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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Hawaii-Five-O on 02 August 2013, 08:46
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Just trying to get a sense of how many people have ordered [or are driving] a GTI without ACC or Performance Pack upgrade.
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After the test drive (with ACC) I was happy with the sport setting, so on the basis the standard suspension will be no worse I left it off the list.
I was clsoe to adding the PP to my order, but in the end I felt I could live without it (hopefully come as standard on the Edition 40!)
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After the test drive (with ACC) I was happy with the sport setting, so on the basis the standard suspension will be no worse I left it off the list.
I was clsoe to adding the PP to my order, but in the end I felt I could live without it (hopefully come as standard on the Edition 40!)
All very interesting :smiley:
I too test drove the GTI in ACC/Sport to as closely replicate standard setup as possible.
I also wavered about adding PP but decided against it in the end as it was pushing my budget beyond what I wanted to spend. Plus, the test drive car felt fast enough for me :wink:
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After the test drive (with ACC) I was happy with the sport setting, so on the basis the standard suspension will be no worse I left it off the list.
I was clsoe to adding the PP to my order, but in the end I felt I could live without it (hopefully come as standard on the Edition 40!)
All very interesting :smiley:
I too test drove the GTI in ACC/Sport to as closely replicate standard setup as possible.
I also wavered about adding PP but decided against it in the end as it was pushing my budget beyond what I wanted to spend. Plus, the test drive car felt fast enough for me :wink:
Although I jest by stating the PP is a no brainer, the demo GTI I drove was plenty fast enough and it didn't have the PP added. I don't think speed is the issue with it, its more how the car gets the power down when accelerating hard out of a corner. Alas, no one here (I don't think) has driven a PP car as yet so we can only rely on the hack's reporting of it instead of a real world view - saying that, I still specced it! :laugh:
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i considered both PP and ACC
in the end I didnt feel the ACC was worth the same price as the PP, given the PP model is classified as a separate model, not the basic model + an option. This brings a slightly higher retained value.
Also, I just felt the hardware the £980 was buying was worth it - everyone says you wont notice the e diff or the extra 10 BHP, but dont forget the PP has much larger front brakes (340mm v 310) and bigger calipers, and vented rather than solid rear discs.
I felt I would get much more use out of this hardware that the adaptive dampers, for the same cash..
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I felt I would get much more use out of this hardware [PP] that the adaptive dampers, for the same cash..
I think you're onto something drisser :wink: there's no doubt its a clever piece of kit with some Porsche engineering know-how behind it.
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I didn't give consideration to ACC to be honest. I did think long and hard about PP, mostly because I didn't want to regret going for what might be seen as a 'lesser' model further down the line. But at close on an extra grand, when I think the price of the car is already on the high side (even with a 10% discount), I decided to go completely standard in the end.
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I picked both (because I'm a chump). :wink:
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I felt I would get much more use out of this hardware that the adaptive dampers, for the same cash..
+1
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I picked both (because I'm a chump). :wink:
Seriously Bear, why do you say that? Or are you just being ironic?
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i considered both PP and ACC
in the end I didnt feel the ACC was worth the same price as the PP, given the PP model is classified as a separate model, not the basic model + an option. This brings a slightly higher retained value.
Also, I just felt the hardware the £980 was buying was worth it - everyone says you wont notice the e diff or the extra 10 BHP, but dont forget the PP has much larger front brakes (340mm v 310) and bigger calipers, and vented rather than solid rear discs.
I felt I would get much more use out of this hardware that the adaptive dampers, for the same cash..
I agree with you drisser, also if I didn't have PP I would probably always feel there's a slightly better GTI available to buy.
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I have both on mine. To be honest i have changed the settings on the ACC a couple of times but not felt a great deal of difference apart from the steering tightening up when in sport mode.
Not had a chance to put the foot down yet so can't really comment on the benefit of the PP. Hoping to get a few days away next week so i'll report back. What i do like is the aesthetics of the PP which is the bigger brakes and the GTI logos on the callipers but you wouldnt pay £980 just for that.
Theres no doubt you could easily live without both options
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Just ACC here. At one point I added PP due to peer pressure, but then took it off. The requirements for speed and agility are more than met by the standard car. I'm after refinement and comfort, not something to drive like a track car. People say it's worth it because it's a different model classification so has higher residual...yeah, because you paid more on the first place! Plus, it's considered different for insurance purposes too, although I can't say what difference it really makes to a premium as I've never checked!
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I can't say what difference it really makes to a premium as I've never checked!
Better handling, should be lower right? :wink:
5-0, I was just being light hearted. But as Craig says, could easily live without these 2.
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Just ACC here. At one point I added PP due to peer pressure, but then took it off. The requirements for speed and agility are more than met by the standard car. I'm after refinement and comfort, not something to drive like a track car. People say it's worth it because it's a different model classification so has higher residual...yeah, because you paid more on the first place! Plus, it's considered different for insurance purposes too, although I can't say what difference it really makes to a premium as I've never checked!
I think the point is, if you sepcify ACC, sunroof etc, it makes no difference to the residuals on that car, options = lost money. On the PP model, the classifcation does have an impact on residuals therefore you would hope to loose less on it than most other options.
That said, the totally standard car, with no options at just over £25k, with a decent discount is also a sensible choice ..
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I can't say what difference it really makes to a premium as I've never checked!
Better handling, should be lower right? :wink:
5-0, I was just being light hearted. But as Craig says, could easily live without these 2.
Haha, touché ;) The faster you can go around a corner, the harder you fall when driver-error creeps in! lol
I agree though, PP is the option that will hold most value come trade or resale time. Still not enough to convince me that a grand extra to go around the Nurburgring at roughly 1 second faster per mile is worth it! At the end of the day, it comes down to pub bragging rights, whereby if I wanted something faster, I'd have waited for the Golf R or gone for something else.
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For me ACC was a no no. I have it on my Sirocco and never user it, well maybe once a month to make sure it still works :smiley:. The performance pack was another 1k I wasn't prepared to spend #tightass.
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Around the time of the launch I recall reports claiming VW expectations for uptake of the performance pack variously as a third to a half.
So far this poll puts it at over two thirds. Sign that membership of this forum is skewed towards those who value performance/want the "best" GTI, or indication VW underestimated demand?
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Nope, just a sign that forum members have more money than sense. :whistle:
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Around the time of the launch I recall reports claiming VW expectations for uptake of the performance pack variously as a third to a half.
So far this poll puts it at over two thirds. Sign that membership of this forum is skewed towards those who value performance/want the "best" GTI, or indication VW underestimated demand?
I would think it's more to do with the kind of person that joins a GTI forum is more likely to be interested in performance, lots of 'normal' GTI buyers won't know what a limited slip differential is.
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Nope, just a sign that forum members have more money than sense. :whistle:
Or more knowledge than the normal GTI buyer :nerd:
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Or more knowledge than the normal GTI buyer :nerd:
That is perhaps the correct answer and I would think that VW are probably correct with their estimates. I didn't order it as I don't think it is worth it for the driving that I do. I'm buying the GTI for its all round ability and also because I've always wanted one. I did seriously consider the ACC but it adds more complexity for little reason.
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TBH I would have ordered PP if the car I had test driven had it on...it was on my spec list too. However, I drove a car without it in damp conditions and it pulled away from T junctions just fine. The ACC was a definite though. I have had it on a TT, and think it is brilliant. My current "other" car is a MINI Countryman Cooper S All4, and I absolutely HATE the ride quality.
Please bear in mind I'll be having it set to "comfort" mode most of the time!
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I was really on the fence about ACC. Couldn't decide on which way to go. I was concerned I would feel like I missed out on something.
Then I did a test drive with a GTI with no PP and ACC.
Really couldnt feel the difference between sport and comfort, so that fell off the spec list.
Still havent driven a PP car yet. That I felt was like others said, a lot of tech for the money. Looking forward to approaching a fast tight bend and let it do its stuff ;-)
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That is perhaps the correct answer and I would think that VW are probably correct with their estimates. I didn't order it as I don't think it is worth it for the driving that I do. I'm buying the GTI for its all round ability and also because I've always wanted one. I did seriously consider the ACC but it adds more complexity for little reason.
I guess to be fair to VW, the kind of person wanting a GTI and willing to spend £26k+ with extras on is likely to lap up anything to do with extra performance. Like you though, with the kind of driving I do, and knowing how I drive my current Mk5 GTI, it's just not worth it.
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TBH I would have ordered PP if the car I had test driven had it on...it was on my spec list too. However, I drove a car without it in damp conditions and it pulled away from T junctions just fine. The ACC was a definite though. I have had it on a TT, and think it is brilliant. My current "other" car is a MINI Countryman Cooper S All4, and I absolutely HATE the ride quality.
Please bear in mind I'll be having it set to "comfort" mode most of the time!
My Wife used to have a Cooper S - the worst ride of any car EVER!
My A3 S Line is firmer than the GTI (ACC - set to sport) I test drove, in fact I was happy enough with GTI in sport that i didn't add ACC (assuming Sport is similar, if not firmer than the standard set-up).
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(assuming Sport is similar, if not firmer than the standard set-up).
They're about the same, maybe standard set up is a tiny bit softer than ACC sport on my Scirocco.
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ACC isn't just about how firm/soft the car feels - I felt it made the car tighter on bends and more comfortable. Adjusting the feel of the car is an added bonus. IMO it was definitely worth the £s
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I was happy enough to spec the standard car but decided on ACC and PP because a) The minor roads in my country area are atrocious and I'm fed up with my wife complaining about the hard and, what she calls, jiggly ride of my VRS and b) I drive over mountainous terrain on the continent and in the Canaries during the Winter and wanted the extra security offered by the PP. Let's hope the reviews are vindicated in the real world.
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I went for both. Nice to have the option to add some comfort to the car for day to day in traffic then change it for when there's some room to gallop, real big + for me that and was the first thing I ticked. Also wanted PP as thought it might give car slightly better residual and didn't want to be without thinking, there's a slightly better GTI / higher performance GTI that I could've had. That's not saying anything wrong with the car without, absolutely not, just how my head works :laugh:
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I went for ACC because I had it on my MK6 GTI and I really liked it. In comfort mode I felt the ride was soft and great when out with the mother-in-law. Sport mode when I was out by myself. There is a good review on the GTI with only ACC in Evo and the chap rated it highly too.
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All very interesting (that should be my new catch phrase).
ACC + PP setup seems top dog on these forums. To be expected though.
Interesting comments about standard set up being similar [closest to] ACC set to sport. I truly hope that's what my car feels like when it arrives as that's what I had it set to on my test drive. If its any firmer than that I'll be a bit disappointed.
Keep polling :smiley: