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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Leroy on 10 July 2013, 21:18
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You know it's bad when you can see the rust coming even when there is 3 inches of plastic arch spat hiding it!!!
(http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/leroy6660/16valver/null_zps9cb045e3.jpg)
And if you think that's bad...
(http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/leroy6660/16valver/null_zps452e2742.jpg)
What's a realistic cost for me to get these cut out and those £30 arch repair panels welded in and sprayed?
Where murraymint when you need him? Oh he's bought that Bora!
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ouch :shocked: but atleast u had the balls to take um off Im bricking myself lol im intreasted on seein the prices myself
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Seen worse :undecided:
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Properly, there is at least grand of work there if your paying out your own pocket with a couple of favours thrown in :sad:
That would need most of each side sprayed in to blend the paint, also how far that needs to be cut back may mean you need a bigger panel to cut out what you need.
Your inner wings will need some work, custom fab let in and proofed.
The sills look a bit crispy too poking out, best get the sill covers off to see if its even worth saving :sad:
Mine was worse a few Mk3's ago quoted £900 from a friend to do it, went out and bought a new Mk3 for £450 with sh!t loads less rot and stripped the good bits off for spares.
Question is does the anni tag make it worth it......
Thom will be able to give you good guidance :smiley:
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I would think the end of the sill is bound to be a bit gone. with the water getting thrown up from wheel and in through holes in the arches. when it comes to welding its never only what you can first see. was there actually anything holding the n/s plastic on?
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You called? Dont worry I still check in, I Haven't truly embraced the mk4 section yet lol. Those arches look bad! I think I still have a pass side arch repair pannel (ordered the wrong side for mine) if you want it?
What's your plan now? Keep the car and do the rust repair? Cut your losses and sell up? (Mines still for sale :wink:) the only reason I did mine was because I could do 99% of the work myself. But other then paint, it's not that hard to do, it's just cutting and welding, if you f**k it up, cut it out and try again, then the filler work is just patience.
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Sills are bound to be goosed too! What likes the front arches?
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Haha, murraymint nice to hear from you! I'm keeping the car no matter what, seeing your build thread is inspiring and once it done its done.
I prob wouldn't bother if it wasn't an anni 16v, apparently it's had new sills, iv got a receipt in the history, and by the looks of its had a new front arch and I've got a new one in the garage for the other side. Once the arches have been cut out and welded I've just got some rust under the back window I'm cutting out and then a few scabs here and there then it will get a respray.
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I've seen worse.....my OSR outer arch is virtually non existant under the arch trim....sprayed on some rust inhibiting paint to stop it spreading and stuck the trims back on. Will sort it properly eventually, when I've learnt to weld!
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Also I wouldn't say its gonna cost a grand. Shop around, could get it done for about £600 I bet.
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Yes, I'm liking this "it's not that bad" talk, at the end of the day if you've got to cut the arch off and weld one on anyway, it won't matter how much rust there is, but as VW Bush said if its spread to parts the new panel doesn't replace then the costs will be fabricating new stuff.
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if i was you i'd take the rear bumper off, the side skirts off and then see what its like. If its rotten through there. then i'd personally sit down and have a think what i wanted to do with this car. That is alot of rust.
and if you really thinking about keeping it and giving it for a full respray. then do it once and get it done properly. at the end of the day it is an 16v anni. :wink:
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Tbh patching behind the side skirts is pretty simple if they'll be put back on, doesn;t have to be the neatest of jobs. Same with behind the bumper etc. Wouldn't put me off too much. I'd say the arch repair panels will likely cover all the affected area anyway, including the end of the sill.
http://www.clevelandpanels.com/volkswagen/volkswagen-golf-3-91-97/rear-wheel-arch-r-h-3-door.html
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I like you Callum :cool:
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Thanks for the link, they are even cheaper than the ones ive seen, saved me a few quid. :wink:
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if i was you i'd take the rear bumper off, the side skirts off and then see what its like. If its rotten through there. then i'd personally sit down and have a think what i wanted to do with this car. That is alot of rust.
and if you really thinking about keeping it and giving it for a full respray. then do it once and get it done properly. at the end of the day it is an 16v anni. :wink:
I know it looks bad, but im not going to find another mk3 without rusty arches under the trims, nevermind a 16v anni, im treated it as being part and parcel of being a mk3 owner, and like murraymint, once its done, it shouldn't need doing again.
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Had no rust under mine! :smug:
Some did develop after I took the plastic off but just minor stuff.
Your car is worth saving mate!
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Here you go leroy I knew I still had it
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h364/murrayminf/DSC_0557_zpsb124ed45.jpg)
If you Havnt ordered one you can have this for the price of postage, as I'm never gunna use it, and Itl look better on your car then under my spare bed.
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All this talk of mk3s n stuff, is making me question selling mine :whistle:...............
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i hope you got some cash saved up!
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Patches under the sill trims make them sit funny and look blargh.
This will not be cheap to pay for.
Ask Murray to estimate the hours required to do this work properly and multiply it by 20 ph which is a fair rate.
It is a rare car and im not trying to put you off but a quick job will look gash
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Even if it is an Anni i think thats past saving.. :sad:
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its just surface rust don't worry :wink:
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its just surface rust don't worry :wink:
Haha..yeah....thats rot....plain and simple.
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if i was you i'd take the rear bumper off, the side skirts off and then see what its like. If its rotten through there. then i'd personally sit down and have a think what i wanted to do with this car. That is alot of rust.
and if you really thinking about keeping it and giving it for a full respray. then do it once and get it done properly. at the end of the day it is an 16v anni. :wink:
I know it looks bad, but im not going to find another mk3 without rusty arches under the trims, nevermind a 16v anni, im treated it as being part and parcel of being a mk3 owner, and like murraymint, once its done, it shouldn't need doing again.
Of course you would. None rust 16v are out there as I have one
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but maybe you have the only one :huh:
if i was you i'd take the rear bumper off, the side skirts off and then see what its like. If its rotten through there. then i'd personally sit down and have a think what i wanted to do with this car. That is alot of rust.
and if you really thinking about keeping it and giving it for a full respray. then do it once and get it done properly. at the end of the day it is an 16v anni. :wink:
I know it looks bad, but im not going to find another mk3 without rusty arches under the trims, nevermind a 16v anni, im treated it as being part and parcel of being a mk3 owner, and like murraymint, once its done, it shouldn't need doing again.
Of course you would. None rust 16v are out there as I have one
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doh! how on earth did my sentence end up above the quotes?
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Lol am sure there are quite a few. Just need to look hard and not rush into it
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Took me 6 months to do mine ....... :rolleyes:
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You often find in breakers the odd poverty spec mk3 with good arches. Cutting out the outer and a section of the inner arches and fabricate into yours. If done right it could remain invisible if thats what you want. I've done all this work to my last mk3 but used aftermarket repair panels and it was a far job to get right, albeit it was a more door. I jus scrapped a 92 vr6 with solid rears so they are out there. The early mk3's have slightly thicker steel at the arches.
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I remember when I rang up about your car when it was for sale, it sounded rough on the phone.....
Personally I would scrap that and start again, even being a 16v Anni it won't make it worth more when fixed .
Shame but with the ammount of mk3s ive broke up, that looks like a bad one rust wise.
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its just surface rust don't worry :wink:
Haha..yeah....thats rot....plain and simple.
Yeah I know, exactly the reason I never removed mine, was scared of what I'd find
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Why are people saying to scrap it? Rotten arches are not a structural issue or an MOT failure. If the sills are solid like you say, stick the trims back on for the moment to hide the worst and get it sorted when you can afford it.
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Also take rear interior panels off as you can see right in there down to the sill and will give you a better idea of whats rotting. Inspect the whole car before deciding what to do.
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Cheers for all your input guys, much appreciated. Murraymint, thanks for the arch mate, ive pm'ed you. Thats the great thing about this forum apart from the sarcasm (which is funny as hell) everyone is prepared to help each other out, even giving parts away to help another member out!
What im intending to do is like you've said, strip off all the plastics and bumpers at the body shop, have a chat with them and talk realistically how much it will cost to sort, if it silly money i'll admit defeat and not get the work done, but as Callum said i can always stick the plastic arches back on and noone will be any wiser, i can drive it round for years yet and break it when it finally dies.
Hopefully if the price isn't ridiculous and they are willing to take the job on, i'll be doing a bit at a time, and restore it over time rather than in one big go. it will mean the car will have patches of primer on for a while or i can get it blasted in black so it doesn't stand out and then once the cutting and welding are done i'll get it fully resprayed properly. By then it might be worth someat!!! :grin:
I've no doubt 10years ago the mk1 boys were having the same discussions whether to save and restore or scrap it, and look at how much they go for now! The rate these rust and how much they are worth now (i.e pittence) loads will be broken and as the supply gets lower, demand increases.
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Your certainly brave, be interesting to see how you get on and it'll be a masterclass if you pull it off.. :smiley:
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Naaa it's easy! I'd rather do metal work then engine work. But that just my trade
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Hey I'm on the exactly the same boat as you :( the fact mines isn't an "Anni" but infact a colour concept spec model, is making me hesitate getting the major repair works done to mine. When I asked my local body shop about doing the smaller repair panels they were urging me to get the whole rear quarters done to be safe :( I have my car totally stripped down ready to go into body shop just need to get auto glass to come remove my all my windows except doors obv :(... For new floor pan, 2 sills, 2 full rear quarters and a respray they quoted me just under 2K !!! Don't know why Im even considering it tbh :/ maybe just cos I've had it for a few years now.
Helpppppppppp :cry:
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I would not bother. Just get another car
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2k will buy you a show pony with no rust and a 1.8t already fitted....
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2k will buy you a show pony with no rust and a 1.8t already fitted....
Find me one of those then lol
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2k will buy you a show pony with no rust and a 1.8t already fitted....
Find me one of those then lol
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254814.0
Ok not a 1.8t and now at £2800 but you get the idea :smiley:
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Looks sweet but it's neither a limited edition version of the mk3 or a 1.8t lol
Would buy it without the wheels :/
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Looks sweet but it's neither a limited edition version of the mk3 or a 1.8t lol
Would buy it without the wheels :/
Granted, I did say it was a VR but there are loads out there with all the right bits.
Anni's are nice but few bits of red nylon dont make it special, do prefer concepts out of all the "special" editions but none are worth anything if they are rotten.
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True mate
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True mate
Sad really, I think if I was buying a Mk3 to make something special out of it I would buy an early poverty spec car so I can see the shell without any plastic trim hiding nastiness and use a rotten performance donor car for the good bits.
Whether you then fit the plastic bits is down to preference but if done properly you should get lots of rust free miles from it.
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:(... For new floor pan, 2 sills, 2 full rear quarters and a respray they quoted me just under 2K !!! Don't know why Im even considering it tbh :/ maybe just cos I've had it for a few years now.
If i get quoted £2k i think i would seriously consider breaking, i'm hoping to get both my arches and other rust scabs done for a grand, but a new floorpan, sills and rear quarters, thats half the car that needs replacing!!! is that for the panels as well? why do you need whole new rear quarter for rusty rear arches when those weld in panels cover so much area?
Theres a guy selling genuine rear quarters on ebay for £130ish but might be 5-door in case that saves you some money.