could the MK8 become so much more efficient? We haven't seen any massive innovations in TDI technology in years that has affected mpg. The change from PD to CR saw refinement and linear power delivery come on a fair bit, but real life mpg didn't appreciably change. Real life effects of stop-start, I saw maybe an extra 1mpg, the system is definitely saving fuel when you would've otherwise be idling, but my static time on my commute was next to nowt and 1/3 of the time it could've turned the engine off, DPF regen considerations kept it going.
I think we'd need to see at least a 10% weight reduction (the MK7 saw a 2% weight loss for the higher up models that didn't lose the multilink rear suspension that some of the lesser models (<120PS) lost). How will the MK8 lose another 140Kg? That'll only be half the story - there's talk of 10 speed DSGs, that'll help, maybe we'll see the other 10% off that.
If the new EU test is a real representation of real life driving, the MK8 GTD's use of fuel would have to be so much better than it is now, just to retain it's "67mpg combined" tag.
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Daz: Not sure what innovations you'd be expecting on the MK8 to see appreciable gains in mpg after the introduction of an EU economy testing regime that is more realistic - it's likely to be going the other way...
True. My brother's Mk4 TDI, my wife's old Mk5 TDI, her new A3 TDI and my Mk6 GTD all have similar fuel consumption figures of 50-60mpg.
Rightly or wrongly, I feel there will just be more emphasis on fuel economy with the next generation. Happy to wait and see.