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General => The garage => Topic started by: shiloh on 29 May 2013, 13:10
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Hi everyone, Im brand new to this site and a first time VW owner as next Saturday. I'm getting a second hand 2002 VW golf GTI 1.8t 150 BHP with 28000 miles on the clock :grin:. I’m looking to get it remapped to around 190 to 200BHP and was wondering if this is recommended, will there be much of an improvement in acceleration?
Does anyone know a good place to get a remap done in Scotland, or better yet Aberdeen? Also am I likely to have any problems with the car after the remap?
Thanks everyone :smiley:
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Btw its the petrol version
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You see 200bhp u can do that on a stage 1 abd nice fining a 1.8t on 28k is like gold dust!
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A remap is well worth it, just make sure all is sound before you remap it.
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Well respected place, not too far away
http://www.starperformance.co.uk/
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Cheers guys, I gave starperformance a call, they said they could take the horsepower up to 185 and torque to 270nm for 300pounds. Is this a reasonable gain or can I get better elsewhere?
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My ones booked into Ricky gauld out by huntley for a week on monday. He was recommended by a friend who's used him for his rally car. Ill let you know how it goes. I've not mentioned what power I'm looking for because I feel it's best to let him decide. Prices he quoted me for a custom map were £275 + vat and power runs £40 + vat
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I went down to sitech racing at rosyth near Edinburgh great guys and I got 254bhp on a stage 2 revo map!
Have a look on there site
http://sitechracing.co.uk/
Give them a call ask for Simon or ross there both very helpful guys!
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254bhp on a revo stage 2 mk4?
They sound like a friendly set of rollers :laugh:
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254bhp on a revo stage 2 mk4?
They sound like a friendly set of rollers :laugh:
Very friendly :grin:
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Spoke to a friend of my dads who used to race cars, he advised not to take the car over 180bhp and 270 torque as this will damage the enine as it will have "settled in" to working at a certain pressure. During a remap this pressure will increase which could cause damage to componetns within the engine. Anyone know if this is the case?
I really don't want to cause any damage to the car or cause the clutch to fail. Will remaping cause damage. was thinking of a revo remap that takes the car to 195bhp and 310Nm torque roughly but based on what I was told this would be a risky move. Any opinions/ advice?
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Spoke to a friend of my dads who used to race cars, he advised not to take the car over 180bhp and 270 torque as this will damage the enine as it will have "settled in" to working at a certain pressure. During a remap this pressure will increase which could cause damage to componetns within the engine. Anyone know if this is the case?
I really don't want to cause any damage to the car or cause the clutch to fail. Will remaping cause damage. was thinking of a revo remap that takes the car to 195bhp and 310Nm torque roughly but based on what I was told this would be a risky move. Any opinions/ advice?
Sorry to be harsh but that is a load of rubbish, if the car is sound and has been looked after plus the remap is of a good standard it will not hurt it or cause damage.
My car was on 120k when it was remapped with no issues, clutch wise if driven with care then it will be fine.
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This engines can run a lot more then that on standard internals.
250, 260bhp even upto 300 or so, so 180 is a daft figure.
A good remap wont damage the car but it may show weakness.
Say your clutch is on its way out and is just holding on a remap will make it start I slip but if it does it means that you woul have had to change it soon anyway.
Things probably will pop up that need fixing but the same things would have popped up a month or so later.
Just custom stage 1 done at a reputable place tht specialises in vw and 1.8t's like r-tech, badger5 etc and avoid any generic crap like revo or crappy backstreet garages that claims they can increase the horsepower of any car by 50bhp.
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Spoke to a friend of my dads who used to race cars, he advised not to take the car over 180bhp and 270 torque as this will damage the enine as it will have "settled in" to working at a certain pressure. During a remap this pressure will increase which could cause damage to componetns within the engine. Anyone know if this is the case?
I really don't want to cause any damage to the car or cause the clutch to fail. Will remaping cause damage. was thinking of a revo remap that takes the car to 195bhp and 310Nm torque roughly but based on what I was told this would be a risky move. Any opinions/ advice?
If wayne was being harsh then I'm just going to be a total dick :grin:
The mate of your dad's clearly knows nothing about the engines and is talking out of his arse. Hundreds of people run well over 200bhp completely safely.
It's when you get close to 300lb/ft that you risk bending rods but you'll need more than a stage 1 map to get anywhere near that.
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Print out to prove :cool:
Going to try get on another dyno run on different dyno. After injectors and maf?
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Print out to prove :cool:
Going to try get on another dyno run on different dyno. After injectors and maf?
Print out doesn't mean anything :grin:
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I'll have to come down and show you southern low boost lads how the shiny newly painted scottish mk4's do it :drool:
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Get booked into r-tech, they know their stuff and by far the best out there!
You have a aum engine code (if say) which comes with a k03s being 2001+. You will have no problem hitting 220-225bhp with the right supporting mods with plenty of room to push up to 260bhp if you want to go all out and push it.
Rods can go any time depending on peak cylinder charge pressures.....too much pressure and rods bend. BAM rods can be bent using a stock map, so the 300lbft guideline isnt accurate....but its a good one.
Scott.....what mods have you got for 254bhp? whats your engine code?
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Auq with ko4 and mostly all add ons.
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I'll have to come down and show you southern low boost lads how the shiny newly painted scottish mk4's do it :drool:
give me a week or 2 an your more than welcome to come put your golf to the test :grin:
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Infact, 254 isnt even much, sounds about right for a revo map as im sure they dont even do a stage 2 k04 for the auq. K04 these days putting out 300bhp!
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Infact, 254 isnt even much, sounds about right for a revo map as im sure they dont even do a stage 2 k04 for the auq. K04 these days putting out 300bhp!
254 isn't much?? I have put a lot of time and money into getting parts all rated for more and I have settled with that running nice and everyday also a lot of members would love that power...
I am currently running stage 2 with my ko4.. So what you on about?
Yes there are cars with ko4's running 300... What's your point?
I'll have to come down and show you southern low boost lads how the shiny newly painted scottish mk4's do it :drool:
give me a week or 2 an your more than welcome to come put your golf to the test :grin:
You should come up and see my car this weekend as its just out paint shop hopefully Saturday :nerd:
Also have to bed in the new clutch and the engine and gearbox has all been out and total overhaul so needs bedding in as we'll. could you post a link to your build so I can see?
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Infact, 254 isnt even much, sounds about right for a revo map as im sure they dont even do a stage 2 k04 for the auq. K04 these days putting out 300bhp!
254 isn't much?? I have put a lot of time and money into getting parts all rated for more and I have settled with that running nice and everyday also a lot of members would love that power...
I am currently running stage 2 with my ko4.. So what you on about?
Yes there are cars with ko4's running 300... What's your point?
I'll have to come down and show you southern low boost lads how the shiny newly painted scottish mk4's do it :drool:
give me a week or 2 an your more than welcome to come put your golf to the test :grin:
You should come up and see my car this weekend as its just out paint shop hopefully Saturday :nerd:
Also have to bed in the new clutch and the engine and gearbox has all been out and total overhaul so needs bedding in as we'll. could you post a link to your build so I can see?
TT 225 9.0:1 Compression piston's
Audi TT225 Manifold
Audi TT225 K04 Turbo, brackets and oil feed pipes
Audi TT225 Fuel Pump
Audi TT225 Injectors
Fly by wire Inlet Plenum (Modified for throttle cable)
4 Bar Fuel Pressure regulator
Helix Organic Clutch
New Big End & Main Bearings
New Oil Pump
New Head Gasket
New Cam Belt Kit
New Metal Bade Water Pump
Bailey Recirculating Dump Valve
Pipercross TT225 Air Filter
VR6 MAF Housing
SFS Silicone Turbo Intake Pipe
Modifications done when converted to four wheel drive:
Boot floor out of 4 motion golf
Rear Subframe, diff and suspension from R32
Audi TT225 6 Speed Gearbox and Transfer box
Audi TT225 Flywheel and ECS Tuning Kevlar Stage 3 Clutch - good for 400whp
Golf 4 motion Propshaft and front drive shafts
4 Motion Controller made by Dutch Build
Customs Stainless Exhaust
KW Variant 3 Audi S3 Coilover Kit (fully height, bump and rebound adjustable)
Vibra Technics Road engine Mounts
Custom Front Mount Intercooler
Custom Hard 2.5" Intercooler Piping painted black
Forge Intake pipe with Dump Valve Relocator
Goodridge Braided Brake Hoses
Forge Rear Camber Rod's
Chassis Modifications:
19" R32 Style Alloy Wheels
235/35/19 hankook v12 evo's
Porsche 996 turbo front callipers
356 x 32 front discs 308x22mm ECS big discs kit for rear
25th Anniversary rear callipers
Body Modifications:
Genuine R32 Rear Spoiler
Genuine R32 Side Skirt's
R7A Design's Rear Valance originally supplied with twin exit Milltek - has been modified to have twin round pipes
One off front bumper, modified to use original grille, and late type plastic mesh
Full re-spray in Sprint Blue
Interior Modifications:
Brand New 4wd boot trims
HKS 60mm Blue Gauges
Pioneer AVH-P4000DVD Headunit with I-pod cable and Bluetooth hands free
VW Racing 6 speed gear knob
Alpine MRV- F400 running standard door speakers
Alpine MRV - T1000 running sub
the car has now covered 85k miles since new and the engine has covered 40k since being built, the car can either run fwd or 4wd which is fully adjustable via a control in the glove box upto a 50/50 split so doesn't just sit there spinning alot more fun than a r32 with more power and less weight!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=204540.0
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I love a good project.
Did you do it yourself mechanics and paintwork?
Very tidy work, I will have to pass your direction on my mission to get the bedding miles over as fast as possible ha
Sow you my very own custom bumper :nerd: bit of a subtle car compared to yours.
How do you find the car works with the 2 wheel drive? Can you hear 4x4 prop shaft whilst driving in 4 wheel drive?
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I love a good project.
Did you do it yourself mechanics and paintwork?
Very tidy work, I will have to pass your direction on my mission to get the bedding miles over as fast as possible ha
Sow you my very own custom bumper :nerd: bit of a subtle car compared to yours.
How do you find the car works with the 2 wheel drive? Can you hear 4x4 prop shaft whilst driving in 4 wheel drive?
no i just bought the car as is with all the invoices for the work done an parts put on :laugh: only thing i have done is have a new exhaust made for it an just sticking on a new turbo in the next few days for r-tech to map it
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Oh dear haha well fair play!
What sort of power you hoping for?
There's you throwing that impressive spec about and your not even the inventor ha :whistle:
Definitely got to meet up and go to some cruises when both cars on road.
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Oh dear haha well fair play!
What sort of power you hoping for?
There's you throwing that impressive spec about and your not even the inventor ha :whistle:
Definitely got to meet up and go to some cruises when both cars on road.
did you invent the software or anything you have put on your car :grin: :grin: an running a revo map wont do you any good
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Ha yeh man super programmer :smug: NOT ha
I take your point!
I have had a few people say not to use the revo map.. It's a very good map hits good power I get good mpg on the road and I like the setup with boost and lag time, and the service I received getting the map.
It's been 100% the map I wanted and I would recommend revo to anyone thinking if getting there car tuned.
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Ha yeh man super programmer :smug: NOT ha
I take your point!
I have had a few people say not to use the revo map.. It's a very good map hits good power I get good mpg on the road and I like the setup with boost and lag time, and the service I received getting the map.
It's been 100% the map I wanted and I would recommend revo to anyone thinking if getting there car tuned.
well i certainly wont be letting the local revo guy near my car an i could throw a stone to his front door he is that close to me :wink:
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I went to sitech racing at rosyth and i know the guys personally.
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I went to sitech racing at rosyth and i know the guys personally.
a mate also told me about these guys but r-tech would always be my 1st choice after driving an s3 they had done a few years ago :smiley:
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Infact, 254 isnt even much, sounds about right for a revo map as im sure they dont even do a stage 2 k04 for the auq. K04 these days putting out 300bhp!
254 isn't much?? I have put a lot of time and money into getting parts all rated for more and I have settled with that running nice and everyday also a lot of members would love that power...
I am currently running stage 2 with my ko4.. So what you on about?
Yes there are cars with ko4's running 300... What's your point?
Personally, I wouldnt say thats stage 2 power....Its only 30bhp over the standard BAM engine if you were to look at it that way.
Typically, you can see about 260 from a stage 1 map with k04. Then if you have the supporting mods.....Downpipe, TIP, filter, FMIC etc, there is no reason why you cant get 280bhp from it at 21psi boost peak. Stick a relentless manifold and meth on and you can open the door to up to 300bhp.
My point: stage 2 revo doesnt give decent gains to take into account of hardware....revo old and outdated now.
However, if your happy, thats all that matters.
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Auq is 180 standard so I'm over 70hp gain which is near 40% power increase..
But I see where your coming from, I could get more power and why don't I sort of thing?? i may go for more later and I am setup with the right kit to do so. I'm still running standard fuel pump and injectors only got the 4bfpr on at the moment.
But anyways keep a look at my threads and see my full respray which I will have finished this week.
Should be sweeeeet
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Yeah!
Careful with the 4bar FPR, known to cause issues with fuel pump due to pumps being too weak to meet demands of the rail pressure. Starts to weaken up and become lean top end and can cause misfires.
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Does anyone have any experience with angel tuning up north or motor werks for getting remapping done?
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Does anyone have any experience with angel tuning up north or motor werks for getting remapping done?
angel tuning done a mates caddy van think the guys name that done it was paul :smiley:
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My friend has a lovely 225bhp golf by angel tuning.
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Does anyone have any experience with angel tuning up north or motor werks for getting remapping done?
Yes, They did a Fabia VRS back in 2005, and did a fantastic job. Well impressed :wink: