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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: DougL on 25 July 2013, 19:44
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Published today. Golf GTi PP DSG, Merc A250, BMW M135i Sport Auto. Winner BMW 5*, Golf 4*, Merc 3*.
Summary:
BMW
For: Outrageous pace, thrilling handling, pliant ride, surprisingly competitive running costs.
Against: Pricey to buy initially, could be better equipped.
Verdict: Not without fault, but it is all you could want from a fast hatchback, and a little bit more.
Golf
For: Huge grip, neutral handling, good standard spec, excellent running costs
Against: DSG gearbox can be frustrating, falls short of claimed economy in real-world use.
Verdict: Close to perfection, but not the vivid, engaging driver's tool that some will want.
Mercedes
For: Accessible handling, attention grabbing looks, tight body control, low emissions
Against: Firm ride, hesitant gearbox, poor resale values make it expensive to own
Verdict: Appropriately fun, but hard to justify in this company, given its greater flaws.
The more I read the above verdicts the more I think they have it arse over tit. They're saying the Golf is the better car but have given the win to BMW? Again a nonsense from the Autocar/Autoexpress/ Whatcar tribe....
I wonder if the manual would have done better and been more engaging? I still think the BMW is pig ugly and has an awful ride.
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Other info
Best cabin: Golf
Cheapest to own: Golf
Best dash: BMW
Driving: BMW 5*, Golf 4*, Merc 3*
Inside: Golf 5*, BMW 4*, Merc 3*
Cost: Golf 5*, BMW 4*, Merc 3*
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Used 135 values are also dropping fast already and reflected by BMW GFV for the model - nearly new ones are already showing a GFV much lower than the golf despite costing a lot more..
I think in 2 to 3 years used values of the 135 will be lower than the equivalent gti, punters will be put off but the possible high running costs once out of warranty..
Much as I love 6 cyl cars, and drive one, 4 cyl turbo is all the market seems to want now..
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Yet again they are comparing the wrong cars. The GTI is comparable to the A250; however the M 135i should not be compared to these two as its performance is streets ahead of the other two.
A better comparison to the GTI and the Merc would be the 125d. The 135i is comparable to the S3, the R and the A45.
Do these "journalists" actually know what they're talking about??
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The "true MPG" figure looks like a load of nonsense too
Golf GOV 44.1, True 31.5
BMW GOV 35.3, True 33.9
Merc GOV 45.6, True 33.5
Yeah, right.
Also
Golf 5* ratings x 4, 4* ratings x 6 TOTAL 44
BMW 5* ratings x 4, 4* ratingsx 4, 3* ratings x 2 TOTAL 42
Merc 5* ratings x 1, 4* ratings x 1, 3*ratings x 7, 2* ratings x 1 TOTAL 32
I rest my case. They are complete numpties....
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Do these "journalists" actually know what they're talking about??
I think that's the point. I would never describe them as journalists. Someone like Georg Karcher from Car magazine is though...
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I'll have to pay my local WH Smiths library a visit this weekend & have a good proper read for myself... but I'm not a big fan of 'What Car' magazine personally. Its like the 'Readers Digest' of the motoring world and besides they're a little late coming to the party with this review.
It's incredulous that the M-lite got top honours from Autocar when it was first launched (4.5 stars), only to be demoted to fourth spot in the latest edition of Autocars hot hatch table... Only now for 'What Car' to jump on the bandwagon (albeit a little late) and give top honours back to the M135i again!!!
Do these journo's actually know what they're on about?
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I would agree with the 'close to perfection' comment.
Very, very close.
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I would agree with the 'close to perfection' comment.
Very, very close.
Abso-f****ing-lutely! Those "journos" obviously don't proof read their own copy, or else they'd see how stupid they look. It is quite clear from a) their comments and b) their ratings, which car is the winner. How they managed to change the ranking in the ultimate verdict is beyoned me.... (unless the weighting is heavily biased to ultimate performance, in which case they do indeed need to compare like with like. The BMW is ultimately about £8k more expensive if you buy a manual, discounted, non-PP Golf GTI, so really a ridiculous comparison.
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Is the DSG box on the Golf that bad & frustrating?.... I've only tested the DSG on a Mk7 GT and didn't have a problem with it, but maybe I should've tried the auto on the GTi before committing to it....
I'm getting that sinking feeling I should have stuck with the 'Manual'.... :undecided:
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Is the DSG box on the Golf that bad & frustrating?.... I've only tested the DSG on a Mk7 GT and didn't have a problem with it, but maybe I should've tried the auto on the GTi before committing to it....
I'm getting that sinking feeling I should have stuck with the 'Manual'.... :undecided:
I've never had a DSG but I did drive a mk6 GTI with it and I thought it was excellent, really smooth and responsive. Only criticism would be in Sport mode (where I'd want it all the time) it red lines each gear - but then if you use the paddles you can avoid that. Personally I prefer a manual car as I'm a purist, but if VW only made a DSG GTI I wouldn't give two hoots as I was very impressed (in fact if I change to an R I may well go DSG).
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Is the DSG box on the Golf that bad & frustrating?.... I've only tested the DSG on a Mk7 GT and didn't have a problem with it, but maybe I should've tried the auto on the GTi before committing to it....
I'm getting that sinking feeling I should have stuck with the 'Manual'.... :undecided:
They are talking absolute sh!te, I have had 5 gti's and r32 and everyone had a dsg. They are amazing to drive and far better than any sh!tty bmw or mercedes autos I have had by a country miles. More bullsh!t from people that know nothing about cars. I remapped them all and the gearbox was superb. The mercedes and bmw had problems with gearbox after I got them remapped.
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Thanks for the feedback Bud! I only went with the DSG as I fancied a change, although many thought I was mad & should have stuck with the manual.
I just remember once, Steve Sutcliffe from Autocar saying the DSG was the best thing since sliced bread. However now I've come to realise that you can't believe a word they say.
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Thanks for the feedback Bud! I only went with the DSG as I fancied a change, although many thought I was mad & should have stuck with the manual.
I just remember once, Steve Sutcliffe from Autocar saying the DSG was the best thing since sliced bread. However now I've come to realise that you can't believe a word they say.
Cool mate, you will love it
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Do these "journalists" actually know what they're talking about??
I think that's the point. I would never describe them as journalists. Someone like Georg Karcher from Car magazine is though...
Well said, my very first/ish post was CAR mags Georg Karcher and his very, very early GTI mk7 review.
What Car/Autocar is the same piss poor 'sister' publications :rolleyes:
TBH - It's a piss in the wind for these 'car' writers, MOST know diddly sh!t :wink: until their next freebie drive :whistle:
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Is the DSG box on the Golf that bad & frustrating?.... I've only tested the DSG on a Mk7 GT and didn't have a problem with it, but maybe I should've tried the auto on the GTi before committing to it....
I'm getting that sinking feeling I should have stuck with the 'Manual'.... :undecided:
My personal view is that if you want an automated manual the DSG is as good as you can get. I think it is a great bit of Tec if you do a lot of town driving and then also like some fun, but honestly for £1600 or whatever it costs, the manual Box in the mk7 is superb and I found I got bored using the paddles even on a test drive and just shoved it into auto.
I still prefer the feel of a good manual box especially when a car has a huge torque band because you can just control it so much better. I decided my money was better spent on the PP and sunroof, but each to their own.
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It's all about opinion at the end of the day. We spec the car the way we see fit and what we believe will give us most pleasure whether it be on looks, Santiagos & pano roof or convenience, DSG or even performance, PP, DCC etc.
We all have different wants/desires. I only wish my budget could have stretched to a few more toys :grin:
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Is the DSG box on the Golf that bad & frustrating?.... I've only tested the DSG on a Mk7 GT and didn't have a problem with it, but maybe I should've tried the auto on the GTi before committing to it....
I'm getting that sinking feeling I should have stuck with the 'Manual'.... :undecided:
I drove the MK7 GTI DSG (and the manual too). The DSG is sublime. So that's what I ordered.
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Now I know why I never buy what car mag.
Just read the test briefly, what utter tosh !
" the m135 will cost less than £1000 per year more than the golf to run". Utter bollo***. The pcp payments alone were 150 a month more than the Golf and the future value lower.
It also says the bmw fuel economy was better than the golf !?? How were they driving it..
Stick to testing 1.2 fiestas and clio's what car !! Leave the performance car tests to Evo.
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Stick to testing 1.2 fiestas and clio's what car !! Leave the performance car tests to Evo.
Evo boys are nutters too though. If a car does something well then it lacks "personality", if it has room for improvement then "personality" is forgotten and its not good enough.
Basically they want every car to be refined to perfection, but as soon as something is they moan about how they loved the good old days when taking a corner a little fast would leave you glad to still be alive and there was a significant chance a wheel might fall off at any moment and disappear off into the distance. The net result is every car ends up with 4/5 and a conclusion that reads "good, but missing something."
Same with Top Gear, you must own an Alfa, even though they will then spend the next 5 minutes reeling off a list of Alfa facts most of which should lead a sane person to stay well clear of them. Its all very well for these reviewers to talk about "exciting" cars because they don't have to invest a significant amount of their own money and if it should go pop its not like that is going to affect their work like it would if oen of us failed to meet a sales appointment or something.
I'm also fed up of how mags describe each and every element in detail and for each one conclude "good" or "not as good as" because this really tells me nothing at all. I honestly get 100x as much useful information from a 100 word post by one of you guys compared to a 5000 word article by these mags.
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Totally agree
Opinions on these forums are much more realistic and valuable
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It really matters little what reviewers say. You buy the car you want and like.
Collating the various reviews, it appears that the Mercedes A250 AMG 6.5-7/10ths car, the Mk7 Golf GTI is a 7.5-8/10ths car, the BMW M135i is a 8-8.5/10ths car, the Audi S3 is a 8.5-9/10ths car and the Mercedes A45 AMG is a solid 10/10ths car.
But, so what? And who cares?
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Just a bit of inside info but you lot do know that car manufactures press fleet are not the same cars you and I buy. :wink:
Its why I take all car reviews with a pinch of salt. Also advertisment keep these people in jobs :wink:
I test drive public production spec cars and make my own opinions.
As for bias this sites is biased too as you lot just spend tens of thousands on something so your all biased :grin:
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Just a bit of inside info but you lot do know that car manufactures press fleet are not the same cars you and I buy. :wink:
Its why I take all car reviews with a pinch of salt. Also advertisment keep these people in jobs :wink:
I test drive public production spec cars and make my own opinions.
As for bias this sites is biased too as you lot just spend tens of thousands on something so your all biased :grin:
Ha, Ha. Without bias, we'd never buy anything. It's good to have a bias but even better to keep an open mind. I'm biased towards BMWs and Porsches and to a slightly lesser extent towards Mercedes. These are the makes I can afford at present. What I would really love to have is a Ferrari or a Macca. Now this is not bias, it's a yearning. Therefore, I am merrily trying to up my income. :grin:
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone! :laugh:
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone. :laugh:
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone. :laugh:
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Here we go again. Calm down dear, they are just cars. :rolleyes:
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Just a bit of inside info but you lot do know that car manufactures press fleet are not the same cars you and I buy. :wink:
Its why I take all car reviews with a pinch of salt. Also advertisment keep these people in jobs :wink:
I test drive public production spec cars and make my own opinions.
As for bias this sites is biased too as you lot just spend tens of thousands on something so your all biased :grin:
Ha, Ha. Without bias, we'd never buy anything. It's good to have a bias but even better to keep an open mind. I'm biased towards BMWs and Porsches and to a slightly lesser extent towards Mercedes. These are the makes I can afford at present. What I would really love to have is a Ferrari or a Macca. Now this is not bias, it's a yearning. Therefore, I am merrily trying to up my income. :grin:
Sadly you may find that if you do ever get to the point of owning one its a disapointment.
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone. :laugh:
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Here we go again. Calm down dear, they are just cars. :rolleyes:
I'm perfectly calm thank you. I just can't resist pointing out the ridiculousness of your posts! You are hilarious!!
You're minted - yet you drive an old 330d. You have 2 or 3 birds on the go (I forget the number you said) yet you're posting on an Internet forum on a Friday night. :rolleyes:
Classic Internet bullish!t! :grin:
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Just a bit of inside info but you lot do know that car manufactures press fleet are not the same cars you and I buy. :wink:
Its why I take all car reviews with a pinch of salt. Also advertisment keep these people in jobs :wink:
I test drive public production spec cars and make my own opinions.
As for bias this sites is biased too as you lot just spend tens of thousands on something so your all biased :grin:
Ha, Ha. Without bias, we'd never buy anything. It's good to have a bias but even better to keep an open mind. I'm biased towards BMWs and Porsches and to a slightly lesser extent towards Mercedes. These are the makes I can afford at present. What I would really love to have is a Ferrari or a Macca. Now this is not bias, it's a yearning. Therefore, I am merrily trying to up my income. :grin:
Sadly you may find that if you do ever get to the point of owning one its a disapointment.
I've driven the Macca and it was tremendous. The ride was so smooth and the power so intense. It might take me 100 years to afford one, but I can dream a bit.
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone. :laugh:
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Here we go again. Calm down dear, they are just cars. :rolleyes:
I'm perfectly calm thank you. I just can't resist pointing out the ridiculousness of your posts! You are hilarious!!
You're minted - yet you drive an old 330d. You have 2 or 3 birds on the go (I forget the number you said) yet you're posting on an Internet forum on a Friday night. :rolleyes:
Classic Internet bullish!t! :grin:
Do you mind, it's my internet night! :laugh:
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Am1W. Not driven 12c but followed an orange one local. He sort of left me when we over took the line of traffic. :whistle: It just did not sound that good to me.
I could get an old Ferrari after all there cheaper than a new golf.. :lipsrsealed:
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Am1W. Not driven 12p one but followed an orange one local. He sort if left me when we over took the line of traffic. :whistle: It just did not sound that good to me.
I could get an old Ferrari after all there cheaper than a new golf.. :lipsrsealed:
Sounded better (and louder) than my old GTI and my present BMW. Not as comfortable as either, though.
BTW, the one I drove was a horrid orange, though this colour would somehow suit a BMW and a GTI. :embarrassed:
How about an Aston DB9 Vantage? Going for £35k. :tongue:
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Hehehe.
Ok they got us boys we may as well admit it, the golf sucks there are so many better cars you can get for the money. And they all get good reviews in what car too so that proves it! :wink: :laugh: :whistle:
Just sayin, it's my Internet night too (every night :embarrassed:).
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone. :laugh:
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Here we go again. Calm down dear, they are just cars. :rolleyes:
Well yours is a rep car and you bought TWO :laugh:
I (we?) just don't get why you continue to post on the NEW mk 7 Golf GTI Forum? Why are you not on the BMW forums, seriously it's weird and sad :rolleyes:
Are you feeling ok?
Do you need help, advice or guidance to get back to the most everyday desirable car (Golf GTI)?
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Am1W. Not driven 12p one but followed an orange one local. He sort if left me when we over took the line of traffic. :whistle: It just did not sound that good to me.
I could get an old Ferrari after all there cheaper than a new golf.. :lipsrsealed:
Sounded better (and louder) than my old GTI and my present BMW. Not as comfortable as either, though.
BTW, the one I drove was a horrid orange, though this colour would somehow suit a BMW and a GTI. :embarrassed:
How about an Aston DB9 Vantage? Going for £35k. :tongue:
Maybe something similar in a years time :wink: I have to get rid of 5 of my other cars first.
My goal over the next year or so is cut the car collection right back meening i could have them at home and sell my current place i store them for housing. Which would give me some cash to buy whatever I want. :cool: I currently fancy a ferrari california or caymanS
I get why your here you really liked your mk6 and were for many years passionate about the GTI brand.
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I've driven both those cars snoopy, both are brilliant! California is something else though :evil:
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Don't blow that trumpet too hard am1w otherwise you might break it :rolleyes:
It's a trombone. :laugh:
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Here we go again. Calm down dear, they are just cars. :rolleyes:
Well yours is a rep car and you bought TWO :laugh:
I (we?) just don't get why you continue to post on the NEW mk 7 Golf GTI Forum? Why are you not on the BMW forums, seriously it's weird and sad :rolleyes:
Are you feeling ok?
Do you need help, advice or guidance to get back to the most everyday desirable car (Golf GTI)?
Ha ha. You are so right. It is THE REPMOBILE. 3 Series used to be THE GANGSTA WHEELS. So it's status seems to be possibly improving.
BTW, I'm feeling very well and appreciate your kind offer of help. For now, I must politely refuse. But thank you anyway. You are too, too kind. :laugh:
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Snoops: California for you. The State as well as the car. :laugh:
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Just a bit of inside info but you lot do know that car manufactures press fleet are not the same cars you and I buy. :wink:
Its why I take all car reviews with a pinch of salt. Also advertisment keep these people in jobs :wink:
I test drive public production spec cars and make my own opinions.
As for bias this sites is biased too as you lot just spend tens of thousands on something so your all biased :grin:
Ha, Ha. Without bias, we'd never buy anything. It's good to have a bias but even better to keep an open mind. I'm biased towards BMWs and Porsches and to a slightly lesser extent towards Mercedes. These are the makes I can afford at present. What I would really love to have is a Ferrari or a Macca. Now this is not bias, it's a yearning. Therefore, I am merrily trying to up my income. :grin:
Sadly you may find that if you do ever get to the point of owning one its a disapointment.
I've driven the Macca and it was tremendous. The ride was so smooth and the power so intense. It might take me 100 years to afford one, but I can dream a bit.
Photo or it never happened. :whistle:
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Oh and...
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Nice job - did you see the one about fully loaded?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=213240.0
We need a troll to make us laugh on a Sunday morning
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Oh and...
I wish I was that minted that my car was a 330d :rolleyes:
Nice job - did you see the one about fully loaded?
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=213240.0
We need a troll to make us laugh on a Sunday morning
:grin: brilliant!
I can't work out whether he's being serious or whether he actually believes what he says! Either way he's comedy gold, in a David Brent kind of way!