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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Hobojim on 22 June 2013, 13:13
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I have chosen the basic sat nav, but I am now considering revising this choice. What are peoples thoughts? Are VW units any good in your own experience? How much do you actually use it? How will it affect residuals?
For the same money I could have Dynaudio and the reverse camera, which I would probably use more. 2 options I am now considering after good reviews from folks on here.
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I chose the Nav pro over the standard for the screen size, addition of 3D maps, voice control, DVD play and the 64GB SSD.
My mate has a MK7 GT with the standard nav, and to be honest, its very good and does the job very well.
I suppose it depends what your requirements are - on the nav front, I don't think there is much difference. If sound is important to you, get the Dynaudio, if screen size and extra functionality is important - Nav pro.
As for residuals - I don't think it will make a big difference, what I would say is that it may make more appealable to a potential buyer over one with the standard or standard nav options.
Rik
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Thanks for the reply RikWebb. I was considering eliminating the Sat nav entirely. It is something I use occasionally, but i do have my iphone that i can plug into and get the audio prompts and the little screen down there if i need it.
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I hate wires trailing around, I dislike small screens and I want a nice integrated centre unit that looks and feels premium. Before I picked this car I knew I wanted the top sat Nav. If I took all my options off this would be the last to go.
On the other hand using a smart phone makes a lot of sense. Good functionality and you can upgrade it with new apps and features. Cheaper too. Just not for me.
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Factory fitted look for me every time. sick of trailing wires, marks on the windscreen etc etc. if the VW unit is kept up to date then it's no worse than a standalone sat nav. maps are provided by navteq which are one of if not the best maps
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I had sat-nav in my Mark 5, but I don't have it in my Mark 6. Having it as a factory option is *so* convenient. You don't have to remember to dig out your Garmin/Tomtom when you need it and you don't have to worry about it being nicked (unless the thieves manage to pry the whole unit out of the dashboard). If you don't have your portable unit on you but you need to go somewhere for the first time during your lunch break, you don't have to postpone in case you get lost.
And, like Bill and mcmaddy say, the lack of wires is a big plus.
Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
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On the plus side VW are giving three years free updates on there sat nav's :smiley:
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Have a decent Sat Nav but the OCD in me hates it, even if hide the wires I know they are there ;)
So this was never going to not be an option for me the integration alone to offset the OCD is worth every penny no matter how much VW make a killing on it.
Do I like the Sat Nav Pro 8" inch screen? Of course! Would I pay £1000 more for it for what it gives me personally? Then that would be a complete no - All my music is already on an 8GB SD with Covers and the UK DAB Logo and the SAT NAV will be more than enough for my varied use. I would never play a DVD and have no need for additional storage.
I used my £800 on the DCC
As we all say here every choice is subjective and much of the choices are down to how you mentally feel when behind that wheel - If dithering and I mean really dithering I would suggest going for it as no doubt you will be behind that wheel wishing you had!
One reason I am a little anal about going through my choices over and over as the end of process is I am 100% comfortable with what chosen - Let's not forget with how easy it is to select this and that off lists it is a lot of money we spending at end of day be it outright or monthly so you have to get it right.
Away from the SAT NAV but staying with choices parked next to an in the flesh 8V Sportback in white, the car I was set on and as lovely as it is what struck me was how much of an estate it really looked like and it just added to how good a decision it was to move to the GTD. Did see a few in showroom all in Daytona and funny how never really got that feeling but in white in the open it was quite obvious.
Choices choices choices! we all going to be mad at end of this all but all I suspect very happy with final result :)
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.......... How will it affect residuals?
The thing with extras is, you won't get your money back. They will make your car more desirable if selling privately but as far as book price goes, your car packed full of extras would command the same price as the exact same car with no extras at all.
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.......... How will it affect residuals?
The thing with extras is, you won't get your money back. They will make your car more desirable if selling privately but as far as book price goes, your car packed full of extras would command the same price as the exact same car with no extras at all.
You select an option to improve an experience usually and with that improved experience you feel good every time you get behind the wheel - The cost you place against that feeling is what you are battling.
So you might not get that money back on options but it is ££ well spent if it truly makes your experience a daily pleasure while owning it :)
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if the VW unit is kept up to date then it's no worse than a standalone sat nav. maps are provided by navteq which are one of if not the best maps
Android and iPhone are supported a billion times better than any system VW or tomtom or whatever because any amateur can add virtually any function they want with just a few hours of programming. There are hundreds of apps you can download to do anything from adding speed camera locations to recording your journey to simply changing the colour or theme or appearance to integrating with your PC or anything really.
But I want the integrated system. Best solution will be when cars use android based operating systems so you can download apps like a phone. Years before that happens I suppose though.
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Hobojim here's a nice run through of the basic NAV. I think it looks good.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GyBUcCno_i8
I'm seriously considering adding it to my spec if it doesn't push my BW back.
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I run TomTom on my smartphone. Paired with a brodit clip and holder it's a pretty decent combo. Always have my phone with me so it's always there to be used. In spite of this I did seriously get an urge to add Pro Nav. The larger screen and res is really desirable but I have no interest in any of the other features.
Luckily my urge subsided. I swear it must be part of the VW plan. The long wait is too much time for procrastination and self doubting - I find myself wanting to add / modify my order everyday (thanks mostly to this site I guess :grin:)
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Thanks for the vid. I'd only seen the Pro in the flesh and not the one I've ordered and I'm more than happy with that - does the job albeit not as pretty as the Pro but that doesnt concerrn me. Good to see it in action!
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.......... How will it affect residuals?
The thing with extras is, you won't get your money back. They will make your car more desirable if selling privately but as far as book price goes, your car packed full of extras would command the same price as the exact same car with no extras at all.
You select an option to improve an experience usually and with that improved experience you feel good every time you get behind the wheel - The cost you place against that feeling is what you are battling.
So you might not get that money back on options but it is ££ well spent if it truly makes your experience a daily pleasure while owning it :)
Yeah I couldn't agree more. I was only answering the OP about about his residuals question :rolleyes:
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Hobojim I deliberated over this just like you are now. In the end I decided that Google Maps on my Samsung Galaxy S3 was far better than the basic nav and will only get better with time. Get a little clip or cradle that sticks to the windscreen and you're sorted.
I must emphasise that if the basic nav had a google maps interface and was able to update itself I would have ticked this option box.
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I wonder how soon these nav units will be available to buy for reasonable money in the aftermarket - plenty of ebay suppliers for new RNS510 around £300 (light fingered VAG/Blaupunkt employees?).
Chances are that the new system will be standard equipment for a good number of years, seeing as the MK5 and 6 Golf, as well as all the other VAG models over the last 8 or 9 years have been fitted with the RNS510.
Wouldn't be surprised to see a standalone Discover Pro for self fitting on the net for £500-600 in the not too distant future - at that price I might be tempted, plus you can whip it out and reinstall in your next VAG or sell it on - much more residual proof.
I found a new standard discover nav system for MK7 Golf on ebay the other day but I can't find it now (it was from an international seller and the naming of it would make it hard to find, I stumbled on it by accident) - it was £370.
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Are they becoming more complex to install now what with the SSD, media system in the glovebox, MFD and steering wheel integration, and all the integration with the car's set up? Or despite that is it basically a box that you can plug into a socket without having to set up all the individual components manually?
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Are they becoming more complex to install now what with the SSD, media system in the glovebox, MFD and steering wheel integration, and all the integration with the car's set up? Or despite that is it basically a box that you can plug into a socket without having to set up all the individual components manually?
RNS was a 1 box doddle on my dad's MK5 Golf. I would hope for ease and speed of installation on the production line that these would be no more complex than they need to be. Maybe a single interface that connects with the glovebox player MFD and steering wheel, a grounding wire and a connection to the antenna for radio reception.
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Totally different set up on the new systems. They are all linked in with the glovebox now so its not as easy as just replacing the headunit like it was on the rns510's. A lot more complex unfortunately.
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Totally different set up on the new systems. They are all linked in with the glovebox now so its not as easy as just replacing the headunit like it was on the rns510's. A lot more complex unfortunately.
It may seem complex now because its different but once a few have been done I would imagine it being fairly straightforward. Someone like Eddie will soon be able to install these systems I would imagine.
The RNS510 was £2,000 from VW and then £500 through e-bay. So yes, chances are they will get cheaper (I'd imagine they'll add more revisions and newer models as time goes on too & they need to make them easily replaceable. Otherwise what would VW mechanics do when something goes wrong with the unit?
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What do you get if you don't spec Nav? Is it just a head face plate like the Nav or is it a fully functioning head unit?
If its just the face plate with all the gubbins in the glove box still, then chances are it would be easy just to add the Nav at a later date.
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You'll get a touchscreen interface for the CDplayer in the glovebox, your connected storage options for music and your radio. It'll flick over to the graphical display for your parking sensors when doing a parking maneuvre. In short it does everything the nav unit does, except the map/nav bit.
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It'll be a good 18 months two years before cheap affordable nav or pro nav will be available from the like of fleabag or even Ed. It's still nigh on impossible to get cheap dab RNS 510's and they've been available for nearly a year now.
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Hopefully there will be less on the market due to it being a little more difficult to steal, so unless they're refurbs or pinched from the factory they should be few and far between?
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Hopefully there will be less on the market due to it being a little more difficult to steal, so unless they're refurbs or pinched from the factory they should be few and far between?
Rarer they are, more expensive they will be.
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The thing is with the Nav Pro yes you get a 64GB SSD drive but you can buy 64GB SD cards quite easily today and that will hold the same amount of music (obviously). SSD is very fast at loading data but an SD card loads music more than quick enough not to notice any difference. So that side, in my opinion is pointless.
You can watch DVD's with the Nav Pro, I can on my RNS 510 also, how many DVD's have I watched on it? 0. So again, a feature that I wouldn't use.
Bigger screen and better resolution. Fantastic but again I can only see this being a benefit with the maps and rear view camera. Why do you need a bigger, higher-resolution screen for switching radio channels or going through the settings.
Now if it had personal wifi hotspot it would be a totally different story for me. But I think you gain very little for an extra £1,000 which let's face it, is a lot of money.
Yes it will be a while until these are available and cheap on e-bay but they will be available eventually and if you really miss having a bigger screen then you could probably upgrade quite easily and cheaply at a later date.
Of course it's down to personal preference really, I just think people are over-looking the most expensive option a little.
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So have you gone for basic sat nav Mr Savage or none at all ?
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So have you gone for basic sat nav Mr Savage or none at all ?
Basic Nav as I felt it offered the best for the money.
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Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
It does, but not £1000 or whatever it costs nicer! I bought a 46" TV with full media capabilities for less than that!
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Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
It does, but not £1000 or whatever it costs nicer! I bought a 46" TV with full media capabilities for less than that!
If the automotive industry is the Rolls Royce of cars, then the TV industry is the Ford Ka. I'm just saying, I used to design those things and the only reason they are so cheap is that they mass produce to the extreme and cost cut like you can't imagine.
Oh yes, my point was they can't do that with low volume units like for cars. That doesn't necessarily mean the quality is better though! :tongue:
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If the automotive industry is the Rolls Royce of cars, then the TV industry is the Ford Ka. I'm just saying, I used to design those things and the only reason they are so cheap is that they mass produce to the extreme and cost cut like you can't imagine.
Oh yes, my point was they can't do that with low volume units like for cars. That doesn't necessarily mean the quality is better though! :tongue:
Oh for sure the volumes have a huge impact on price...but as you say, not necessarily quality!
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Oh for sure the volumes have a huge impact on price...but as you say, not necessarily quality!
That TV should have cost you 10x what a GTI would. That's probably an understatement... 100x maybe. Each one contains somewhere in the region of 12 million transistors, more than most high end microprocessors do, and each one has to function adequately. These things have features of the order of ~10nm and are made up of hundreds of patterned layers stacked each on the other. To set up the production line will have cost somewhere in the region of $1billion, and probably a similar amount in R&D effort before hand.
They often sell these things at a loss just to get the line running. An initial run of an LED screen Sony made was sold with a $1000 loss on each unit. They had to make them to learn how to make them and to get publicity anyway, but no way they could be sold for a profit.
I want to ask what make, but given this is a car forum I feel I'm getting off topic. I personally stay away from Samsung, but that said Samsung actually make a lot of the screens for Sony (who then double the price because they have better software to reproduce colours). Panasonic are a small player but are my current favourite. Quality is about 5x the Samsung level, but you'll pay about 50% more for it.
Ok, will try to stay on topic now. I wonder who makes the Discover Nav Pro screens for VW? That would be interesting to know.
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Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
It does, but not £1000 or whatever it costs nicer! I bought a 46" TV with full media capabilities for less than that!
If the automotive industry is the Rolls Royce of cars, then the TV industry is the Ford Ka. I'm just saying, I used to design those things and the only reason they are so cheap is that they mass produce to the extreme and cost cut like you can't imagine.
Oh yes, my point was they can't do that with low volume units like for cars. That doesn't necessarily mean the quality is better though! :tongue:
I think we can safely say that VW are producing these at less than £300 cost a unit to themselves. Not that I blame them for charging the big money as they do always produce quality. The Pro Nav brings no extra functionality it's all cosmetic (apart from the 64GB SSD which just speeds things along ever so slightly). Hence I struggle to understand and justify the £1,000 jump for no extra features or functions and simply to have a better screen.
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Ok, will try to stay on topic now. I wonder who makes the Discover Nav Pro screens for VW? That would be interesting to know.
The discover units are made by Pioneer, but they've never delved into LED/LCD TVs for screen tech, although they do seem to be collaborating with Sharp for their Bluray players now, so i'd guess at Sharp for the screen.
TV prices are crazy for the tech in them. I bought a 40" Sony LCD (1080i/720P, true 1080P screens weren't really out back then) in 2006 for the world cup. It was reduced from £2500 to £1900 and I thought I was getting the bargain of the century at the time. Build quality is superb compared to current models - cast aluminium chassis etc, weighs a ton. Our W series Sony 46" is very flimsy in comparison.
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Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
It does, but not £1000 or whatever it costs nicer! I bought a 46" TV with full media capabilities for less than that!
If the automotive industry is the Rolls Royce of cars, then the TV industry is the Ford Ka. I'm just saying, I used to design those things and the only reason they are so cheap is that they mass produce to the extreme and cost cut like you can't imagine.
Oh yes, my point was they can't do that with low volume units like for cars. That doesn't necessarily mean the quality is better though! :tongue:
I think we can safely say that VW are producing these at less than £300 cost a unit to themselves. Not that I blame them for charging the big money as they do always produce quality. The Pro Nav brings no extra functionality it's all cosmetic (apart from the 64GB SSD which just speeds things along ever so slightly). Hence I struggle to understand and justify the £1,000 jump for no extra features or functions and simply to have a better screen.
You get bigger 8" screen and 3d mapping for starters. Thread on here somewhere explains all the differences.
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Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
It does, but not £1000 or whatever it costs nicer! I bought a 46" TV with full media capabilities for less than that!
If the automotive industry is the Rolls Royce of cars, then the TV industry is the Ford Ka. I'm just saying, I used to design those things and the only reason they are so cheap is that they mass produce to the extreme and cost cut like you can't imagine.
Oh yes, my point was they can't do that with low volume units like for cars. That doesn't necessarily mean the quality is better though! :P
I think we can safely say that VW are producing these at less than £300 cost a unit to themselves. Not that I blame them for charging the big money as they do always produce quality. The Pro Nav brings no extra functionality it's all cosmetic (apart from the 64GB SSD which just speeds things along ever so slightly). Hence I struggle to understand and justify the £1,000 jump for no extra features or functions and simply to have a better screen.
You get bigger 8" screen and 3d mapping for starters. Thread on here somewhere explains all the differences.
Can't watch DVD's on the discover, can't have photo's (although not sure why you would?) on the discover.
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Whilst the standard "Discover" looks nice, the screen on the "Pro" variant looks so much nicer.
It does, but not £1000 or whatever it costs nicer! I bought a 46" TV with full media capabilities for less than that!
If the automotive industry is the Rolls Royce of cars, then the TV industry is the Ford Ka. I'm just saying, I used to design those things and the only reason they are so cheap is that they mass produce to the extreme and cost cut like you can't imagine.
Oh yes, my point was they can't do that with low volume units like for cars. That doesn't necessarily mean the quality is better though! :tongue:
I think we can safely say that VW are producing these at less than £300 cost a unit to themselves. Not that I blame them for charging the big money as they do always produce quality. The Pro Nav brings no extra functionality it's all cosmetic (apart from the 64GB SSD which just speeds things along ever so slightly). Hence I struggle to understand and justify the £1,000 jump for no extra features or functions and simply to have a better screen.
You get bigger 8" screen and 3d mapping for starters. Thread on here somewhere explains all the differences.
Yes I know you get a bigger screen and you get 3D mapping even though the video for the Nav shows that the standard Discover has 2.5D mapping which is more than good enough.
DVD's & Photos, not something that many people would use in my opinion.
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I'm sure that those going for the Pro nav are largely doing so because of the 8" screen, not the extra "features".
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Yes, I would think so too. Of course it's a no brainier which Nav unit is better. No one would choose the standard Nav over the Nav Pro given the choice. It's just the question of if its worth that extra grand. I would say no but of course some people will say yes.
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Yes, I would think so too. Of course it's a no brainier which Nav unit is better. No one would choose the standard Nav over the Nav Pro given the choice. It's just the question of if its worth that extra grand. I would say no but of course some people will say yes.
For me, no way is it worth a grand more, but that's because I know how relatively little I'll use the nav anyway, and I only listen to MP3s or radio in my car. If the Pro nav only had a 5.8" screen with all of the extra features, but only cost £1,000, I highly doubt people would bother to spend the extra on the features. It's all about the screen, and there's nothing wrong with that! :)
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Yes, I would think so too. Of course it's a no brainier which Nav unit is better. No one would choose the standard Nav over the Nav Pro given the choice. It's just the question of if its worth that extra grand. I would say no but of course some people will say yes.
For me, no way is it worth a grand more, but that's because I know how relatively little I'll use the nav anyway, and I only listen to MP3s or radio in my car. If the Pro nav only had a 5.8" screen with all of the extra features, but only cost £1,000, I highly doubt people would bother to spend the extra on the features. It's all about the screen, and there's nothing wrong with that! :)
Definitely, each to their own. I'd imagine the larger screen coming in handy with the reverse camera.
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Definitely, each to their own. I'd imagine the larger screen coming in handy with the reverse camera.
Not sure what the camera resolution is to be honest, but 5.8" is more than adequate *ahem*... ;)
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Yes, I would think so too. Of course it's a no brainier which Nav unit is better. No one would choose the standard Nav over the Nav Pro given the choice. It's just the question of if its worth that extra grand. I would say no but of course some people will say yes.
For me, no way is it worth a grand more, but that's because I know how relatively little I'll use the nav anyway, and I only listen to MP3s or radio in my car. If the Pro nav only had a 5.8" screen with all of the extra features, but only cost £1,000, I highly doubt people would bother to spend the extra on the features. It's all about the screen, and there's nothing wrong with that! :)
Spot on. It's one of the first options I added and mainly because I liked the 8" screen integrated into the dashboard. Plus I've never had sat nav built into any of my cars and I was adamant that I was going to get the full bells and whistles system this time. :smiley: