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Title: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: bobbarley on 27 July 2013, 15:23
I need to drill a large hole into my kitchen wall to fit an outside garden tap.

I bought an 18mm x 400mm drill bit to do the job, naively thinking that I could just pop it into my B&Q value drill and away I went.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250900059413?var=550048523361&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

When the drill bit arrived however the damn thing wouldn't fit inside my drill, the chuck isn't big enough to take the size of the drill bit.  I expected the drill bit to be smaller at the end to fit inside any old drill, but no.  I guess a normal drill wouldn't be up to the task anyway?

Having done some research it looks like I probably need some sort of SDS rotary hammer drill.  Does that sound right?  If so, will that fit a drill bit with an 18mm diameter?

This seemed like a good choice - http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/drills/sds_drills/Bosch-PBH-2100-RE-SDS-Rotary-Hammer-12317531
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: JC on 27 July 2013, 15:28
if in doubt get an expert out  :whistle:
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: gazareth on 27 July 2013, 15:35
is that the drill bits with the 2 oval grooves at the end?
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: bobbarley on 27 July 2013, 15:35
It's only a hole, can't be that hard.  I also need something with more grunt for making a trench in my conctre lounge floor soon to run cables across the room.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: bobbarley on 27 July 2013, 15:45
is that the drill bits with the 2 oval grooves at the end?

I think SDS drill bits are yes, the bit I bought doesn't have them though.

I'm happy to bin the drill bit I bought though in favour of a proper SDS one.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: DubFan on 27 July 2013, 15:50
Or go to HSS Hireshop and rent one for a day.
Drilling through brick will generally need a mains powered drill, hammer action might be necessary if it's a really thick dense wall.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: bobbarley on 27 July 2013, 15:54
Well I'm going to drill through the cement instead of the brick, so should make it easier.  But I agree I think I need mains powered hammer action.  SDS seems to be required in order to fit large drill bits?

I did think to pop to HSS.  But seeing as I need to do extensive drilling/chiselling into my cement floor soon, it might be better to just invest in somehing.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: justalex81 on 27 July 2013, 15:57
steer clear of hitachi sds drills. they're crap.

stick to makita or bosch for an sds drill. if you're going to be doing lots of chiselling then make sure you get a high powered one.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: tweed on 27 July 2013, 16:01
I drill all the time. Have 3 SDS drills.  :laugh:

The SDS is all the same size even if you got a 6mm or 30mm.

Look up HSS hire. You will have one close by mate.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: bobbarley on 27 July 2013, 16:02
Cheers tweed, it sounds like the option to go for then.  And from what I've read, you use an adaptor to fit normal size bits into one of them?

I think it's worth investing in something.  The drill I have now is some 8 year old B&Q value cordless effort, battery is dead after 10 minutes generally.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: tweed on 27 July 2013, 16:09
I havent seen one. Only normal drill chuck that fits into a sds, doesn't mean there isn't one.
 I have two of these but 110  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEG-KH28-XE-28mm-SDS-3-Mode-Hammer-Drill-QCC-240-Vol-/260815498371?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3cb9d0ac83 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEG-KH28-XE-28mm-SDS-3-Mode-Hammer-Drill-QCC-240-Vol-/260815498371?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3cb9d0ac83)

and a cordless dewalt sds.
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: tweed on 27 July 2013, 16:13
It's only a hole, can't be that hard.  I also need something with more grunt for making a trench in my conctre lounge floor soon to run cables across the room.

chase two lines with a grinder first. Inch or two apart then use the sds hammer chisel to make the channel
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: bobbarley on 27 July 2013, 16:16
I havent seen one. Only normal drill chuck that fits into a sds, doesn't mean there isn't one.
 I have two of these but 110  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEG-KH28-XE-28mm-SDS-3-Mode-Hammer-Drill-QCC-240-Vol-/260815498371?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3cb9d0ac83 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AEG-KH28-XE-28mm-SDS-3-Mode-Hammer-Drill-QCC-240-Vol-/260815498371?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item3cb9d0ac83)

and a cordless dewalt sds.

Bit out of my price range  :grin:

It's only a hole, can't be that hard.  I also need something with more grunt for making a trench in my conctre lounge floor soon to run cables across the room.

chase two lines with a grinder first. Inch or two apart then use the sds hammer chisel to make the channel

Good advice, cheers.  That's exactly what I'm looking to do.  My television is going to be wll mounted on the opposite side of the room from where the phone/fibre, Sky and aerial is  :undecided:  So need to route the cables all the way across.  Figured do a proper job of it  :smiley:
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: justalex81 on 27 July 2013, 16:21
personally i wouldn't go cheaper/less powerful than this if you want it to last:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-2kg-sds-plus-drill-gbh2000-240v/87453

Spend a bit more and get a very good drill:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-hr2470-2-2kg-sds-plus-drill-240v/99908
Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: VW BUSH on 27 July 2013, 17:41
I have a load of drills like yours with the shank spun down to fit my cordless 10 and 12mm chucks.

Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: danny_p on 28 July 2013, 00:00
grind the shank down,  it's a bodge but your not useing it every day.

or get an SDS bit an a cheep 6kg drill esp if you want to do lots of chisseling

Title: Re: Anyone know about drills?
Post by: hobbiniho on 28 July 2013, 14:42
when you are lookin for hammer drills especially if you are going to be doing quite a lot of chiseling then you need to look  for one with a high joule rating as that is how hard it can hit, and the harder it can hit the better it will be at chiseling