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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Sootchucker on 16 July 2013, 07:56
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We all know the hype that's surrounded both cars and their "claimed" MPG figures which are vastly improved over the outgoing models, which again we all know are not really achievable in real life, but are more for comparisons purposes.
I did have a thought though. As both cars in Germany come "standard" with 17" alloys (with our UK standard fit 18"s being a cost option), I assume the figures produced are done with the smaller wheels ? That being the case, how much do you think the 18's will wipe off the claimed figures ?
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The actual rolling circumference between 17" and 18" wheels are pretty much the same as the tyres on the 18's are lower profile, so basically the diameter of the wheel and tyre are the same whichever you choose so it shouldn't make a difference, there was no difference in mpg if you had 17's or 18's on the mk6.
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Are the 18's wider?
Either way, the difference is likely to be tiny, if any at all.
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We all know the hype that's surrounded both cars and their "claimed" MPG figures which are vastly improved over the outgoing models, which again we all know are not really achievable in real life, but are more for comparisons purposes.
I did have a thought though. As both cars in Germany come "standard" with 17" alloys (with our UK standard fit 18"s being a cost option), I assume the figures produced are done with the smaller wheels ? That being the case, how much do you think the 18's will wipe off the claimed figures ?
I don’t think it’ll have any effect at all – the 17” wheels are just as wide as the 18” Nogaros and Austins at 225mm.
Whatever the computer indicates, you can knock 9% off it for actuals. Using the brim filling method, my Scirocco 170TDI averaged 49.8mpg on it's last tankful according to the computer, but just 45.4mpg in terms of miles covered vs actual fuel consumed.
My dad’s GTD DSG 5 door officially does 60.1mpg combined. On his last tankful at approx. 900 miles in, it indicated 47mpg but actually did 39mpg. I know it has a bit of running in yet, but with VW’s universal engine improvements touted for the MK7 variants including reduced friction surfaces, I don’t think we’ll see much in the way of “running in” gains.
Lets be clear though, my dad’s driving style is very uneconomical – he will cruise on the motorway at 85-90mph if he can get away with it (if others are doing more than that, so he doesn’t “stick out”). He’s got all the toys on and doing their thing. If I had his car right now, the way I would drive it, I would expect to outdo his economy by 10-15%. Either way, compared to his old MK5 GT 170TDI, it appears to be approx. 10% down on economy right now (and driven the same way). Driving the car straight back from Newcastle to Southampton is not the way I’d like to run my car in either, with the first 350 miles pretty much cruising on the motorway. He’s also had the aircon on permanently since getting it.
GTD’s (and all MK7 TDIs) biggest claim to increased fuel economy that is not seen on the TSIs are revisions made to the integrated exhaust manifold set-up to quicken the warming of the engine to normal operating temperature. These will help economy on shorter runs a lot (and the effect will be prominently seen on the official urban and extra urban testing cycles), but on a long motorway journey, poor economy at the start of the journey has a negligible effect on the trip as a whole.
I hope to crack an indicated 55mpg minimum around the doors with my GTD manual as a reasonable starting point. 10% gains on the outgoing models seem far more likely than VWs touted 20%.
I do think that all those toys will have a detrimental effect on fuel economy – especially if ADC is subtly braking for you a lot if you like to drive closer to the car in front than the system would like you to. I’m used to getting very close to official combined figures on my commute and easily exceeding it on longer journeys, all without driving like a nun – I don’t think I’ll manage it this time.
I think VW may have stretched the truth a bit too much this time and test conditions are further away from real driving conditions than ever.
Those “up to 100kg weight savings” are largely nuts. Unless you’re driving a 120PS or less variant with the simplified rear suspension, you’re unlikely to see more than 35-40kg weight savings. 23kg lost from the body shell and 5kg lost from the smaller capacity fuel tank (which is 90% full for the purposes of VWs testing).
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For anyone interested, here is the EU test on how manufacturers come up with those official figures.
Its an Audi short clip but its the same for all car manufacturers.
Absolute joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQGzQY81Eg
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For anyone interested, here is the EU test on how manufacturers come up with those official figures.
Its an Audi short clip but its the same for all car manufacturers.
Absolute joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQGzQY81Eg
The standard EU test (directive 93/116/EEC) is quite rigid on certain aspects, but some variables have quite a wide scope for manipulation.
They can use a run in car that has more than 3000km, but less than 15000km – if you believe your VW will have significant running in gains (I don’t) – then that’s quite a range.
The car must be set up to standard tune, no extraordinary settings that the customer doesn’t have access to (no fiddling the idling, cold start device and exhaust emission control).
The car must be temperature conditioned for at least 6 hours (so that the fluids such as coolant and oil are also up to ambient temp) at 20 to 30C before the test is run (not really a cold start then, and engine temp reached significantly quicker at 30C than 20C).
Everything that is not needed for the car’s operation (such as lights, radio and aircon) are switched off as a consumer would switch off i.e. you can’t disable a system that would be on normally to do more than the consumer could do to switch it off.
All the lubes have to be standard spec,, tyres have to be standard spec and inflated as per recommendations.
So really, you only have a chance of replicating those test conditions if you switch your lights, radio and aircon off and drive your car in a 30C environment, and have done 10k miles/15k km.
That’s probably more rigid and less open to interpretation on conditions that previous regulations have allowed, but I still don’t see why they can’t standardise the temperature. Any lab worth it’s salt would be able to maintain a 20C or 30C environment +/- 1C, and I bet there’s a good 5% between the same car’s results at 20C and 30C under test conditions.
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I don't understand this fascination with mpg figures. If people are so overly concerned about economy then they should have bought something less powerful (that includes the GTD). These cars are there to be enjoyed and to be driven with a sense of purpose (within reason), and not like driving Miss Daisey
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I don't understand this fascination with mpg figures
Fuel is expensive, that is all it is. We don't want to be paying out more than we have to. Honestly, it is a big factor for a lot of us. Imagine if the GTI had only 15mpg, then if it had 100mpg. Those extremes would massively affect sales. Ergo, smaller shifts in mpg slightly affect sales.
If money were no object I'd agree with you, but then I'd probably be buying a Gallardo, not a GTI. :evil:
Also I think a lot of us will be driving "sensibly" for 90% of the time. We want to be getting the best efficiency during that 90% just like anyone would in any other car. But we still want that 10% of fun, that is the time when we're not thinking about mpg.
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I don't understand this fascination with mpg figures
Fuel is expensive, that is all it is. We don't want to be paying out more than we have to. Honestly, it is a big factor for a lot of us. Imagine if the GTI had only 15mpg, then if it had 100mpg. Those extremes would massively affect sales. Ergo, smaller shifts in mpg slightly affect sales.
If money were no object I'd agree with you, but then I'd probably be buying a Gallardo, not a GTI. :evil:
Also I think a lot of us will be driving "sensibly" for 90% of the time. We want to be getting the best efficiency during that 90% just like anyone would in any other car. But we still want that 10% of fun, that is the time when we're not thinking about mpg.
Bill we all know that petrol/diesel is expensive but if economy was really a huge priority to you then you wouldn't buy these type of cars. There is no point in worrying about mpg all the time as its just going to spoil your enjoyment of the car.
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Exactly as Bill says.
I have a habit of buying high output TDIs because they meet the balance of power and economy that I find appealing.
If I was less concerned I might’ve bought a GTI, or even less concerned then perhaps a Focus ST or Leon Cupra).
I do think that most of us here bought a GTD or GTI with economy in mind, to varying degrees (GTI is relatively frugal on paper for its output, as a petrol engined car). Neither the GTI nor GTD are bought for their outright driving thrills (you’d be disappointed if you did – there are more thrilling cars out there at the same price-point, but you might not want to live with them every day). For those that didn’t give it a thought, why would you buy a GTI/GTD rather than an S3/M3 if running costs were not a consideration?
I buy my cars to a running price-point. With the excellent residuals and economy that I’m used to (that should be exceeded), the GTD fits perfectly with the budget I have allowed for running a car, I get a lot of car for less money than I might be spending for a lesser car of another marque.
In the past I’ve not found the combined efficiency figures an impossible target – I think I might this time though. The sceptic in me thinks that reported 20% gains in efficiency is a tall order. Energy recuperation via braking accounts for an “up to” 3% saving. Modest 40kg weight savings on the higher models will be negligible (the car is pulling 3% less weight than it used to), faster warming on the 2.0 TDI might see a few percent on my commute if the engine warms up a mile or so quicker into my journey. Can’t see those engine frictional surface changes adding up to the other 10-12% savings.
It wasn’t a deal-breaker that my GTD might not achieve 67mpg given my scepticism – I do expect to be getting 55mpg around the doors and 60mpg on a longer journey though. Unobtainable published economy might be a deal-breaker for someone else though, especially if they’re stretching their budget to buy whatever car they chose. Those figures may be what pushed someone from another marque to a GTI/GTD or what pushed a 170TDI VAG owner to the GTI, figuring that if they get a GTI it’ll be giving as many mpg as they currently get with their MK5/MK6/Leon FR/Scirocco TDI170.
On a “frugal” car that currently costs me £140 a month in Diesel, I choose to think that my fuel bill is significant and worthy of my consideration.
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All I'm saying is that you are paying £25-£28k on a depreciating item which is not insignificant amount of money and your worried about the costs of fuel?
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There is no point in worrying about mpg all the time as its just going to spoil your enjoyment of the car.
Couldn't you make the same argument about anything in that case? Don't worry about comfort, don't worry about the price, don't worry about the practicality? I guess some of us won't care about some things, but others will care about those things.
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The bottom line is if you're worried about mpg buy a GTD. If not, buy a GTI and drive it like its stolen. No point in having a car if you're always going to worry what the mpg is - so the argument of which petrol is irrelevant in terms of mpg. Only time it comes into play is if there is an output increase using the 'better' petrol. But then if you're that worried about that then either do a remap or buy a faster car!
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All I'm saying is that you are paying £25-£28k on a depreciating item which is not insignificant amount of money and your worried about the costs of fuel?
I could buy a £15k car that retains 40% of it's value after 3 years and does 20mpg for the same monthly spend, but i'd rather be in a GTD.
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All I'm saying is that you are paying £25-£28k on a depreciating item which is not insignificant amount of money and your worried about the costs of fuel?
I could buy a £15k car that retains 40% of it's value after 3 years and does 20mpg for the same monthly spend, but i'd rather be in a GTD.
Yes and that's your choice so you have to live with whatever the costs of running the car are. There's no getting round it.
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The bottom line is if you're worried about mpg buy a GTD.
I don't buy that argument. If this is true then buy a Prius!
I want to drive a powerful car, with a good interior, practicality and that won't break the bank. The GTI is advertised as such so there is no harm in expecting to get good fuel economy. As Craig says its a £25-28k item we don't need to throw in large fuel costs as well, I'd rather keep them low.
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I do admit there are extremes of concern for mpg which end up impractical.
You’d probably have more fun driving a GTD with a heavy right foot all the time and getting 40mpg for your troubles than nannying a GTI all the time to get 40mpg for your troubles.
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Yes and that's your choice so you have to live with whatever the costs of running the car are. There's no getting round it.
Perhaps I'm getting confused. I don't really understand what your saying here. Are you saying its irrelevant what the mpg is we should just live with it? I don't think that would wash with any other aspect of the car. Its irrelevant what the torque is we should just live with it, its irrelevant what the reliability is we should just live with it, its irrelevant what the colour is we should just live with it? Those are all key aspects of the car, and so is the mpg.
Why must the mpg be considered as not really part of the car, just something you have to deal with?
Or am I misunderstanding what your saying? Apologies if I am.
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Each to their own I suppose! Personally, I fully intend to use the car as it was intended - and not give a toss about consumption. Gotta fill up at some point, I'd rather fill up one extra time per month and have had enjoyed my driving!
Also, you have to remember that the mpg you'll get is highly dependent on how you drive anyway - so it doesn't really matter what VW say you will get as those figures are not how you'll be driving in the real world!
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Each to their own I suppose! Personally, I fully intend to use the car as it was intended - and not give a toss about consumption. Gotta fill up at some point, I'd rather fill up one extra time per month and have had enjoyed my driving!
Perhaps we're talking cross purposes. I'm not going to drive any differently to how I do now. I'm not talking about teasing every last mpg from it. But just because of that doesn't mean I'd be happy to see 20 mpg.
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Errr.....don't think I ever said I was obsessed over mpg ?
My current Scirocco TDI doesn't actually achieve the published figures, but then I never thought it would, and it doesn't worry me one bit, especially as I drive it quite "enthusiastically". The question was more whether the GTD will give me similar economy with 18" alloys that my TDI Rocco does with 18s. If it does, I'll be well happy, as the Rocco gives me a average 45 mpg without having to worry how I drive it.
If the GTD gives me the same economy despite it being more powerful and thus not having to "nanny" it to get a consumption figure that I'd be delighted with, then the GTD will be even more the perfect car for me than I already currently think it is.
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Each to their own I suppose! Personally, I fully intend to use the car as it was intended - and not give a toss about consumption. Gotta fill up at some point, I'd rather fill up one extra time per month and have had enjoyed my driving!
Perhaps we're talking cross purposes. I'm not going to drive any differently to how I do now. I'm not talking about teasing every last mpg from it. But just because of that doesn't mean I'd be happy to see 20 mpg.
Don't worry, you won't! From my experience you'll see 10 less than what VW state, so with the GTI you'll get 37mpg - which is pretty decent!
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Don't worry, you won't! From my experience you'll see 10 less than what VW state, so with the GTI you'll get 37mpg - which is pretty decent!
Agreed, which is also the stated urban mpg for the GTI which is usually what I get as an average for mixed driving. If I can get 37 day to day and 40+ on longer runs not racing it then I'll be happy. I forget what the Autocar touring mpg was on test but I think it was in the 40s.
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Yes and that's your choice so you have to live with whatever the costs of running the car are. There's no getting round it.
Perhaps I'm getting confused. I don't really understand what your saying here. Are you saying its irrelevant what the mpg is we should just live with it? I don't think that would wash with any other aspect of the car. Its irrelevant what the torque is we should just live with it, its irrelevant what the reliability is we should just live with it, its irrelevant what the colour is we should just live with it? Those are all key aspects of the car, and so is the mpg.
Why must the mpg be considered as not really part of the car, just something you have to deal with?
Or am I misunderstanding what your saying? Apologies if I am.
Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.
Reliabilty is a completely different argument. I would expect my car to be 100% reliable and if not then i would be taking it back to get sorted. If you go into a dealership complaining that your not getting the mpg you expected what do you expext the dealership to do?
Colour choice? I don't see how that fits into this debate. That is your personal choice and there is zip that can be done if you don't like it
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Last weekend, I took my new MK7 GTI on an extended spin on the Motorway, Galway to Dublin and back (about 265 miles round trip).
The car averaged approx 32mpg on that trip.
Having said that, I was being slightly bold and cruised in excess of the speed limit for the vast majority of the trip (85mph approx).
I'd expect the MPG to be slightly better if my right foot was a little less heavy.
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Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.
Mate, we're talking cross purposes then! :tongue:
I'm not interested in trying to achieve any specific mpg, the maximum or otherwise. I just want to see that the car does what is advertised. Or rather, that it is at the real level you'd expect based on what is advertised, not lower than. If they advertise 47 and I get less than, say, 37 I'd be upset in exactly the same way as if they advertise 217bhp and I put it on a dyno and found it was only 180bhp. Or if it arrived with damaged paint work, or if parts of the interior were loose etc...
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Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.
Mate, we're talking cross purposes then! :tongue:
I'm not interested in trying to achieve any specific mpg, the maximum or otherwise. I just want to see that the car does what is advertised. Or rather, that it is at the real level you'd expect based on what is advertised, not lower than. If they advertise 47 and I get less than, say, 37 I'd be upset in exactly the same way as if they advertise 217bhp and I put it on a dyno and found it was only 180bhp. Or if it arrived with damaged paint work, or if parts of the interior were loose etc...
You won't find any car in the whole world that does the mpg that the manufacturer states it does Bill - use it as a guide only then minus 10. That's one thing that you'll never get as stated by them!
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You won't find any car in the whole world that does the mpg that the manufacturer states it does Bill - use it as a guide only then minus 10. That's one thing that you'll never get as stated by them!
That will disappoint Bill : 47mpg minus 10 = 37mpg. 20% less than published combined figures seems to be the norm for MK7 Golfs (both TSI and TDI across the engine range), 6% less for me and my Scirocco right now, suggesting to me that the published 20% gains of the MK7 are largely sh!te.
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Yes Bill, that is basically what i'm saying. Unless your car is averaging something ridiculous, (in which case there would be clearly something wrong) then there is very little you can do apart from perhaps changing your driving style. You are very unlikely to achieve the quoted figures as they are set on a rolling road in perfect conditions.
Mate, we're talking cross purposes then! :tongue:
I'm not interested in trying to achieve any specific mpg, the maximum or otherwise. I just want to see that the car does what is advertised. Or rather, that it is at the real level you'd expect based on what is advertised, not lower than. If they advertise 47 and I get less than, say, 37 I'd be upset in exactly the same way as if they advertise 217bhp and I put it on a dyno and found it was only 180bhp. Or if it arrived with damaged paint work, or if parts of the interior were loose etc...
You won't find any car in the whole world that does the mpg that the manufacturer states it does Bill - use it as a guide only then minus 10. That's one thing that you'll never get as stated by them!
Exactly
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Guys, I don't recall saying I expected to get 47 mpg. :huh: I've been consistently saying the exact opposite of this.
What I said was I expected to get some reasonable level below 47... lets say 37. Getting less than 37 = bad. Getting more than 37 = pleasantly surprised. Isn't that what this tread is about?
I only posted in this tread because I disagreed with the idea that *seemed* to be being floated that the mpg could turn out to be absolutely anything and no one should even care because its a GTI, and GTI owners shouldn't care about mpg. And I don't think that is right. There are levels that are acceptable and ones that are not.
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I only posted in this tread because I disagreed with the idea that *seemed* to be being floated that the mpg could turn out to be absolutely anything and no one should even care because its a GTI, and GTI owners shouldn't care about mpg. And I don't think that is right. There are levels that are acceptable and ones that are not.
Agreed Bear, I care about MPG but only relative to what I should be expecting to get. If I wanted more theoretical MPG, I'd have bought something else.
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I don't think I've ever achieved the published mpg figures, when I get the opportunity to push along I know I have no hope of getting even close...and that's OK, but when I am forced to drive at a steady pace due to traffic or road conditions, I want the most MPG I can get.
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Had my usual trip into work today which is approximately 22 miles including normal town streets and motorway stretches. Was surprisingly pleased to see that the average mpg was 39.9 for the trip which I thought was tremendous. I didn't cain it at any point but did do motorway speeds of 70ish :rolleyes: and kept a decent pace. Quite a few stop/starts at traffic lights as well.
Was a huge improvement on what i was seeing last week which was low 20's
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the average mpg was 39.9
Yeah baby! Thats music to my ears. Cheers for the update!
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My dad's GTD DSG has improved recently too - he's averaging an actual 54mpg (60mpg indicated in MFD), and the indicated figure is comparable with the publishedncombined figure for a 5 door DSG GTD (60.1mpg). Considering how he drives on the motorway (likes to maintain 90mph) that's quite an achievement.
MFD being 10% out from reality is nothing new, my Scirocco is around that far out.
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I m waiting for my Golf GTI ( due early Sept ) and based on the fact my current car (Peugeot RCZ 200bhp) has a claimed combined of 40 and I m getting 36 mpg ( some 10% less ) I was hoping my GTI to achieve 40 mpg at least !
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Had my usual trip into work today which is approximately 22 miles including normal town streets and motorway stretches. Was surprisingly pleased to see that the average mpg was 39.9 for the trip which I thought was tremendous. I didn't cain it at any point but did do motorway speeds of 70ish :rolleyes: and kept a decent pace. Quite a few stop/starts at traffic lights as well.
Was a huge improvement on what i was seeing last week which was low 20's
I think that's excellent mpg for a relatively short journey, it makes me more confident of achieving close to 40 - 45mpg on my longer 97mile ad hoc commute.
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Another update from today guys. Went for a longer journey today and the car is performing fantastically well. It's got bags of power when you want to put the foot down and when you just want to cruise its a great tourer. However, best of all is the economy which is getting better and better :smiley: :smiley: Check out my stats below so far
The first one shows what I achieved today with some vigorous driving now and again
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03751.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03751.jpg.html)
The next one shows my total overall bearing in mind that it didn't start particularly well
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03761.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03761.jpg.html)
Finally just a few pics and a small video from today (ps I asked my partner to drive past whilst I filmed and she went at about 10mph :grin:)
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03711.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03711.jpg.html)
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03701.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03701.jpg.html)
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx40/CraigW_01/IMG_03791.jpg) (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/CraigW_01/media/IMG_03791.jpg.html)
http://youtu.be/V8KzVlaJygQ
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Awesome Craig! Thanks for the info, more than 40mpg yay! I may be being thick but couldnt see the video (I see it now... I must be blind).
One thing though. get your nav on button pointing straight! :angry: :grin: :grin:
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Cool. When do I get mine??
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Any pics of the missus? :grin:
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Awesome Craig! Thanks for the info, more than 40mpg yay! I may be being thick but couldnt see the video (I see it now... I must be blind).
One thing though. get your nav on button pointing straight! :angry: :grin: :grin:
:grin: :grin: :grin: Yeah sorry about that Bill.
Slightly off topic but I have to say out of all of the nice options I added the best decision I made by far was the colour. I am so glad I now went for white. Yes I had quite a few bug splatters on the car today but that is nothing compared to the constant frustration I had with the paint swirls on my previous black cars. I thought that I would possible regret my choice of white but absolutely 100% the best decision :smiley: :smiley:
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Any pics of the missus? :grin:
God no, I wouldn't want to scare you Joe :grin: :grin: :grin:
Thank god she doesn't know my log in to this site
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Any pics of the missus? :grin:
God no, I wouldn't want to scare you Joe :grin: :grin: :grin:
Thank god she doesn't know my log in to this site
:grin: :grin:
Must say I'm not seeing mpg figures anything like yours but 95% of my journeys are very short. I just haven't had a chance to take it for a good spin away from city / motorway yet.
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Some nice info there mate thanks! 8)
Looking at the display it seems even VW think you should have got a 5 door! :-X :P
I bet that couple thought you were nuts?
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Some nice info there mate thanks! 8)
Looking at the display it seems even VW think you should have got a 5 door! :-X :P
:grin: :grin: :grin: I've not spotted that before
I bet that couple thought you were nuts?
I was getting some very strange looks from them but it shows the lengths ill go to for you guys :grin:
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Thanks for the info Craig :smiley:
Reassuring those type of figures.
Is that 100 miles stated what remains in the tank at that point? Out of interest what is the fuel gauge showing in relation to that?
I find my miles remaining always shows much less than the fuel gauge seems to suggest. On the very few occasions I've dared to let the remaining miles get to like 5. When I've then filled it up, its always taken nearly 10 litres less than the tank allows, which suggests there's more left in the tank, so the computer on mine isn't that close in terms of fuel / miles remaining.
Just wondered how accurate it was on GTI... Just to be picky and pass a little time while I wait for mine :rolleyes:
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Thanks for the info Craig :smiley:
Reassuring those type of figures.
Is that 100 miles stated what remains in the tank at that point? Out of interest what is the fuel gauge showing in relation to that?
I find my miles remaining always shows much less than the fuel gauge seems to suggest. On the very few occasions I've dared to let the remaining miles get to like 5. When I've then filled it up, its always taken nearly 10 litres less than the tank allows, which suggests there's more left in the tank, so the computer on mine isn't that close in terms of fuel / miles remaining.
Just wondered how accurate it was on GTI... Just to be picky and pass a little time while I wait for mine :rolleyes:
It's really interesting you should mention this Chris. From memory, I think there was just under a 1/3 of a tank remaining which to me would suggest more than 100 miles left in the tank. I'll be curious to see what's left when I go to fill up next time
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It's really interesting you should mention this Chris. From memory, I think there was just under a 1/3 of a tank remaining which to me would suggest more than 100 miles left in the tank. I'll be curious to see what's left when I go to fill up next time
Yes it would be interesting to know what miles remaining / fuel tank says and what actually goes in the tank when you fill it up if you don't mind :smiley:
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Any pics of the missus? :grin:
I was thinking that :grin:
Excellent work Craig, making our wait a little more bearable! I especially like the vid, I think that should be a must for new owners along with pics!
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Any pics of the missus? :grin:
I was thinking that :grin:
Excellent work Craig, making our wait a little more bearable! I especially like the vid, I think that should be a must for new owners along with pics!
Thanks Mark. I expect to see plenty of pics and vids from you guys when you collect your shiny new cars :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Thanks for the info, more than 40mpg yay!
Well yes and no - you can probably knock 10% off that for a reality check. Don't know how VW (and probably every other manufacturer) can get away with actual (brim fill method) and indicated being 10% away from each other. Probable 35/36 mpg in reality. My dad's GTD is indicating 10% more than actual and just today filling up my Scirocco my car had done 539 miles on 54.45litres (12 gallons), or 45 mpg - computer says 50.2mpg for the tankful. It's all relative though, if you've had a VW before and are used to trusting what the MFD says then indicated 40mpg vs 35mpg indicated on a MK6 GTI is still an improvement.
You will generally find the last 120 miles range on the tank as it counts down ends up giving 80-90 miles before it says zero, the last 1/4 tank depletion isn't very linear.
My car was supposedly within 0.5l of empty (55 litre tank, 54.45 litres added in fill) when I filled it today whilst it was saying there was 20 miles left. Based on a true 45mpg that would mean 2 litres of fuel left to zero, or 56.5 litres to zero. I know there is filling capacity in the filling tube, but I have run the car dry once (300 yards from the garage I was going to fill at) and only got 55.2 litres to filled. Can't help thinking I got diddled at the filling station today.
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Point taken, but then I'm comparing to the read out of my Ford, which gets 38 and I want the GTI to be at least this. The Ford presumably has the same measurement errors. So for this purpose 40 really is 40. Actually that's what you said isn't it? :tongue:
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Sorry to hi-jack thread, but seeing as you've physically got one..
Does it come with car mats? What's the diameter of the steering wheel?
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Sorry to hi-jack thread, but seeing as you've physically got one..
Does it come with car mats? What's the diameter of the steering wheel?
It comes with carpet mats but no GTI logo which I was hoping for. Not sure about the diameter of the wheel. I'll measure it tomorrow and get back to you :smiley:
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Cheers Craig. I'm glad it comes with mats, i was going to kick off otherwise!
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Just had a chat with my colleague over in Hamburg, Germany. He recently took delivery of his 5 door DSG equipped GTD, and last weekend, he went with his family from Buchen (near Hamburg) to Nuremberg a distance of approx 650km (400 miles), so an 800 mile round trip with a new car (has approx 2,100km on it so far).
According to him, travelling at approx 130km/hr (80mph) on the autobahn's (as he had his small child in the car), with cruise set for a good deal of the journey, for the overall trip he averaged 4.2 l/km which equates to approx 67mpg. Assuming approx 5-10% inaccuracy for the trip computer, it would translate to 60-64mpg true.
Not too shabby for a fully loaded car with DSG and 184hp. I'd be well happy with that and should even improve very slightly as the miles pile on. Oh, and by the way, he said for cruising on the motorway, he's never been in a car so well suited. Quiet, supple, comfortable and with plenty of poke when the need arises. He loves his GTD (and he had a BMW 320d before).
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Dear fellas
Now we have some Gtis and gtds on the road can some of you lucky sods tell the rest of us what type of fuel economy you are enjoying..or not. And whether you are pleased with it.
Any insight would be really appreciated.
Best wishes
Simon
P.s. please post separately about how much fun your having too. :laugh:
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Dear fellas
Now we have some Gtis and gtds on the road can some of you lucky sods tell the rest of us what type of fuel economy you are enjoying..or not. And whether you are pleased with it.
Any insight would be really appreciated.
Best wishes
Simon
P.s. please post separately about how much fun your having too. :laugh:
If I can recall im sitting at approx. 33.5mpg after 1000 miles which is ok
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Just had a chat with my colleague over in Hamburg, Germany. He recently took delivery of his 5 door DSG equipped GTD, and last weekend, he went with his family from Buchen (near Hamburg) to Nuremberg a distance of approx 650km (400 miles), so an 800 mile round trip with a new car (has approx 2,100km on it so far).
According to him, travelling at approx 130km/hr (80mph) on the autobahn's (as he had his small child in the car), with cruise set for a good deal of the journey, for the overall trip he averaged 4.2 l/km which equates to approx 67mpg. Assuming approx 5-10% inaccuracy for the trip computer, it would translate to 60-64mpg true.
Not too shabby for a fully loaded car with DSG and 184hp. I'd be well happy with that and should even improve very slightly as the miles pile on. Oh, and by the way, he said for cruising on the motorway, he's never been in a car so well suited. Quiet, supple, comfortable and with plenty of poke when the need arises. He loves his GTD (and he had a BMW 320d before).
Currently achieving about 40mpg on my commute with a driving style that used to achieve 50mpg on my commute in my Scirocco 170TDI. Longer journeys averaging 46mpg that would have achieved an easy 53mpg with the Scirocco being driven a lot harder. Upper gear pull seems a little down vs my Scirocco, i'm wondering if the car is on some kind of running in cycle (My Scirocco seemed to get a new lease of life when it hit 310 miles/500km).