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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Hobojim on 19 June 2013, 20:27
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The other car I was considering was the new S3 sport back. I just did an online configuration and specified the Audi up to the level of GTI I have ordered (Sat nav - 5 yr warranty). It comes out at.... wait for it..... 36.5k !!!!
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
That's 11k more than the GTI I ordered!
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I've also been looking at the S3, as soon as you start adding all the options it becomes very expensive, VERY quickly. The Golf obviously comes with a lot more 'as standard'. Depends I guess if the standard features on the golf are of any use to you or not.
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The other car I was considering was the new S3 sport back. I just did an online configuration and specified the Audi up to the level of GTI I have ordered (Sat nav - 5 yr warranty). It comes out at.... wait for it..... 36.5k !!!!
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
That's 11k more than the GTI I ordered!
I was really interested in the S3 as well coming from a TT and it was very high up on my list of potential new cars. However, I was already thinking that it would be out of my budget before they released the price and hence why I took the plunge with the GTI.
I was actually surprised to see them list it at just over £30k as I thought it would have been £33k - £34k. To be fair with the base spec your getting leather seats and proper 4wd not to mention 300bhp, but (and it's a big but) everything else is an option :sad: Audi really are tight with standard equipment.
I also doubt you would get any sort of discount on the S3
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That is why I love the golf so much more,the standard seats are great you don't have to upgrade to leather to make it feel special. A lot of the golf stuff I will use like the folding mirrors and cruise control. Things like the auto dimming rear view are nice, but flicking the little tab underneath the mirror isn't hard. I can't believe the S3 doesn't come with cruise control!
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The very two cars i'm looking at!
A little difficult to compare the two, as the R will be more comparable to the S3.
I think everyone would agree that Auto Lights/Wipers should be standard on a car costing £32k, although it does at least get Heated Seats & Washer Jets as standard.
Having run a Mk4 25th Anniversary GTI for 111,000 miles I have a soft spot for the GTI, and a recent Test Drive confirmed i'd be more than happy to own another GTI!
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I did an S3 config yesterday - I wasn't surprised by the price (£33k) to be honest as it does 0-60 in 5.2 secs (manual), and it's actually great value for a car that quick. What I was surprised was the lack of standard equipment for a top of the range car. Personally I'd rather have the R when it comes out.
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If the R is priced right (needs to be under £30k as the S3 manual is £30,640) it'll be a good option, especially if the discount is 5 - 10% like the GTI.
I think the S3 is well priced when you look at the price of the Scirocco R and previous Mk6 Golf R, and even the Mk6 35th Anniversary GTI.
Is it worth £4,795 more than a GTI?
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I could have spec a base GTI or even really pushed to a base S3 but at significant cost to self but experience of not being overly happy, the pain even, at seeing the additional ££ eating my income through months after, has over time brought my head into balance with my heart! Fully loaded GTD at no personal cost won over some addtional badge kudos and additional performance (In day to day driving conditions the GTD will very much hold its own perfornance wise as that is my experience now)
If budget is of absolutely no issue to you then chase the dream to the max as would love top spec GTI R and S3 but for those like me who have to spread ££ around the additional you get in performance for the loss in income has for me at least not proven to be worth. Think this GTD strikes the perfect balance
Likely getting a MKV GTI now as second car though as being on this forum and more I see them, the more I want one! My favourite GTI styling.
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Is it worth £4,795 more than a GTI?
There's more than that in it in reality due to the woeful level of equipment on the S3. I could live with a base spec GTI for it's standard equipment, but I would have to add a fair few options on the S3 to live with it every day. Spec the 2 the same and in reality that extra performance is costing you £8k more.
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Got to admit I was shocked at the lack of base spec, bugs me that lumbar support is £200 as I've always found Audi seats shocking compared to the GTI, I was at £34k but in reality would go Golf R as for me the A3 is a bit bland
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I went to see the S3 a few weeks back in the flesh and its a great looking car. The interior quality is in a different league to the Golf GTI. Having said that I have ordered a GTI :smiley:
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I went to see the S3 a few weeks back in the flesh and its a great looking car. The interior quality is in a different league to the Golf GTI. Having said that I have ordered a GTI :smiley:
The interior does look particularly nice and I like the air vents on the Audi's, very cool. The only thing is I actually prefer where the MMI is located in the golf, i.e. the middle of the console, rather than the Audi where it raises up from the top of the dashboard
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S3 comes to £6k more than the GTI when speced to the same level as my order.
Its offering more power (which is desirable in this size vehicle why exactly?) but its not offering style or heritage like the GTI is. I doubt 99 out of 100 people would know what an S3 is or be able to recognise it. But you always know a car is a GTI, even when you don't know. Let me explain. Every now and then a Golf catches the corner of my eye, or is in the distance ahead on a motorway and I think "damn, the Golf looks good..." and when I get closer guess what, its a GTI. Its that subtle styling that sets it apart even from far away. Never happened with an S3 or an A3 for that matter.
To be honest if I had that extra £6k I would keep it and grab the GTI. Otherwise I would be looking at a salon, an A4 or 3-series.
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Thinking about it the Audis are even worse than normal on this. So many times I see something in the review view or coming towards me on the opposite lane and I think it is an A4 or an A3 or A5 or whatever... then it turns out to be an A1. From the front I don't think I could tell the difference between the A1,3,4,5 or 6. It just seems to generic, too boring.
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Being a Mk6 R owner I'm obviously waiting for the Mk7 to appear but I keep seeing 5 door A3's and quite like them. I think VW has the edge over Audi in terms of raw driving appeal these days, certainly with the Golf/A3 platform cars.
Price-wise not surprised they are more expensive - Audi is positioned above VW in the market place after all.
From the front I don't think I could tell the difference between the A1,3,4,5 or 6. It just seems to generic, too boring.
Some of my mates say the same about VW's.
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From the front I don't think I could tell the difference between the A1,3,4,5 or 6. It just seems to generic, too boring.
Some of my mates say the same about VW's.
Granted my assertion is subjective, yet I struggle to see how anyone can incorrectly identify a VW car from the front on a consistent basis. A Polo, Golf and Passat do not look the same in your rear view mirror, whereas an A1, A3 and A4 frequently do.
Please note I'm not a VW fan/Audi basher. Until now I've only ever bought Ford, yet for years I've been confused about what Audi I am looking at when only looking at its front. My dad even drove an A6 which I would see on a regular basis and still I'd confuse it with the A3 or A4, yet have no difficulty identifying any other car that I can think of. Either I'm just inexplicably hopeless at spotting Audis or they are doing something such that 9/10 times the front looks the same, while on all other cars 10/10 times there is no confusion. Its far too improbable to be coincidence frankly.
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Also I bet none of your mates say the GTI is boring though. And if they do I bet its because they bought an S3. :evil: But I jest...
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I would take an R over an S3 every time.
VW which look good = Golf and Polo
Audi = A5 and R8
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I would take an R over an S3 every time.
VW which look good = Golf and Polo
Audi = A5 and R8
I think the Polo is great, would love to see a Clio RS type Polo. 200bhp and add some lightness.
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VW which look good = Golf and Polo
What about the Scirocco = a cracker!
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Really like the understated look of this.
Very tempted to cancel the golf and go for this.
Would have to compromise on spec as my choices would make the car nearly 36k :cry:
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Really like the understand look of this.
Very tempted to cancel the golf and go for this.
Would have to compromise on spec as my choices would make the cat nearly 36k :cry:
Chris
IMO if you can afford it you should go for it. It's a step up from the GTI but that's my opinion
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I agree. The S3 is a different class of car.
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VW which look good = Golf and Polo
What about the Scirocco = a cracker!
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She's getting a bit long in the tooth now though, i'm surprised there hasn't been any kind of external facelift since it was released, even some LED tail lights would make a big difference imo, still smart mind.
With regards the S3, it's not really fair to compare it to the GTI pricewise as the R would be it's rival with it's power and 4wd, we'll have to wait and see how that one pans out though! :drool:
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VW which look good = Golf and Polo
What about the Scirocco = a cracker!
:wink:
I owned a Scirocco in 2009, it was a big mistake on my part that I bought it. I see your point as I did choose one. It's not a car which I rate.
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I could afford it but have a budget in mind as like to live comfortably without worrying about cash.
I think the golf is a car you can enjoy more of the time.
It won't break the bank but will give you most of the thrills an s3 would in my opinion.
I'd love an s3 with the s tronic gearbox as I think this would suit the car more, but I really don't think it's worth the extra outlay in my opinion.
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I owned a Scirocco in 2009, it was a big mistake on my part that I bought it. I see your point as I did choose one. It's not a car which I rate.
Pray tell?
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After much thought I've ordered the GTI!
S3 was tempting, but in the end I couldn't justify the additional outlay when the GTI is such a good package.
Looking forward to Nov/Dec delivery...a long wait but I know it'll be worth it.
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Did you order from a Dealer Thornster ?
Wondered what lead times they are quoting currently.... did they shift at all on the price ? My current discussions are squeezing around £1500 out of one dealer but others have been able to secure more..
Andy
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Did you order from a Dealer Thornster ?
Wondered what lead times they are quoting currently.... did they shift at all on the price ? My current discussions are squeezing around £1500 out of one dealer but others have been able to secure more..
Andy
I ended up ordering via an online broker (Drivethedeal) with a 12% discount, which i thought was a very good deal! Other brokers are offering 5 - 9% off from memory.
My local dealer was also very, very good and also offered a very good discount, but unfortunately couldn't match the 12%.
If you really want to deal locally and have certainty of the supplying dealer I'd still be aiming for a 7 - 9% discount...
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I agree. The S3 is a different class of car.
And remember you can do a 4 yr pcp compared to vw's 3yr......
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I agree. The S3 is a different class of car.
And remember you can do a 4 yr pcp compared to vw's 3yr......
Got an email from a local dealer yesterday saying 4 year PCP now available on VWs
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I agree. The S3 is a different class of car.
And remember you can do a 4 yr pcp compared to vw's 3yr......
Got an email from a local dealer yesterday saying 4 year PCP now available on VWs
Hope so, will make a big difference to the monthly
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:whistle
Anyone seen any finance examples for the S3?
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:whistle
Anyone seen any finance examples for the S3?
Yes - I've had monthly figures; based around a 15,000 miles/year, 48 month PCP. The GFV was £13,723 based on the numbers I had back (yes - I know thats a high GFV).
If you use the GFV above and a pcp calculator you can get a good idea of the monthly payments (for 15,000 miles/year, 48 month PCP).
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I agree. The S3 is a different class of car.
And remember you can do a 4 yr pcp compared to vw's 3yr......
Got an email from a local dealer yesterday saying 4 year PCP now available on VWs
Hope so, will make a big difference to the monthly
Considering VW and Audi are the same finance company it made no sense only to offer the PCP to Audi.
Although when I was looking about last year, a couple of VW dealers said they could offer me 4 years PCP as they use an external finance company in certain situations.
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We have a mk5 edition 30, and the S3 was on the shortlist next to what we presume will be the edition 40 coming out soon...
The two things we were looking to improve was the fuel economy and the space, and whilst the former was sorted through the passage of time, we had our eye on the A3 sportback as an alternative to the golf with a 'bit more luggage space'.
Well I was a bit surprised to find out that it appears that the S3 sportback is narrower in the luggage area, with just the same luggage space (380 litres). So I'm not sure the S3 is going to remain on the list after all...
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The Audi S3, 3 door or Sportback, is a premium brand car. A3s are better made/finished than VWs and are therefore at a higher price point. Also the S3 is a much faster car than the GTI.
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I don't think the ED40 is due until 2017, so I doubt you could be the owner of one for about 4 years... Are you waiting that long?
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Anyone seen any finance examples for the S3?
Yes - I've had monthly figures; based around a 15,000 miles/year, 48 month PCP. The GFV was £13,723 based on the numbers I had back (yes - I know thats a high GFV).
If you use the GFV above and a pcp calculator you can get a good idea of the monthly payments (for 15,000 miles/year, 48 month PCP).
Ok so 17k financed over 4 years still puts it over 400 month?
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The Audi S3, 3 door or Sportback, is a premium brand car. A3s are better made/finished than VWs and are therefore at a higher price point. Also the S3 is a much faster car than the GTI.
Do they use better screws and bolts on an A3 to screw together 90% of the common parts it shares with a Golf? Does Audi have a better set of SOPs/WIs so the assemblers can do a better job of it? I think not. Slightly more use of the softer plastics on the lower trims, slightly more use of Aluminium (on Audis in general, not specifically A3) are pretty much all that separates an A3 from it's equivalent trim level, as well as higher price and less equipment. S3 has one up on the GTI because of it's powerplant, e-diff and braking system, no denying that.
The VAG company with the best customer satisfaction is Skoda. Are they put together better than any other VAG group set of cars? Probably not, more likely the customers expectations are lower for the price bracket they are in.
I fed the troll.
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The Audi S3, 3 door or Sportback, is a premium brand car. A3s are better made/finished than VWs and are therefore at a higher price point. Also the S3 is a much faster car than the GTI.
Do they use better screws and bolts on an A3 to screw together 90% of the common parts it shares with a Golf? Does Audi have a better set of SOPs/WIs so the assemblers can do a better job of it? I think not. Slightly more use of the softer plastics on the lower trims, slightly more use of Aluminium (on Audis in general, not specifically A3) are pretty much all that separates an A3 from it's equivalent trim level, as well as higher price and less equipment. S3 has one up on the GTI because of it's powerplant, e-diff and braking system, no denying that.
The VAG company with the best customer satisfaction is Skoda. Are they put together better than any other VAG group set of cars? Probably not, more likely the customers expectations are lower for the price bracket they are in.
I fed the troll.
Actually the skodas are. Audi bosses use skoda as an example. In the internal employees meeting seminars for the past 5 years skoda has been mensioned as an example of the best factory QC QA in the company and how Audi has to improve.
If you have a look at cars arriving at dealership you will find theres less to correct on a skoda than a vw or audi. Some of the panel alighnment from the factory is actually quite shocking.
As for the design audi dont cost cut as much as vw and skoda as they dont have to cut as much to meet the build cost levels.
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The Audi brand powers all the profits in the VAG group. I must admit they are beautifully made. The only thing I slightly dislike is the front grille and the slightly soulless drive which the Mk7 Golf seems to avoid. The A3/S3 interior is so minimalist that it is quite a shock when you first see it. Then, when you look at the inside of the Golf, the latter seems so cluttered (as do most cars except the new Mercedes S Class) and you wonder why VW did not up the ante a bit on the Mk7 by streamlining the interior a bit more in Audi fashion.
BTW, I rather like the look of the new A3 saloon.
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The Audi brand powers all the profits in the VAG group. I must admit they are beautifully made. The only thing I slightly dislike is the front grille and the slightly soulless drive which the Mk7 Golf seems to avoid. The A3/S3 interior is so minimalist that it is quite a shock when you first see it. Then, when you look at the inside of the Golf, the latter seems so cluttered (as do most cars except the new Mercedes S Class) and you wonder why VW did not up the ante a bit on the Mk7 by streamlining the interior a bit more in Audi fashion.
BTW, I rather like the look of the new A3 saloon.
If you think the inside of the Mk7 is relatively cluttered, you should look inside a new focus...angles and buttons all over the place.
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Like many people I considered the s3 but it really is a different price bracket, I mean paying for elec folding and heated door mirrors on a 30k car !?
Also, and its just my opinion but audis's are becoming incredibly bland and selling on their quality build and Christmas tree daytime running lights.. Someone at Audi must be in charge of " think of a new design of daytime running light". I think the s3 looks more like a std a3 than a golf gti does a std golf.
Also, and again it's my opinion, but most of the nobbish tailgating drivers who once lurked in a BMW 3 series are now in a4 and a5's. That is a generalization of course, but audis's image really puts me off buying one to be honest. I would buy a bmw before an Audi to be honest, they are just as well made and better to drive. My 2004 330ci coupe has just passed 100k miles and feels like it is 3 years old and Unbreakable.
There is a certain satisfaction in knowing how well dynamically a gti is sorted and that only those who have driven one can know beauty is more than skin deep..
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Honestly Audi cars are the most boring looking cars on the planet, as for quality being better than vw, no sorry I don't see it at all. Had a few mark 5 and 6 gti's and just got rid of a mercedes cls 350cdi because it was like the Audi souless to drive and own. Can't beat the gti for driving and owning. The last Audi I had the sunvisor fell off when I opened it. Never had that with vw.
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Honestly Audi cars are the most boring looking cars on the planet
Perhaps a little bit of an exaggeration. :whistle:
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No don't think so, I don't know anybody who likes the look of an Audi, the all look the same, you can hardly tell one from the other. And that grill is horrible, just my opinion i much prefer vw. I had a vw cc and Audi a4 and the cc was ten times better looking inside and out.
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I bought an A3 several years ago. I was suckered by the advertising and perceived quality. Big mistake. It rattled like a biscuit tin from day one and it was just a soul less dull machine. It looked nice when parked but I hated driving it. Traded it for a MKV GTI after 18 months. Night and day!
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Well said Joe :smiley:
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Agreed
Audi is the German Peugeot..
Every one of their cars looks like a smaller or larger version of something else in their range.
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Oh I completely agree they all look the same, said the very thing a while back on this very forum. They're far from the ugliest though. Fiat multipla comes to mind... Prius, juke, jag s-type, Toyota Camry... So many much much worse cars.
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Oh I completely agree they all look the same, said the very thing a while back on this very forum. They're far from the ugliest though. Fiat multipla comes to mind... Prius, juke, jag s-type, Toyota Camry... So many much much worse cars.
Not really current cars though are they apart from the Juke?
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Not really current cars though are they apart from the Juke?
Do we really think Audis are the worst though? There are so many (current) cars on the road that look much worse, I don't even know what half of them are. I suspect Peugeot and Citroen are the main offenders.
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No don't think so, I don't know anybody who likes the look of an Audi, the all look the same, you can hardly tell one from the other. And that grill is horrible, just my opinion i much prefer vw. I had a vw cc and Audi a4 and the cc was ten times better looking inside and out.
Agree with you almost 100%, though I do think the R8 and A5 look nice........but overall yes bland. VW much more :cool:
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I was suckered into vw so called modern cars quality. After a successful 8 years of reliable rattle free SEAT GTIs/cupras I went upmarket and got suckered by the mk5(then spent 5 years trading advice with redrobin on tyresmoke fixing and advicing others on how to fix all the rattles, issues, and preventative measures against rusting sills, bootlids, wings etc) then foolishly stupidly the idiot i am fell for it again and got the mk6 and started the poor build and the vwuk order and diabolical service and shocking poor rubbish dealers all over again.....
My father ran Audis for over 25 years without issues I really wish I could say the same about modern VWs. I would really really like to but modern VW I have found poor especially from an engineering point of view were as my mk1 has been fantastic over the past 22 years.
Audis maybe poor but there built to a higher build cost than vw because they are allowed a higher project cost. Vw is just a cut price Audi. VW is an Audi with cost cutting.
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Not really current cars though are they apart from the Juke?
Do we really think Audis are the worst though? There are so many (current) cars on the road that look much worse, I don't even know what half of them are. I suspect Peugeot and Citroen are the main offenders.
Worst how? If you mean their cars having a "Corporate face" then yes i think Audi are the worst for it, VW are going down that route but imo you can still (just) tell the difference between them, i prefer VW over Audi as i struggle with the rep mobile image but i have considered them over the VW equivalent.
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Looking at past mk5 and mk6 GTI owners over the past 8 years a large percentage of them were company cars.
Its about time the cars were labelled as such like some hire cars are :wink:
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I'm not sure what the objection here is now. If it is that Audis all look so similar then I agree, but surely Peugeot with all their cars looking like a fish with a gum shield from the front is far worse? If the objection is that Audi is simply the ugliest then I think not, they don't look ugly as such just unremarkable. If anything VW have a lot to answer for in this area too!
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I'm not sure what the objection here is now. If it is that Audis all look so similar then I agree, but surely Peugeot with all their cars looking like a fish with a gum shield from the front is far worse? If the objection is that Audi is simply the ugliest then I think not, they don't look ugly as such just unremarkable. If anything VW have a lot to answer for in this area too!
Far from the ugliest, unremarkable is a good description.
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I'm not sure what the objection here is now. If it is that Audis all look so similar then I agree, but surely Peugeot with all their cars looking like a fish with a gum shield from the front is far worse? If the objection is that Audi is simply the ugliest then I think not, they don't look ugly as such just unremarkable. If anything VW have a lot to answer for in this area too!
Also, Fords all now look like fish (Trouts to be exact)
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I'm not sure what the objection here is now. If it is that Audis all look so similar then I agree, but surely Peugeot with all their cars looking like a fish with a gum shield from the front is far worse? If the objection is that Audi is simply the ugliest then I think not, they don't look ugly as such just unremarkable. If anything VW have a lot to answer for in this area too!
Also, Fords all now look like fish (Trouts to be exact)
They're trying to look like Astons. :whistle:
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I'm not sure what the objection here is now. If it is that Audis all look so similar then I agree, but surely Peugeot with all their cars looking like a fish with a gum shield from the front is far worse? If the objection is that Audi is simply the ugliest then I think not, they don't look ugly as such just unremarkable. If anything VW have a lot to answer for in this area too!
Also, Fords all now look like fish (Trouts to be exact)
They're trying to look like Astons. :whistle:
I know :laugh: the new Mondeo has been trouted, sorry I mean touted for like 2 years now and still no launch. The focus is getting a fiesta trout lift apparently :laugh:
Aston Martin you should sue Fish, I mean Ford :rolleyes:
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I saw the new A3 Sportback in white today. It looked like a breadvan. Maybe it was a Q5. No, it was an A3 Sportback. It's parked on my street at present looking like a blamange. I do like a good blamange but not on 4 wheels. Maybe I should buy one so that I can really hate a car that I own. Style wise, the Mk7 Golf is a much better attempt. But attempt it is.
The Russian Doll School of Design is being very successful especially in Germany.
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I've had complaints about this thread.
Play nice please ;-)
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So what cars do you guys like then? And no, you can't pick any variant of the GTI because that's a given! :smiley:
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I've had complaints about this thread.
Play nice please ;-)
not that I can see owt wrong. :huh: Some people my be sensitive in this hot weather :whistle:
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I've had complaints about this thread.
Play nice please ;-)
not that I can see owt wrong. :huh: Some people my be sensitive in this hot weather :whistle:
Everyone's at it - it's like heat fever :rolleyes:
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So what cars do you guys like then? And no, you can't pick any variant of the GTI because that's a given! :smiley:
Can am quads.
In my case Can am outlanders with 1000cc engines ;-)
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I like boobies
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...lmao someone really complained? They need to visit some of the other forums on the web.
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I like boobies
Spam from a mod? :laugh:
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I like boobies
Spam from a mod? :laugh:
Only the finest form of spam sir :tongue:
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I like boobies
:embarrassed: me too
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I was suckered into vw so called modern cars quality. After a successful 8 years of reliable rattle free SEAT GTIs/cupras I went upmarket and got suckered by the mk5(then spent 5 years trading advice with redrobin on tyresmoke fixing and advicing others on how to fix all the rattles, issues, and preventative measures against rusting sills, bootlids, wings etc) then foolishly stupidly the idiot i am fell for it again and got the mk6 and started the poor build and the vwuk order and diabolical service and shocking poor rubbish dealers all over again.....
My father ran Audis for over 25 years without issues I really wish I could say the same about modern VWs. I would really really like to but modern VW I have found poor especially from an engineering point of view were as my mk1 has been fantastic over the past 22 years.
Audis maybe poor but there built to a higher build cost than vw because they are allowed a higher project cost. Vw is just a cut price Audi. VW is an Audi with cost cutting.
Are the equivalent aged Audi's not rattling?
What are the Skoda factories doing differently...with an even smaller project cost than the VW?
Either way are any of the German car makes reliable as there past reputation seems to suggest to the general public, 'It's VW it must be reliable'.
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All makes have problems though. My Boss's BMW had been nicknamed the "money bucket", a friend bought a 2nd hand Civic Type R and must have been to see dozens before he found one with no prior issues. Toyota foreve doing recalls... Not had a problem with a Ford, but I bet that doesn't mean they don't exist.
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All makes have problems though. My Boss's BMW had been nicknamed the "money bucket", a friend bought a 2nd hand Civic Type R and must have been to see dozens before he found one with no prior issues. Toyota foreve doing recalls... Not had a problem with a Ford, but I bet that doesn't mean they don't exist.
I know I've said this before, but the lease company got the hump with my '09 A4 Sline TFSI when it went in for new wheel bearings (About £1k) because they had already spent £9,000 on it over 4 years... and it had a complete new engine in it (Though Audi changed it over 3 separate visits!!) and it was £34,500 new!.. mind you....it looked fantastic imo sat on it's 19's :cool:
Rich
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I was suckered into vw so called modern cars quality. After a successful 8 years of reliable rattle free SEAT GTIs/cupras I went upmarket and got suckered by the mk5(then spent 5 years trading advice with redrobin on tyresmoke fixing and advicing others on how to fix all the rattles, issues, and preventative measures against rusting sills, bootlids, wings etc) then foolishly stupidly the idiot i am fell for it again and got the mk6 and started the poor build and the vwuk order and diabolical service and shocking poor rubbish dealers all over again.....
My father ran Audis for over 25 years without issues I really wish I could say the same about modern VWs. I would really really like to but modern VW I have found poor especially from an engineering point of view were as my mk1 has been fantastic over the past 22 years.
Audis maybe poor but there built to a higher build cost than vw because they are allowed a higher project cost. Vw is just a cut price Audi. VW is an Audi with cost cutting.
As regarding your comments on vw build quality I have had 15 vw over the last 10 years and never had one a rattle or problem with any of the cars I have owned. I had constant problems with the Audi a4 it was a pile of junk.
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I was suckered into vw so called modern cars quality. After a successful 8 years of reliable rattle free SEAT GTIs/cupras I went upmarket and got suckered by the mk5(then spent 5 years trading advice with redrobin on tyresmoke fixing and advicing others on how to fix all the rattles, issues, and preventative measures against rusting sills, bootlids, wings etc) then foolishly stupidly the idiot i am fell for it again and got the mk6 and started the poor build and the vwuk order and diabolical service and shocking poor rubbish dealers all over again.....
My father ran Audis for over 25 years without issues I really wish I could say the same about modern VWs. I would really really like to but modern VW I have found poor especially from an engineering point of view were as my mk1 has been fantastic over the past 22 years.
Audis maybe poor but there built to a higher build cost than vw because they are allowed a higher project cost. Vw is just a cut price Audi. VW is an Audi with cost cutting.
As regarding your comments on vw build quality I have had 15 vw over the last 10 years and never had one a rattle or problem with any of the cars I have owned. I had constant problems with the Audi a4 it was a pile of junk.
Ah...good point, a lot people at work have Golf bluemotions (Clearly no style :wink:) they absolutely love them and have no issues with them whatsoever
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All makes have problems though. My Boss's BMW had been nicknamed the "money bucket", a friend bought a 2nd hand Civic Type R and must have been to see dozens before he found one with no prior issues. Toyota foreve doing recalls... Not had a problem with a Ford, but I bet that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Just being a bit evil.
With Hyundai, Kia, Skoda, Dacia: huge problems. Need name changes! :evil:
Good cars, though.
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I like boobies
:embarrassed: me too
Which type?
Photos would be nice ;-)
(http://inverseflux.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/boobies4.jpg)
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I like boobies
:embarrassed: me too
Which type?
Photos would be nice ;-)
(http://inverseflux.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/boobies4.jpg)
the set on the right will do me :grin: