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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Ginge 35Edition on 29 July 2013, 19:14
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Raffe you'll be glad your not buying these! H&R Trac+ 10mm.
Took them off tonight and the drivers side has sheered into two pieces:-
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i477/Ginge35Edition/cars/null_zps72dcc6b2.jpg)
(http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i477/Ginge35Edition/cars/null_zps17716887.jpg)
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:shocked: :shocked:
That's not good !!
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Couldn't believe it to be honest. The passenger side came off straight away but the drivers one took some persuading! I've emailed DPM to see what they have to say, I've told them I'm happy to send them back for them to inspect them. Fingers crossed they'll give me a refund?!?!
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My 10mm H&Rs on my Mk3 did the same.
In all honesty, it doesn't matter...the taper that centres the wheel is still there, it's just harder to get the wheel to sit on until you get a bolt in...but they'll still work.
The bit that's broken off does nothing once the bolts are in and the wheel centred.
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My 10mm H&Rs on my Mk3 did the same.
In all honesty, it doesn't matter...the taper that centres the wheel is still there, it's just harder to get the wheel to sit on until you get a bolt in...but they'll still work.
The bit that's broken off does nothing once the bolts are in and the wheel centred.
I did wonder that but besides all that I still wouldn't ever expect this?
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The bit that's broken off does nothing once the bolts are in and the wheel centred.
I'd beg to differ tbh mate :huh:
The portion that has broken off is what makes the difference between a non hubcentric and a hubcentric spacer and also the part that makes the latter much safer than the former in use imo...
Not only does that flange replicate the oem seat of the wheel to hub and also helping locate and centre the wheel it is also load bearing as having your wheel bolts hold up your wheel as well as hold it on is best avoided..
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That's really not good :shocked:
Have often wondered how safe they were and tat would say to me not very.
Fingers crossed you get a full refund.
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That's really not good :shocked:
Have often wondered how safe they were and tat would say to me not very.
Fingers crossed you get a full refund.
In the interests of balance I have run H&R hubcentric spacers on my last 3 cars, both on road and hard track use without a single issue to date :smiley:
Key with the MK5/6 spacers is that H&R have to different spacers for front and rear use (A or B suffix at the end of the part number), they differ in the size of the bit that has broken off in the pics to suit the deeper rear hub depth of the rear of the car compared to the front :smiley:
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If that's the case they don't reference that anywhere?
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If that's the case they don't reference that anywhere?
http://www.trakplus.com/trakguidelines/
For reference if you scroll down to the 10mm '205571' spacer you can see the 'A' and 'B' differences in hub height and taper radius :smiley:
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Sorry mate, meant the guys that sold them to me.
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Sorry mate, meant the guys that sold them to me.
Damian at DPM should know as I've always bought mine from him and he has always asked whether I intend to use them on the front or rear, mine look at little bit fisher price when you remove the wheel as I've put a magic marker 'F' and 'R' on them just in case lol! :laugh:
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I'd beg to differ tbh mate :huh:
The portion that has broken off is what makes the difference between a non hubcentric and a hubcentric spacer and also the part that makes the latter much safer than the former in use imo...
Not only does that flange replicate the oem seat of the wheel to hub and also helping locate and centre the wheel it is also load bearing as having your wheel bolts hold up your wheel as well as hold it on is best avoided..
A non-hubcentric spacer is just a flat plate with holes.
The stepped section gives you something to hang the wheel on whilst you get a bolt in...it's the taper that centres the wheel up.
The spacer shouldn't have broken...but using the spacer as it is won't have any affect on it's use.
The lip on a hub/spacer isn't load bearing - it's only there to locate the wheel.
It's the friction on the faces combined with the bolt torque that holds the wheels on - not the small aluminium lip.
So, as long as the wheel is sitting centred up correctly before torquing the wheel bolts, there will be no additional wheel wobble...in this case, with VW wheels, the taper will provide the centring ability in the same way as it would have done with the 'lip' in place. The lip only makes it easier to hold the wheel in place whilst you get a bolt in.
It doesn't make it right...but they can still be used.
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The principle behind hubcentric versus non hubcentric spacers is fairly easy to understand and it's basic engineering common sense re the load bearing portion of the oem hub ring being replicated to prevent undue stress being placed upon the wheel bolts, after all VW themselves saw fit to engineer it into the car in the first place..
This may help you understand?
http://www.superforma.co.uk/hubcentric-explained
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The principle behind hubcentric versus non hubcentric spacers is fairly easy to understand and it's basic engineering common sense re the load bearing portion of the oem hub ring being replicated to prevent undue stress being placed upon the wheel bolts, after all VW themselves saw fit to engineer it into the car in the first place..
This may help you understand?
http://www.superforma.co.uk/hubcentric-explained
I understand just fine.
Believe what you want.
The wheels won't fall off if he used the spacers the way they are - a little more care will be needed to get the wheel on and centred up, but I'll say again, the metal lip is for locating/centring purposes only.
If it was load bearing, do you think manufacturers of cheap wheels could get away with supplying plastic spigot rings to fit the correct hubs?
Surely a piece of flimsy plastic cannot support load?
No..it can't...because it doesn't have to.
Yet you are suggesting that that tiny 1-2mm section of aluminium that has broken on the pictured spacers, carrys some load?
On a 1400Kg car?
Erm...I think not.
The protruding lip/hubcentric part is to allow the wheel to be placed centrally on the hub prior to torquing up the wheel blots, not to carry ANY load.
A wheel torqued up whilst not fitted centrally can add stress to the wheel bolts...whereas the standard set-up prevents this.
As do hubcentric spacers...
Or the broken spacer above by virtue of the fact that the tapered section will still locate the wheel centrally on the hub, prior to torquing up the wheel bolts.
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Calm down dear it's only the internet... I never suggested the wheels would fall off? :huh: :grin:
We'll agree to differ, potato potatoe etc :smiley:
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Handbags........ :)
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pretty shocking, great heads up on the front and rears being different, was wanting some H&R 8mm hubcentrics so the Watkins Glens clear the APs (In reality prob need 3mm)
hope you get them replaced
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Update:-
After some lengthy emails with DPM they have agreed to post me some new spacers, so if anyone is interested they will be available for £70 plus postage. The bolts are for OEM wheels and I have two spare Bol caps as you'll have to forfeit ya locking nuts.
Cheers
Neil
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Which spacers are available - the broken ones or the new ones? :laugh:
I'm interested in the spacers btw, if you could get me the part number off them I'd be grateful so I can check that they'll fit my application. Thanks :cool:
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Which spacers are available - the broken ones or the new ones? :laugh:
I'm interested in the spacers btw, if you could get me the part number off them I'd be grateful so I can check that they'll fit my application. Thanks :cool:
Will do mate, they're out for delivery tomorrow so once they arrive I'll let you know.
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As requested mate:-
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Sorry for the delay in getting a reply on here Ginge, been a busy bunny the last week or so after getting back off my hold.
I've checked with H&R and they don't have the info I need yet as I have a mk7 on order and need to make sure these would fit the hubs.
I know Scirocco rear hubs differ slightly to the Golf mk6.
I've already got a set of H&R 10mm spacers that have a different part number to yours and I want a set of front and rear.
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Whats the usual spacers mm everyone is going for on mk6? 10mm front and 20mm rears?
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The 10mm I had on made the wheel sit perfectly in live with the body. 5mm seems to be a popular mod for the fronts.
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Just to add that these 10mm brand new spacers are still available, for a sensible offer.