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General => The garage => Topic started by: Barrymacpherson91 on 24 July 2013, 03:30
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How long yous reckon afore map comes for gtd mk7 or even plug and play one.
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6 months my guess...
Why not offer up your GTD as a test subject :rolleyes:
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TDI-tuning.co.uk have one now for the 184PS unit in the GTD (plug in box), it's £289 and increases power to 239PS and torque to 495Nm. Considering it for my new GTD (due early Sept). My dad ran one of their boxes on his MK5 GT 170TDI PD for 3 years/40k miles with not a spot of bother and a 10% increase in mpg (power up to 200PS with it on).
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TDI-tuning.co.uk have one now for the 184PS unit in the GTD (plug in box), it's £289 and increases power to 239PS and torque to 495Nm. Considering it for my new GTD (due early Sept). My dad ran one of their boxes on his MK5 GT 170TDI PD for 3 years/40k miles with not a spot of bother and a 10% increase in mpg (power up to 200PS with it on).
They are impressive gains!! :shocked:
Get that!
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How reputable are that company with their predicted gains? Seem very impressive indeed.
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How reputable are that company with their predicted gains? Seem very impressive indeed.
Good rep!
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How easy are these boxes to fit? Also I'm led to believe a remap would be better for the engine longer term?
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How easy are these boxes to fit? Also I'm led to believe a remap would be better for the engine longer term?
Takes less than 5 minutes to fit. As long as you avoid the cheap sh!te than a high quality box will be just fine. It will never give the full experience of a remap but they are very good for what they are :smiley:
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Think I will contact tdi tuning will also wait till the car has did atleast 1k miles
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How easy are these boxes to fit? Also I'm led to believe a remap would be better for the engine longer term?
Takes less than 5 minutes to fit. As long as you avoid the cheap sh!te than a high quality box will be just fine. It will never give the full experience of a remap but they are very good for what they are :smiley:
Thanks, in what way would it differ from a remap? Obviously the gains seem to be as impressive as a remap, if not better. Is it just power delivery and that?
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How easy are these boxes to fit? Also I'm led to believe a remap would be better for the engine longer term?
Takes less than 5 minutes to fit. As long as you avoid the cheap sh!te than a high quality box will be just fine. It will never give the full experience of a remap but they are very good for what they are :smiley:
Thanks, in what way would it differ from a remap? Obviously the gains seem to be as impressive as a remap, if not better. Is it just power delivery and that?
Remap controls lots of variables within the ECU so gives sharper, more instant throttle response. You can get the balance exactly as you want it
A tuning box is much more simplistic and obviously does not allow for such fine controls. However stick to brand names and reputable companiesand you wont go far wrong
I had a customer with an Astra today who had tried a £60 tuning box and binned it after a week as it kept giving him problems and throwing the car into limp mode
On the other scale i fitted a tuning box that I supply to a brand new Transporter and that gave a nice smooth delivery and didnt throw the van into limp mode!!
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Thanks for that Rhyso, I assume tdi-tuning are a reputable company? Their logo is similar to your logo, are you a representative?
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Thanks for that Rhyso, I assume tdi-tuning are a reputable company? Their logo is similar to your logo, are you a representative?
Never heard anything bad about them :smiley:
Nope I'm just me :smiley:
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Rhyso's tuning boxes needs to be added to your list of many talents mate ;-)
The ones you sell give around 100% of the torque you'd get from a remap with around 66% of extra the power too if I'm not mistaken?
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Rhyso's tuning boxes needs to be added to your list of many talents mate ;-)
The ones you sell give around 100% of the torque you'd get from a remap with around 66% of extra the power too if I'm not mistaken?
You are spot on Doc :nerd:
The boxes also allow you to adjust for more power and or a wider power band :smiley: that and the fact they can be removed from the vehicle within minutes gives the owner a lot of flexibility :smiley:
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How easy are these boxes to fit? Also I'm led to believe a remap would be better for the engine longer term?
Takes less than 5 minutes to fit. As long as you avoid the cheap sh!te than a high quality box will be just fine. It will never give the full experience of a remap but they are very good for what they are :smiley:
Thanks, in what way would it differ from a remap? Obviously the gains seem to be as impressive as a remap, if not better. Is it just power delivery and that?
Remap controls lots of variables within the ECU so gives sharper, more instant throttle response. You can get the balance exactly as you want it
A tuning box is much more simplistic and obviously does not allow for such fine controls. However stick to brand names and reputable companiesand you wont go far wrong
I had a customer with an Astra today who had tried a £60 tuning box and binned it after a week as it kept giving him problems and throwing the car into limp mode
On the other scale i fitted a tuning box that I supply to a brand new Transporter and that gave a nice smooth delivery and didnt throw the van into limp mode!!
Hi Rhyso, I'm interested in your comments and would like some clarification. I have to be honest I've never had a car re-mapped or owned a chip box before, and it's something I've promised I'll do this time round with my GTD. I have no idea how they work.
When you say a remap gives sharper throttle response etc, do you mean on top of what the car would be like normally before modification? Or will a chip box go the other way and make it feel worse than the car does as standard.
I'd love more power and the gains quoted here are very attractive. Will plugging in this box give me lower throttle response? Or can I expect it to be the same 'feel' but just with more grunt?
What I don't want is to have added a chip box but I then think "sh!t the throttle feels laggy". "The power isn't smooth". Does that make sense?
I would like the same car but with more power and torque. Would you suggest a remap or a chip box to achieve this?
P.S Thanks in advance! :)
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Hi Rhyso, I'm interested in your comments and would like some clarification. I have to be honest I've never had a car re-mapped or owned a chip box before, and it's something I've promised I'll do this time round with my GTD. I have no idea how they work.
When you say a remap gives sharper throttle response etc, do you mean on top of what the car would be like normally before modification? Or will a chip box go the other way and make it feel worse than the car does as standard.
I'd love more power and the gains quoted here are very attractive. Will plugging in this box give me lower throttle response? Or can I expect it to be the same 'feel' but just with more grunt?
What I don't want is to have added a chip box but I then think "sh!t the throttle feels laggy". "The power isn't smooth". Does that make sense?
I would like the same car but with more power and torque. Would you suggest a remap or a chip box to achieve this?
P.S Thanks in advance! :)
Throttle response from the factory is usually pretty dead. A remap greatly improves this and is most noticeable when you are pulling away at junctions etc. A tuning box will achieve the same result but not to quite the same extent
The differences between a remap and a tuning box ares subtle and the difference you'd feel would be largely down to how good the remap / tuning box is. The are many different ways of tuning a vehicle. The hardest part is getting it just right
For example I re-did a BMW which had a very sharp throttle response and had been maxed out for torque but that was leading to masses of black smoke and clutch slip along with the owner finding it difficult to modulate the power
The end result after I had a play was a much more progressive throttle, no smoke and no clutch slip but without reducing the overall power of the car :smiley:
The devil is in the detail :wink:
Ultimately a remap is far better than a tuning box simply because you have more control over the variables
However, not everyone wants their ECU ripped apart so a tuning box offers a good alternative. Just stay away from the cheap Ebay ones as they will do more harm than good :smiley:
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Adjustable tuning boxes can be a good addition as rhyso says due to easily installation and removal :cool:
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Thank you all for the responses, that's a big help for me in making my decision.
So regardless of whether you opt for a Tuning Box or a remap, the feel of the throttle will be increased from standard. That's great.
I like the idea of having something physical to just plug in, rather than having the ECU tinkered with. And the ability to add and remove as and when I please is something i'd like.
Thank you for that, as soon as i've put some miles on the GTD when it arrives I shall be purchasing one of these. The thought of 240bhp is making me giggle like a mad man.
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http://www.diesel-performance.co.uk/vehicle-volkswagen-vw_golf-vii_2.0-tdi-184-ps-(2013-)
Hmmmmmm...unsure about this. Would prefer a remap but if this does as it says, that's not a bad increase :evil:
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Oooops this is better
Make / Model Standard - GOLF VII 2.0 TDI 184 PS (2013-)
Standard - 184 PS
Tuned 215 PS
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Hi all,
Well it's been a while but we have a MK7 GTD landing in a week or so to play with.
I'll let you know more as I know more but the news on the jungle drums isn't looking to hopeful at the moment ecu wise.
Regards
Craig
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Just looking at DTUK’s website, there are a few things there in the FAQs on their website about how gains are made that don’t ring true that some (maybe most) of the box tuners also use as a selling point:-
“Another consideration for certain vehicles is that a lower powered variant is often a restricted variant of the same manufacturers own higher powered engine. If we go back to the VAG group the 2.0 140 Common Rail and 2.0 170 Common Rail are only differentiated by the software installed by the manufacturer”.
The statement above is false – the 170TDI has different injectors and a bigger turbo. If they were the same it would be as easy to jack a 140 up to 205PS as it is to jack a 170 up to 205PS with a tuning box.
They attribute all of their “up to 15% mpg gains” down to power and torque increases which allow you to accelerate easier and stay in a higher gear. I can’t quantify it myself (they don’t quantify actual mpg gains with tests of their own either), but 15% gains on torque increases? The mpg gains are based purely on customer testimonials and not results from their own tests – most likely a growing disparity between indicated MFD mpg (based on the amount of fuel the ECU thinks the car is using) and actual mpg. I saw this with my TDI-tuning.co.uk box. Disparity between indicated and actual mpg grew from around 5% without the box, to 9% with the box in middle setting (driving in the style as I had before I put the box on), to 15% with the box in top setting. The actual mpg (brim method determination) stayed pretty much constant before and after fitment of the box.
To see appreciable mpg gains through torque increase when driving normally seems a bit pie in the sky to me, a few % possibly if you cruise at a speed that may be borderline 4th/5th or 5th/6th speed thresholds for a significant portion of your journey. To see large available power increases with minimum fuelling penalties (when not hoofing it all the time) seems a far more honest claim. I seriously doubt these boxes will pay for themselves in fuel savings based on my recent experiences.
I was chasing higher mpg with my box because my standard output and mpg is disappointingly low (possibly down to the use of V-power Diesel which is less dense than regular and has a lower Cetane value), I don’t think it’s really a viable reason for having the box. Extra power, noticeably so and smooth in its delivery – the TDI-tuning.co.uk box I got really delivered on performance.
Buy a box for the power and not for the mpg and you won’t be disappointed.
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Once I've done my R&D with our own box I'll let you know on both the MPG and performance gains