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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Mr Savage on 25 June 2013, 14:15
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I was just wondering about the High Beam Assist and Park Assist. I wonder if they add hardware to give these the added functions?
I know the auto-lock feature could simply be turned on through VAG com on the Mk5's, along with the cornering fog lights. They were generally just disabled at factory even though the technology was there.
It would be pretty great if we could enable High Beam Assist for free through VAG com :D Park Assist also possibly but I'm guessing this will be less likely. Both use the sensors already on the car i'd imagine? I'd think the high beam assist simply detects other cars headlights through the dusk sensor, but I could be wrong, if that's the case then surely it just needs enabling through VAG com?
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I was just wondering about the High Beam Assist and Park Assist. I wonder if they add hardware to give these the added functions?
I know the auto-lock feature could simply be turned on through VAG com on the Mk5's, along with the cornering fog lights. They were generally just disabled at factory even though the technology was there.
It would be pretty great if we could enable High Beam Assist for free through VAG com :D Park Assist also possibly but I'm guessing this will be less likely. Both use the sensors already on the car i'd imagine? I'd think the high beam assist simply detects other cars headlights through the dusk sensor, but I could be wrong, if that's the case then surely it just needs enabling through VAG com?
Quite possibly. XDS on my Scirocco was purely a VCDS activation - hardware already there by way of the ABS system and it's sub-systems.
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For park assist there is a video here:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/park-assist
Describes the following:
Ultrasonic sensors (is this the normal parking sensors?)
An intelligent steering assistant (already existing hardware or separate?)
System steers (seems more like this isn't pre existing...)
To be honest having reviewed this video the most useful park of this would seem to be the detection of the size of the space. After that it is doing the manoeuvring, but if you are halfway competent you shouldn't have an issue. Then again, only takes one error to damage those alloys!
For high beam:
How does the car detect headlights? Isn't there supposed to be a camera in the upper front of the windscreen? Not sure if we get that on the GTI and if not then it needs new hardware to use this right?
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For park assist there is a video here:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/parking-and-manoeuvring/park-assist
Describes the following:
Ultrasonic sensors (is this the normal parking sensors?)
An intelligent steering assistant (already existing hardware or separate?)
System steers (seems more like this isn't pre existing...)
To be honest having reviewed this video the most useful park of this would seem to be the detection of the size of the space. After that it is doing the manoeuvring, but if you are halfway competent you shouldn't have an issue. Then again, only takes one error to damage those alloys!
For high beam:
How does the car detect headlights? Isn't there supposed to be a camera in the upper front of the windscreen? Not sure if we get that on the GTI and if not then it needs new hardware to use this right?
There are additional sensors for park assist - 1 on each side of the bumper close to it's edge with the wing. These detect the space as you slowly drive past it, to determine it's size. If not for the omission of the additional 2 sensors, adding park assist would probably be a software update only (how much extra hardware could they pack in while only charging us an additional £135 for it?).
Unsure about high beam. I would wonder whether the dusk sensor is sensitive enough to pick up headlights coming your way to knock yours down to dipped beam or whether extra sensory equipment is required. Hoping that with Xenons I won't need high beam very often. The high price £500ish would suggest to me that some extra hardware is there somewhere rather than just software activation (although VW could just be ripping us off).
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There are additional sensors for park assist - 1 on each side of the bumper close to it's edge with the wing. These detect the space as you slowly drive past it, to determine it's size. If not for the omission of the additional 2 sensors, adding park assist would probably be a software update only (how much extra hardware could they pack in while only charging us an additional £135 for it?).
Are these seperate to the ones shown in this image, or are the sensros just forward of the arch only fitted with the park assist options? Anyone know?
(http://cdn2.recombu.com/cars/media/reviews/cars/vw-golf-gti-performance-pack/vw-golf-gti-pp-5.jpg?3.27)
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It appears the extra sensor is missing in this pic therefore I'd say they are part of the park assist
(http://fastestlaps.com/photos/vw_golf_gti_mkvii.jpg)
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Bung the little [img] tags on your image and it will appear in the post.
Got point though... and damn. I was hoping those side sensors were standard.
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The side ones are the park assist specific ones - just 4 on the front bumper without park assist, 6 with park assist.
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The retail price for the actual high beam assist headlamp units are £160 dearer than the adaptive only units so I would assume there is some extra hardware in the light itself.
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High beam assist uses a camera built into the rear view mirror which is not there unless it's specced from the factory so some hardware would be required.
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Park Assist is entirely different to normal parking sensors and will not be just a vag.com tweak. Park assist uses a different abs pump to normal, has a different control unit than normal parking sensors and will be virtually impossible to retro fit. A mate on the mytiguan forum tried it and it didnt work. Unfortunately if you havent specced it from factory you wont be able to have it. If im proved wrong then great for you guys that try.
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Park Assist is entirely different to normal parking sensors and will not be just a vag.com tweak. Park assist uses a different abs pump to normal, has a different control unit than normal parking sensors and will be virtually impossible to retro fit. A mate on the mytiguan forum tried it and it didnt work. Unfortunately if you havent specced it from factory you wont be able to have it. If im proved wrong then great for you guys that try.
I reckon even if you did retro fit it would cost considerably more than the £145 VW want for it? Just like the reverse cam on the mk6 was.
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That's a shame. I'm guessing the park assist has 2 more sensors and maybe a different steering controller module to move your wheel then?
High Beam Assist seems more likely to be a simple upgrade through VAG then. Unless a different sensor is used for the headlight detection. I'd imagine the rest of the hardware needed is on the car already.
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That's a shame. I'm guessing the park assist has 2 more sensors and maybe a different steering controller module to move your wheel then?
High Beam Assist seems more likely to be a simple upgrade through VAG then. Unless a different sensor is used for the headlight detection. I'd imagine the rest of the hardware needed is on the car already.
Have you read the other posts in this thread? ???
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As Jimble has said high beam assist uses a black and white camera mounted behind rear view mirror so would be difficult to retro fit as screen is also slightly different where camera is positioned
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That's a shame. I'm guessing the park assist has 2 more sensors and maybe a different steering controller module to move your wheel then?
High Beam Assist seems more likely to be a simple upgrade through VAG then. Unless a different sensor is used for the headlight detection. I'd imagine the rest of the hardware needed is on the car already.
Have you read the other posts in this thread? ???
Yes, no need to be like that. But it sounded like everyone was just guessing whether or not it's an extra camera behind the rear view mirror and there was a possibility that its standard. Something we wouldn't know until we see a demo with and one without.
If its a different screen than I guess it would be ridiculously expensive to spec after then. That puts it completely off the cards.
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As I said in a previous post the light units are different part numbers, the high beam assist one being £160 more
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As I said in a previous post the light units are different part numbers, the high beam assist one being £160 more
Missed your post mike, sorry. That's interesting then. You'd be looking at a good £500 to retro fit it seems then? Didn't realise so much tech went into turning the high beam on and off automatically!
So to sum up, you need a new sensor, a different type of xenon and possibly a different windscreen? Ouch.
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Presumably it's complex because they want to avoid the sort of problem of the infamous automatic lights that flash other drivers every time the car went under a bridge etc...