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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: GolfTi on 09 July 2013, 23:04

Title: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GolfTi on 09 July 2013, 23:04
This is just fantastic technology.

It does freak you out a little at first when the car takes control but after a while you just sit there and think 'wow this is amazing'

It has different settings so you can decide how close you are to the car in front and behaves differently depending on the mode you choose.

And five insurance groups lower....
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 09 July 2013, 23:07
I'm definitely looking forward to trying this on my normal A14 commute.  Gonna make life so much easier.
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GolfTi on 09 July 2013, 23:17
Say for instance you are following a car in the middle lane of a motorway at 60 with the cruise control set at 70 (of course), the instant you move into the fast lane off it goes.
The acceleration depends on the mode you are in at the time.

Still trying to get my head around it - brilliant.
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 09 July 2013, 23:35
Say for instance you are following a car in the middle lane of a motorway at 60 with the cruise control set at 70 (of course), the instant you move into the fast lane off it goes.
The acceleration depends on the mode you are in at the time.

Still trying to get my head around it - brilliant.

Just how close can you get to the car in front with the system active? The reason - I get very cross if people move into my safe distance zone (i.e. cutting in).
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 09 July 2013, 23:37
Say for instance you are following a car in the middle lane of a motorway at 60 with the cruise control set at 70 (of course), the instant you move into the fast lane off it goes.
The acceleration depends on the mode you are in at the time.

Still trying to get my head around it - brilliant.

Just how close can you get to the car in front with the system active? The reason - I get very cross if people move into my safe distance zone (i.e. cutting in).

Tell me about it! That's so annoying.  You slow down to make room and in they pop, so you slow down again and, oh look another dipsh!t cuts in.  It's times like these I wonder why my car doesn't have James Bond rocket launchers behind the headlights. :evil:
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GolfTi on 09 July 2013, 23:41
It's about two chevrons on the 'close' setting.

I haven't tried 'very close' yet but I don't think there will be very much difference.

Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Hawaii-Five-O on 09 July 2013, 23:44
It's about two chevrons on the 'close' setting.

I haven't tried 'very close' yet but I don't think there will be very much difference.

Thanks bud that's interesting. Still room for b*stards to cut in though :angry:

Maybe set to 'very close' will be spot on?
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 09 July 2013, 23:45
It's about two chevrons on the 'close' setting.

I haven't tried 'very close' yet but I don't think there will be very much difference.

Thanks bud that's interesting. Still room for b*stards to cut in though :angry:

Maybe set to 'very close' will be spot on?

Would have to be less than a car length to stop some people! :tongue:
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GolfTi on 09 July 2013, 23:52
The insurance companies seem to think it is a very good idea.

Somehow, if someone does cut in, you don't care.
Cool calm and collected.

The car that is.
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Running Man on 10 July 2013, 00:07
ADC Sounds great......however what if you switch it off and then you roll into a car in front?

Will your insurance pay out?  ECU says you switched it off?
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 10 July 2013, 00:09
Isn't it always your fault if you hit the car in front though, ADC or not...?
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Running Man on 10 July 2013, 00:12
Isn't it always your fault if you hit the car in front though, ADC or not...?

Good point, but were they expecting the ADC to stop the car?  And if you switched it off is that a get out clause for the insurance company to NOT pay out?
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Bill_the_Bear on 10 July 2013, 00:14
Maybe this requires reading the fine print.  If you turn off ESP and then skid are you liable?  Presumable same applies here...
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GolfTi on 10 July 2013, 00:16
If its switched on it will be very difficult to ram the car in front.
Combined with the City Collision thingy it can only be good.

Switched off? Insurance companies will pay out and then hit you with premium increases.
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GolfTi on 10 July 2013, 00:17
They think most of you will use it, so do I.
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Sootchucker on 10 July 2013, 07:13
Stand to be corrected here, but I think I read its only the DSG models that can brake completely to a standstill, and the city emergency brake system only works at speeds up to 15mph then switches off.

Ultimately, its still the drivers responsibility to ensure he has full control of the vehicle and takes the appropriate emergency action.

Beautiful GTI BTW  :grin:
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: GTI_Redpath on 10 July 2013, 07:58
Stand to be corrected here, but I think I read its only the DSG models that can brake completely to a standstill, and the city emergency brake system only works at speeds upto 15mph think switches off.

Ultimately, its still the drivers responsibility to ensure he has full control of the vehicle and takes the appropriate emergency action.

Beautiful GTI BTW  :grin:

actually i never thought of that, doesn't a manual make the automatic cruise control a bit pointless?
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: Sootchucker on 10 July 2013, 08:03
As long as its still in the selected gears power-band, then there should be no difference to a DSG, however if the car slows down to a point where another lower gear is required, won't that deactivate auto cruise as soon as the clutch is dipped, whereas a DSG will automatically change down whilst keeping the cruise set ?
Title: Re: Automatic Cruise Control
Post by: monkeyhanger on 10 July 2013, 08:32
If it’s not an “always on” system (which it isn’t) that you deactivated via VCDS or removed/impeded the apparatus/sensors then you cannot be penalised by your insurance company for not using it e.g. you hit someone and they won’t pay for your cars repairs. They will pay out, but you’ll be hit with the usual price hikes and loss of NCD (unless it is protected) as expected for a fault claim.
Norbreck is right – if you have a manual, the system won’t brake the car to the point it is slower than idling speed for the gear it is in. That would stall the car and you’d lose your braking assistance as a result. Instead the car relies on a short and sharp step on the brakes to prompt the driver to start braking for themselves. The next step could well be future ability of the car to knock itself into neutral and bring a manual to a safe stop via the ADC

City emergency braking working to 15mph – It’s likely that at this low speed the ADC is authorised to bring the car to a stop even though stalling of the engine on a manual left in gear is inevitable (1st or 2nd gear stalling – no big deal, stalling would happen at a couple of mph in 1st gear or about 6mph in 2nd gear).
The “very close” gap for the ADC settings is still plenty for the average arsehole to nip in between you and the car in front, the price you pay for the car being assured it can stop you or slow you down with fair enough warning. The ADC doesn’t really detect the car in front until it is squarely in front of you. If a car is coming into your lane and then brakes before it is fully in, the ADC may not even see it to start braking for you. My dad noticed this happening a few times on his drive home with the GTD.

Although my dad didn’t experience it, others on the VWAudi forum have experienced false alert braking when a bus or truck is up with you in the other lane just ahead of you and gets detected as an ADC threat.