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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: MkVIIGTD on 28 June 2013, 18:45
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Just got this email from my dealer less than half an hour ago...
Hi,
A bulletin has just appeared from Volkswagen saying that the rear camera option has been removed from our factory ordering system temporarily. This is the message we got –
The rear-view camera for both Golf Hatchback and the new Golf Estate (KA1) will be removed from ordering from Monday 1 July until further notice.
This is because of limited capacity and stronger than expected demand on this option, which could cause delays in production.
KA1 will be removed from Stock, Showroom and Demonstrator orders that have not yet scheduled to free up supply for tagged orders.
We hope to reintroduce this soon.
It is an inexpensive option now that the touchscreen radio is standard on Golfs, as opposed to the MK6 Golf where a radio upgrade was required first, which is why it has been popular.
They are still going to include it with orders already in the system, but any new customers won’t be able to order it as an option.
I would suggest that this is probably what’s holding up your order but then again we have GTI/GTDs on order with no camera option and they are still not being built yet. I don’t know whether to suggest removing it from your order or just leaving things as they are. Let me know if you have any thoughts.
Regards
*Mr Dealer*
I have rear view camera specced on my order. I ordered on 29th March and have an unconfirmed BW 34. I hope this isn't going to put it back any further, as I'm already not at all pleased having to wait so long for such an early order!!
Any other guys out there ordered rear view camera? :huh:
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I don't really see the need for a rear camera as IMO it's just a gimmick. What do you really need it for?
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Yes I've got it and I'm not going to take it off :shocked:
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Hmm..I specced it on my GTD and it went into confirmed build week 33 Yesterday.
Hope this means mines OK ?
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ordered it too
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Its actually the most popular option:
(http://s14.postimg.org/sfxhbajox/Golf_GTI_Orders.png)
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If you try and figure out the options to and not to order ,for delivery reasons ,well could turn yo to Drink :grin:
I have a full options GTI on order sept /oct est .
My current Golf R full options took 13 months due to cock ups ,I did get a brand new GTI for 9 months free and
£2000 extra discount because the delivery spec was slightly wrong , Hope this time all goes well for me and you guys :grin:
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I have it on my MK6 and it would be one of the first options I would pick on a MK7.
Anyone new to get into the car is always very impressed,, :smiley:
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It's specced on mine, and it's staying put :smiley:
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It's specced on mine, and it's staying put :smiley:
Mine too, if they tell me it's been taken off the order a swift call to VWCS will follow!! :angry:
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I don't really see the need for a rear camera as IMO it's just a gimmick. What do you really need it for?
Most folk think that but order it as its cheap and as a gimmick. It beats the parking sensors by miles and is the only option I miss on my current car. It will certainly be the first option I add when I come back to VW even if it does delay the order by several weeks.
It's anything but a gimmick.
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I don't really see the need for a rear camera as IMO it's just a gimmick. What do you really need it for?
Oh I dunno', parking convenience maybe?! Plenty of things are gimmicky, standard or otherwise. My mate thought parking sensors were a gimmick until he got a car with them. He also throught cruise was a bit of a gimmick until he realised he easy it made motorway driving and otherwise sticking to speed limits in average speed checks.
Nice to know they are looking after their existing customer orders on this one, was the first thing I specced.
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I don't really see the need for a rear camera as IMO it's just a gimmick. What do you really need it for?
Oh I dunno', parking convenience maybe?! Plenty of things are gimmicky, standard or otherwise. My mate thought parking sensors were a gimmick until he got a car with them. He also throught cruise was a bit of a gimmick until he realised he easy it made motorway driving and otherwise sticking to speed limits in average speed checks.
Nice to know they are looking after their existing customer orders on this one, was the first thing I specced.
Parking convenience? Is that not what the parking sensors are for?
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I don't really see the need for a rear camera as IMO it's just a gimmick. What do you really need it for?
Oh I dunno', parking convenience maybe?! Plenty of things are gimmicky, standard or otherwise. My mate thought parking sensors were a gimmick until he got a car with them. He also throught cruise was a bit of a gimmick until he realised he easy it made motorway driving and otherwise sticking to speed limits in average speed checks.
Nice to know they are looking after their existing customer orders on this one, was the first thing I specced.
This, those average speed checks are a nightmare without cruise. There was a 20 mile stretch near south of Durham on the A1 that I had to sit on twice a week last year, it drove me mad (no pun intended).
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Parking convenience? Is that not what the parking sensors are for?
Parking sensors will show you roughly, with a camera you can reverse to within a couple of mm quite safely.
Night and day.
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I agree - had a rear view camera on all 3 of my Mk6 GTD's and is spec'd on me Mk7 GTD due for wk 34 build!
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I've spec'd it on mine and it's not being removed. it's a pain in the arse to retro fit and a lot more expensive than what your charged from factory so in my opinion it's a good buy. for those who think it's a waste, it's different to a car with parking sensors. sensors are good and work best with park assist but a camera just gives you a bit more view and room to manoeuvre.
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I had the rear cam option on my mk 6 golf r and to be honest I found it a bit off putting ,park sensors and side mirrors is all you need to park prettily , defo a gimmick in my opinion , a reasonable price tho
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Parking convenience? Is that not what the parking sensors are for?
OK Mr Pedantic, "added parking convenience"...
Having driven a car with a reverse camera, I found it extremely useful to be ble to see behind not only for anything in the way that sensors might miss, but also for lining up the car and not having to look over my shoulder as much.
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Parking convenience? Is that not what the parking sensors are for?
OK Mr Pedantic, "added parking convenience"...
Having driven a car with a reverse camera, I found it extremely useful to be ble to see behind not only for anything in the way that sensors might miss, but also for lining up the car and not having to look over my shoulder as much.
It's still just a gimmick to impress your mates with :wink:
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it's far from a gimmick. extremely good parking aid that helps people like myself with back and neck issues. probably less gimmicky than keyless entry!
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Must admit I thought keyless was a massive waste of dosh , but have it on my present ride a megane rs 250 & it's become a godsend when hands full with child & shopping etc no more scrabbling about wondering which bl**dy pocket I stuck keys in !
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Keyless is not so good if you do water sports like myself. I surf regularly and Keyless entry would be a nightmare when on the odd occasion you have to leave the keys in or near the car, (not all the time). I do have a waterproof diving bag for my Key but I take a 3rd spare key which I have cut in to the water in case I lose it. So in my scenario Keyless is not so great if left with the car.
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Brenbo, I wonder if you can get a pouch lined with a metal mesh that would block the key's signal?
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Not a bad idea. Maybe a pouch like the ones you can get that block a phones signal. I have seen Back Packs and Laptop bags with pockets that block Phone signals, but am unsure if will work with Keyless entry fob? If anyone has a Keyless Entry fob and is willing to try locking a set of the keys in the car let me know your results. Is the signal blockable from the fob when stored in the car boot for example.
Since everything went electronic on Key Fobs it has become increasingly harder to lock the car and store the key's in a safe place when doing watersports. I am interested in finding out if it is possible to block the signal of keyless entry key's for future reference.
I think it was Audi who used to intentionally produce a windsurfing key which was the blade without the fob. But have not heard of anything like this in age's
Thanks for your input Bill.
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It's still just a gimmick to impress your mates with :wink:
I disagree. Granted it's not something you need, but then that whole "need vs want" argument applies to the entire car. It is, however, something that works and is useful pretty much every time I'll use the car.
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No pouch needed -
Extract from the owners manual:
Response when locking the vehicle with a
second vehicle key
If a vehicle key is located inside the vehicle, the
vehicle will only lock from the outside if a second
valid vehicle key is located outside the vehicle,
within the operating range of the Keyless Access
system.
some pages of the manual are here: https://rapidshare.com/#!download|735p1|3850192579|Golf%20Mark%20VII%20Owners%20Manual.pdf|51167|0|0|1|referer-C9FC501AA060FA0821FF5D6B6C1BC621 (https://rapidshare.com/#!download|735p1|3850192579|Golf%20Mark%20VII%20Owners%20Manual.pdf|51167|0|0|1|referer-C9FC501AA060FA0821FF5D6B6C1BC621)
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No pouch needed -
Extract from the owners manual:
Response when locking the vehicle with a
second vehicle key
If a vehicle key is located inside the vehicle, the
vehicle will only lock from the outside if a second
valid vehicle key is located outside the vehicle,
within the operating range of the Keyless Access
system.
some pages of the manual are here: https://rapidshare.com/#!download|735p1|3850192579|Golf%20Mark%20VII%20Owners%20Manual.pdf|51167|0|0|1|referer-C9FC501AA060FA0821FF5D6B6C1BC621 (https://rapidshare.com/#!download|735p1|3850192579|Golf%20Mark%20VII%20Owners%20Manual.pdf|51167|0|0|1|referer-C9FC501AA060FA0821FF5D6B6C1BC621)
But I thought his point was that he didn't want to take the key into the water. So he needs to lock the car, then leave the key hidden near the vehicle. I could be wrong though...
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I don't really understand the issue, is it not just as risky with a normal key?
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I don't really understand the issue, is it not just as risky with a normal key?
I thought I had understood it but I might be wrong.
Normal key has no electronics so can be taken into the water where it is on your person at all times. Presumably it goes in a water proof pouch, but this isn't 100% guarantee, keeps rust off though.
Because it is not 100% guarantee its too risky to take a keyless key into the water... But you also can't hide it near the vehicle or in the vehicle or anyone can gain access and pinch your stuff. If you can block the keyless signal with a metal lined pouch then you could conceal the key near the car safely (unless someone finds it!).
... Did I get that right?
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This thread has taken a bizarre twist :grin: :grin:
If only the Golf could turn into a submarine like the Lotus in James Bond - problem solved!
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A normal key has electronics which interact with the immobiliser when you put the key in the ignition (presumably the main reason they cost £80 a pop when you lose them) - I wouldn't want to get a normal key wet either.
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A normal key has electronics which interact with the immobiliser when you put the key in the ignition (presumably the main reason they cost £80 a pop when you lose them) - I wouldn't want to get a normal key wet either.
In that case Brenbo's backup key isn't going to work either!
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I bet the rear view camera is just a gimmick to the the folk that never specced it. :grin:
Best extra £ for £
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I bet the rear view camera is just a gimmick to the the folk that never specced it. :grin:
Best extra £ for £
I don't need a camera to help me reverse park. Not had one before, don't need one now :wink: :wink:
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A normal key has electronics which interact with the immobiliser when you put the key in the ignition (presumably the main reason they cost £80 a pop when you lose them) - I wouldn't want to get a normal key wet either.
In that case Brenbo's backup key isn't going to work either!
You used to be able to get a physical key that was just a key to unlock the doors (you would now have to pop the cover off the handle) and then use the proper key once you were in to disable the alarm and drive it (so you could lock a proper key in the glovebox).
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I don't need a camera to help me reverse park. Not had one before, don't need one now :wink: :wink:
I don't need one either, in the same way I don't need parking sensors, or a heated front screen to help clear windows, or built-in sat nav to help get me where I'm going... As already said, for the small amount of money it costs in relative terms, one of the best options.
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It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day :smiley: For those who suffer with back problems I can see its benefits and your right, it's not an expensive option. From my own point of view its not going to be of any benefit to me so it's £160 saved :smiley: :smiley:
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I do wonder whether the camera makes you focus purely on the car behind you more than the overall position of your car in a space e.g the car is 12mm off the car behind it, but is in it's space at a 15 degree angle.
Never been let down by the rear sensors on my Scirocco yet - they pick-up bollards etc with ease. I'd consider the camera and park assist (and any other driver aid) as gimmicks if they don't make the task they're assigned considerably easier, and parking a Golf is already a piece of cake with it's great rear visibility (much better than my Scirocco) and parking sensors all around. If you think you might want or need them, they're 2 of the cheapest options you can get, so relatively speaking it's not much to shell oout for. I'd be far more tempted for the camera if it activated for 5 mins recorded time when the car was nudged (to capture hit and run drivers in the car parks).
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I find the Golf hard enough to judge when reversing, or maybe I'm crap at parking :grin: I would often get out of the car thinking I'm very close to the car / obstacle behind me, but in reality, I'd have acres of room to spare. So I think the camera will definitely help in those situations.
It'll also be useful for avoiding things out of line of sight (bollards - or worse, small children running around behind you).
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All I can say is, how can having something that shows you a complete view of the entire area behind your car be a bad thing?! It's not about parking skill (or lack thereof) it's just a safety and convenience thing. I've been driving for 22 years now, and never hit a bollard or car behind me yet. I still see the value in it, but £160 is £160, and for some will be better spent elsewhere, or not at all ;)
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All I can say is, how can having something that shows you a complete view of the entire area behind your car be a bad thing?! It's not about parking skill (or lack thereof) it's just a safety and convenience thing. I've been driving for 22 years now, and never hit a bollard or car behind me yet. I still see the value in it, but £160 is £160, and for some will be better spent elsewhere, or not at all ;)
I thought that the field of view would be quite narrow as you approach a solid obstacle like a car or wall behind you - is that not the case?
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All I can say is, how can having something that shows you a complete view of the entire area behind your car be a bad thing?! It's not about parking skill (or lack thereof) it's just a safety and convenience thing. I've been driving for 22 years now, and never hit a bollard or car behind me yet. I still see the value in it, but £160 is £160, and for some will be better spent elsewhere, or not at all ;)
I thought that the field of view would be quite narrow as you approach a solid obstacle like a car or wall behind you - is that not the case?
It's a fairly wide viewing angle actually, pretty neat. And it looks very clear and sharp, even on the standard Discover media. I'll take a couple of pics of the screen on mine tonight.
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I thought that the field of view would be quite narrow as you approach a solid obstacle like a car or wall behind you - is that not the case?
It's pretty wide actually, wide enough to see far more than you can just by looking over your shoulder. Like most things, it's not the panacea, but for me, better than not having it at all.
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Not a great pick but this is what you see on the RCD screen in my mk6, it looks a bit blurry but i think thats just cos the camera was so close.
(http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx265/blaarp1/IMG_0504.jpg)
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in theory using park assist and the camera you should never hit, nudge, scrape or bump into anything.
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Yup, and there are plenty of videos on YouTube showing the view you get and how the guide lines show where your car will end up based on your current steering angle.
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From my own point of view its not going to be of any benefit to me so it's £160 saved :smiley: :smiley:
Technically is £160 not spent!
Would have been good if it was recording to the SSD on a rolling file that saves if you get bumped. They could have then done the same thing with the front cam used for lane assist. Front and rear vids is something I'd like. Got a dual camera setup from ebay for about £40 but its not great so not sure I'll transfer it to the GTI or not.
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Without taking this topic completely off of the original topic on Rear View Cameras, I will fill in you guy's in on how I get around the issue of storing my Key Fob when participating in Surfing ( I didn't write 'Water Sports' as some may see inuendo). Presently with my Honda I have 3 key Fobs. One is the original everyday key on my keyring which I use to drive. The other two are spares. One is a fully functional Spare and the other is a Blank Key Blade without the Fob remote being paired or activated. When I go Surfing I will leave the original Key in the Car and lock the door with the Non-Activiated Spare Key. I will then place this key in a 100% waterproof diving bag and key this tethered in the Key Pocket of my Wetsuit. To ensure the Key is completely protected in the Diving Bag I put the Key inside a Balloon, this protects the key should the Diving Bag ever leak, this part is just satisfy my paranoia.
Once I have finished Surfing I will get the Spare key out of the Diving Bag and unlock the Door with the Blade. With my current car this will then almost definitely set off the alarm, which I then have to deactivate with my Original Key stored in the car.
My dilemma with the GTI is I could continue to unlock the car the same way, but the Key hole is covered with a cap which will eventually result the paint work being damaged at some point.
I am planning on having a third key produced for my GTI which will a fully operational Remote Locking Fob. I have tested placing the Remote Locking key Fob for my Honda in the Diving Bag and submerging it in cold water for a long period of time. It does still work after and remains bone dry. I plan on leaving the original key on my keyring which I use for driving as usual in the car and taking the spare in the water (within the Diving Bag). Should anything happen to the Key I will have another spare at home which can be obtained to access the car, rather than breaking in and damaging it.
I can guarantee Diving Bags work, I have used it for years and I even know surfers who take their MP3 Players and iPhones in with them. Sounds ridiculous but true :laugh:
Anyway back on to topic now. I am happy to have configured my Car with the Rear View Camera. It may be viewed as a bit of a gimmick by some, but why not make the most of your car if you can afford it.
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I bet the rear view camera is just a gimmick to the the folk that never specced it. :grin:
Best extra £ for £
I don't need a camera to help me reverse park. Not had one before, don't need one now :wink: :wink:
Yeah your right but its called evolving. When I started driving in the 80's I never thought I'd need an automatic choke. Nothing wrong with pulling the choke out for a few miles :grin:
Or fancy electric windows. They were just for posers.
Power steering!?!? That's how you worked your biceps!!!
Climate control?? Just open and shut the window every few miles.
A 6 player CD system. Wow nobody would ever need that amount of music, ever. Total over kill.
Quadrophonic sound system. Your just showing off.
Cruise control. Only in your dreams.
The list is endless.
I could say the Sat Nav is a waste of time as I have only ever got lost once in my life and only ever use it properly every couple of weeks for going to football matches but it didn't stop me shelling out £1680.
Yet when I had the camera in my Golf I would use it every journey. Every single person new into the car would comment on it.
£165 was a steal.
But each to their own :laugh:
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Well said p3asa, although I'm sure if it was standard kit, it would be considered much less of a gimmick!
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Just got this email from my dealer less than half an hour ago...
Hi,
A bulletin has just appeared from Volkswagen saying that the rear camera option has been removed from our factory ordering system temporarily. This is the message we got –
The rear-view camera for both Golf Hatchback and the new Golf Estate (KA1) will be removed from ordering from Monday 1 July until further notice.
This is because of limited capacity and stronger than expected demand on this option, which could cause delays in production.
KA1 will be removed from Stock, Showroom and Demonstrator orders that have not yet scheduled to free up supply for tagged orders.
We hope to reintroduce this soon.
It is an inexpensive option now that the touchscreen radio is standard on Golfs, as opposed to the MK6 Golf where a radio upgrade was required first, which is why it has been popular.
They are still going to include it with orders already in the system, but any new customers won’t be able to order it as an option.
I would suggest that this is probably what’s holding up your order but then again we have GTI/GTDs on order with no camera option and they are still not being built yet. I don’t know whether to suggest removing it from your order or just leaving things as they are. Let me know if you have any thoughts.
Regards
*Mr Dealer*
I have rear view camera specced on my order. I ordered on 29th March and have an unconfirmed BW 34. I hope this isn't going to put it back any further, as I'm already not at all pleased having to wait so long for such an early order!!
Any other guys out there ordered rear view camera? :huh:
I suppose this bulletin was only sent to VW uk, I spoke to my dealer (south Africa) yesterday regarding the rear view camera delays and he said he is not aware of the issue and my car will still be built (provisionally scheduled for build week 43) with the same spec I requested, including the rear view camera.
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I suppose this bulletin was only sent to VW uk, I spoke to my dealer (south Africa) yesterday regarding the rear view camera delays and he said he is not aware of the issue and my car will still be built (provisionally scheduled for build week 43) with the same spec I requested, including the rear view camera.
Do SA golfs also come from Wolfsburg? Bit odd.
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I suppose this bulletin was only sent to VW uk, I spoke to my dealer (south Africa) yesterday regarding the rear view camera delays and he said he is not aware of the issue and my car will still be built (provisionally scheduled for build week 43) with the same spec I requested, including the rear view camera.
The same is true for Sweden, no information about rear view camera delays, and no problem ordering.
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Just had some replies to my twitter conversation with VW who are saying i need to contact my dealer for everything now but theyve noticed I have the rear view camera on order so that could be causing delays. Total and utter bullsh!t as others are collecting cars with cameras in who ordered after me. VW are a f4cking disgrace!!!
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Just had some replies to my twitter conversation with VW who are saying i need to contact my dealer for everything now but theyve noticed I have the rear view camera on order so that could be causing delays. Total and utter bullsh!t as others are collecting cars with cameras in who ordered after me. VW are a f4cking disgrace!!!
Have you had a new delay? :sad:
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it's been one big f4cking delay since April bear. piss poor customer service from vwuk and now we have a build fortnight. when I was told you'll get your car when we say so I didn't think it would get any worse!
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I suppose this bulletin was only sent to VW uk, I spoke to my dealer (south Africa) yesterday regarding the rear view camera delays and he said he is not aware of the issue and my car will still be built (provisionally scheduled for build week 43) with the same spec I requested, including the rear view camera.
Do SA golfs also come from Wolfsburg? Bit odd.
Yes . . . VWSA only manufactures VW Polos.