Done. Looks good Bear.
(might want to check the spelling of Adaptive (for ACC) on the form) :grin:
Also, although you have only asked for 4 numbers minimum of the o/n, it won't let you do that and doesn't allow 1234xxxx for instance - so I just put down my full order number - between you and me eh ?
Unable to complete as you don't list Carbon Grey in the Colours!
It's a good idea, and good effort on you for putting it together... But is this info really gonna help us get our cars any quicker? :drool:
But is this info really gonna help us get our cars any quicker? :drool:
Not good enough Bear!! :grin: :laugh:
Not good enough Bear!! :grin: :laugh:
I know :cry:
Must learn to get my priorities right.
Ok we've had 25 replies, good job chaps. Most don't have confirmed BWs though, I think we need more replies with BW before a picture will emerge. Anyone who gets one or calls in to VW can do the form again filling in only the confirmed BW and whatever they have to and using the SAME nickname and I can sort through it fine.
I'll see if I can post results of what we have anyway but will probably be tomorrow now.
I took confirmed BW to be a tracker confirmed build happening, not what VW UK told me - I will get mine and my dad's amended if that's the criteria for confirmed. :laugh:
Bill the bear: Depends on the source of "estimated". I consider my conversation with dealer and VW UK only an estimated date. Until they can categorically say "it's getting built next week" I don't consider it confirmed. Quoted week 26 for me is still only a provisional week as far as VW UK are confirmed, although they admit that it should only be brought forward at this point if it moves at all.
Still, an "estimated" date for an order that's come from the dealer's mouth which hasn't been amended in the meantime is probably as "definite" as you can get right now.
Based on estimated dates, are you seeing anything like no-one with ACC or sunroof getting a car made before week 32 etc? I think I may be amongst the earliest BW for a GTD from my recollection of other postings.
Bill the bear: Depends on the source of "estimated". I consider my conversation with dealer and VW UK only an estimated date. Until they can categorically say "it's getting built next week" I don't consider it confirmed. Quoted week 26 for me is still only a provisional week as far as VW UK are confirmed, although they admit that it should only be brought forward at this point if it moves at all.
Still, an "estimated" date for an order that's come from the dealer's mouth which hasn't been amended in the meantime is probably as "definite" as you can get right now.
Based on estimated dates, are you seeing anything like no-one with ACC or sunroof getting a car made before week 32 etc? I think I may be amongst the earliest BW for a GTD from my recollection of other postings.
I get what you are saying. However, at least four people who give me the entire order number have "BW confirmed" showing on the website, yet only one of them could give a confirmed BW in the survey. Their dealers should be able to in these cases and from people who haven't responded yet or didn't give the full order number there must be even more than four!
Still can't believe four guys already have "Confirmed" build dates showing on the tracker & mine is still showing "Processing"... I must have been one of the earliest to place my order back in March when the order books first opened (29.03.13).
Gung-Ho: My information says you are the second order ever placed (that we know about). You were beaten to the post by one day. The earliest order with BW confirmed on the tracker was placed a couple of days after you. Not sure if that is good news or bad.
Interestingly the first two orders placed have slightly higher order numbers than orders placed in the next 2-3 days. Perhaps it was a weekend or something and they were beaten to it when the system updated on Monday. I'm speculating of course.
Gung-Ho: My information says you are the second order ever placed (that we know about). You were beaten to the post by one day. The earliest order with BW confirmed on the tracker was placed a couple of days after you. Not sure if that is good news or bad.
Interestingly the first two orders placed have slightly higher order numbers than orders placed in the next 2-3 days. Perhaps it was a weekend or something and they were beaten to it when the system updated on Monday. I'm speculating of course.
Orders could be processed on the Saturday of the Easter weekend. My Good Friday order was processed and acknowledged the next day (with VW order number emailed back to me from my dealer) because unusually the admin staff were all in on the Saturday. I suspect that for most dealerships, a weekend order would have been processed on the Monday following the weekend (or Tuesday in the case of the Easter weekend).
Gung-Ho: My information says you are the second order ever placed (that we know about). You were beaten to the post by one day. The earliest order with BW confirmed on the tracker was placed a couple of days after you. Not sure if that is good news or bad.
Gung-Ho: My information says you are the second order ever placed (that we know about). You were beaten to the post by one day. The earliest order with BW confirmed on the tracker was placed a couple of days after you. Not sure if that is good news or bad.
Whaaaaat!!! That SUCKS!!! Big time!!!
The only consolation is that my dealer has confirmed their system is showing provisional Week 27.... Lets hope that's accurate.
Gung-Ho: My information says you are the second order ever placed (that we know about). You were beaten to the post by one day. The earliest order with BW confirmed on the tracker was placed a couple of days after you. Not sure if that is good news or bad.
Whaaaaat!!! That SUCKS!!! Big time!!!
The only consolation is that my dealer has confirmed their system is showing provisional Week 27.... Lets hope that's accurate.
Is better than provisional week 37 I can tell you that.
Unable to complete as you don't list Carbon Grey in the Colours!
Unable to complete as you don't list Carbon Grey in the Colours!
Hi there how did you manage to order one in Carbon Grey ?
I love that colour but it wasn't an option, so I went with Oryx white!
Is better than provisional week 37 I can tell you that.
Is better than provisional week 37 I can tell you that.
Which in turn is better than provisionals week 38 :grin:
I'd say they pull numbers out of a hat. :rolleyes:
I popped into Vindis Cambridge on Friday to be nosy. I didn't order from them but since they are my local dealer I wanted to see a GTI demo in the flesh, so to speak. Spoke to an odd fellow who seemed unable to look in any one direction for more than two seconds and rambled far too much when asked simple questions like "Do you have a GTI demo in yet?"
However, I asked if he had taken any order and the answer, which lasted a good five minutes they way he gave it, distilled down to "No.". So, if anyone fancies an early GTI you could try your luck with them. Then again, if the north-south theory holds maybe this won't help much.
I popped into Vindis Cambridge on Friday to be nosy. I didn't order from them but since they are my local dealer I wanted to see a GTI demo in the flesh, so to speak. Spoke to an odd fellow who seemed unable to look in any one direction for more than two seconds and rambled far too much when asked simple questions like "Do you have a GTI demo in yet?"
However, I asked if he had taken any order and the answer, which lasted a good five minutes they way he gave it, distilled down to "No.". So, if anyone fancies an early GTI you could try your luck with them. Then again, if the north-south theory holds maybe this won't help much.
Bear, what was his answer to if they have a demo/when are they getting one? I didn't order from them but its a bearable drive in order to see one if its coming soon.
EDIT: I work just around the corner from this dealer so there is a good chance I'll spot their's when it comes in. If so I'll PM you. I was hoping their website would have some details, such as information on their so called launch event, but sadly it is a waste of space. I may point this out to them next time I go to be nosy.
EDIT2: I'm slightly unsure how to play it with them since I didn't order from them and they don't know it. I don't want to come off as a 'wannabe' there to waste their time, but I imagine if I tell them I've already ordered one elsewhere they won't be inclined to offer test drives or anything since they'll not be getting anything out of it... except I suppose I'll want to service it with them so there is that.
Yeah a PM would be good if it comes in! And as for the test drive, I would suggest doing what I'm going to do if I get a chance to drive one before my dealer gets his - pretend I haven't ordered one! :wink:
As soon as I can be more precise I will post more but I think we might have to wait a couple weeks before we have better info.
After a few e mails from my Lease Company (Company Vehicle ordered through Listers VW of Worcester) I now have an order number. Admitedly I only ordered my 3dr GTD Pure white on 17.05.2013 (changed to Tornado red on 20.05.13 & back to pure white on 24.05.13, but it does not recognise the order number. Does anyone want to hazard a guess when I will see mine?? Please don't say November or December as I don't think I could make it!!
Orders 22 & 38 are outrageous!! good work though, think what we can glean from this is that we will all be waiting a very long time :sad:
Orders 22 & 38 are outrageous!! good work though, think what we can glean from this is that we will all be waiting a very long time :sad:
I totally agree, seeing as though mine's number 22! :rolleyes: Oh well, like I've said previous, nothing I can do but wait... :whistle:
Having just spoken to the salesman im buying from he has said estimated build weeks will come forward and thats from VW themselves.
Bill_The_Bear, Yes I filled in the survey but I didn't have my order number at the time so had to leave it blank. Should I go back in & re do it now I have it?
I'm quite keen to have people fill in the full order number where they are willing to do that because that way I can get the best information about when an order becomes a confirmed BW, and is therefore a reliable estimate of how long between order and build. This can then be applied to orders that don't yet have confirmed BWs so we can estimate them and make predictions about what factors might delay an order such as a particular option. If you fill the form in again and give the full order number it will of course not be shared anywhere.
By the way just had a 'Tweet' from @ VWUKHELP to say that the specification of the car can have an impact on your build week. They weren't anymore specific than that, & never mentioned which particular 'fitted extras' are causing delays to build weeks.
i wouldnt get too hung up on build weeks just yet. Having just spoken to the salesman im buying from he has said estimated build weeks will come forward and thats from VW themselves. My change of adding DCC hasnt pushed my order back according to him so we'll wait and see what happens.
My dealer has strongly emphasised to me also, that build weeks will come forward from the estimate.
Mine is a GTD however with a provisional BW of Wk 36!
Just had an update from my lease company..............my 3dr gtd pure white due for delivery 26.08.13. Est delivery to me 01.09.13
Just to add my bit.
Placed my order on the 6th May, and spoke to VW Uk today, and they have given me an estimated build week 28 - which after reading this board, doesn't seem too bad ! even if time seems to have stood still since the day the order went in.
Just to add my bit.no way on earth will that have build week of 28 if you ordered on 6th may. hope I'm wrong as few people on here have ordered 1 month earlier and they've got estimated week 34 (me included). which dealer have you ordered from if you don't mind me asking?
Placed my order on the 6th May, and spoke to VW Uk today, and they have given me an estimated build week 28 - which after reading this board, doesn't seem too bad ! even if time seems to have stood still since the day the order went in.
unless your the first person to order from the Durham branch? gives me a bit of hope that mine will come forward if you've been quoted WK 28. ordered mine 2nd April from Sunderland. have you been to see the red gti at Pulman yet?I went through at the weekend to have a look, but seems a manager had taken it home for the weekend !
Just to add my bit.
Placed my order on the 6th May, and spoke to VW Uk today, and they have given me an estimated build week 28 - which after reading this board, doesn't seem too bad ! even if time seems to have stood still since the day the order went in.
yeah he did. it was in today when I went to pick my car up. very very nice.unless your the first person to order from the Durham branch? gives me a bit of hope that mine will come forward if you've been quoted WK 28. ordered mine 2nd April from Sunderland. have you been to see the red gti at Pulman yet?I went through at the weekend to have a look, but seems a manager had taken it home for the weekend !
Glad I didn't see it, as I would have probably ended up changing the colour !yeah he did. it was in today when I went to pick my car up. very very nice.unless your the first person to order from the Durham branch? gives me a bit of hope that mine will come forward if you've been quoted WK 28. ordered mine 2nd April from Sunderland. have you been to see the red gti at Pulman yet?I went through at the weekend to have a look, but seems a manager had taken it home for the weekend !
My dealer has strongly emphasised to me also, that build weeks will come forward from the estimate.
Mine is a GTD however with a provisional BW of Wk 36!
Wait! Wat? According to my data your provisional is Wk24...! :angry: You been telling me porkies? :grin: :grin:
Anyway, better if its 36, I've spent way longer than I should have puzzling over why your estimated BW is before MkVIIGTD and others who picked the same car as you a month before you and yet won't be built until a month later. Well now I know! :tongue:
EDIT:
By better I mean more logical. I honestly hope you get moved forward from wk36. I'm also hoping to move out of the 30s.
Hi Guys,
Please follow the below link to a form you can fill in with your order details. Don't worry there is nothing personal asked for on the form. This should help us put some stats together to understand what might be causing the delays in some/all orders. I may post some graphs as a result of this but I won't post any specific details such as names/dates/order numbers. I don't believe this information is sensitive but I won't post it anyway. Giving a unique nickname is important to ensure there are not duplicates, and giving as much detail on dates and numbers is helpful, but don't feel you have to!
http://billthebear.wufoo.com/forms/mk7-gtigtd-order-analysis/
Some initial analysis. Looking at the order numbers, with a couple of odd exceptions (and I also corrected what appeared to be some typos, its not 2012 any more guys!), there is a correlation between when you order and the number you get.
However, there is no correlation between the order you get and your estimated BW!
Thanks to those who provided the entire order number. This is very helpful and soon I should be able to compare order number to website status and see if there is a correlation there.
(http://i.imgur.com/mTasIM1.png) (http://imgur.com/mTasIM1)
I am aware much of this info has been posted in threads and one of the stickys, but we're having a hard time keeping track of it so this would help a lot.
UPDATE: I noticed one or two of you have gone back and filled the form in again with more data. This is good! As long as you use the same nickname you can do this and I can see that additional information has been added, rather than a duplicate entry.
Bear.
Hi Bear, apologies if I am being thick, my dealer estimated that I would get my car either August or September but did not give me a date. I went to complete your form, however although my order number is showing build week confirmed on the tracker it does not give me an actual week number, should it? If not then how do I get the information to complete your form, do I have to contact the dealer.
Once I am clear on this I will complete the form, thanks for all your effort:-)
Hi Bill_the_Bear iv order the golf gtd i got my order number today and filled in your chart. im guessing i ordered mine around the 4th of May (dnt really no the exact date but around that) any chance u could tell me what my build date would be or an estimate? thanks
P.S - I didnt add any extras as i thought i was happy what it inculded. But looking on changing the colour to carbon grey would it send me back down the line?
ordered - GOLF GTD 5 DOOR MANUAL PEARLESENT BLACK
Guy's, this probably old news to most of you, but these quotes are taken off the 'track my order' section of the website, which tells us a bit about dealer allocation.
Why hasn't my order gone straight to being built?
Volkswagen UK operates what is called a managed supply system for most models, to ensure a fair distribution of available production across the retailer network. This means each retailer is allocated a set number of cars on a rolling three month basis. So when you place an order, it is advisable to check which month's allocation your car is intended for and if allocation is not available, whether it is possible to order from another retailer or when more vehicles may become available.
Why do some cars take longer than others?
For a bespoke new car that is ordered directly from the factory, lead times will vary depending on which model and specification you choose. For example our DSG gearboxes are always in high demand across the world so lead times of vehicles with DSG are extended. Where your car is built will also affect lead times as some of our factories are outside Europe and so are subject to extended shipping times. Your retailer has up-to-date information on lead times and we encourage you to discuss this with them if a short lead time is important to you.
If you've got BW confirmed on the website we're relatively confident that means the car will be built in about 4 weeks time.
I'm totally confused now???? Got an unexpected call from my dealer this afternoon to inform me that they had just taken delivery of a tornado red GTi for me to test drive but also to update me on my order. Looks like my original 'provisional/ estimated' build week 27 has now been brought forward to 25??? (This can't be possible as we're already in BW 22, so in theory my order should be a definite confirmed)
I queried it saying that it was still showing "Processing" on the tracker (& not Confirmed), but he told me not to worry as the information online tracker was not always accurate! Huh???? :huh: :huh:
I'm none the wiser....
If you've got BW confirmed on the website we're relatively confident that means the car will be built in about 4 weeks time.
I'm totally confused now???? Got an unexpected call from my dealer this afternoon to inform me that they had just taken delivery of a tornado red GTi for me to test drive but also to update me on my order. Looks like my original 'provisional/ estimated' build week 27 has now been brought forward to 25??? (This can't be possible as we're already in BW 22, so in theory my order should be a definite confirmed)
I queried it saying that it was still showing "Processing" on the tracker (& not Confirmed), but he told me not to worry as the information online tracker was not always accurate! Huh???? :huh: :huh:
I'm none the wiser....
why havent i been given a build week date yet when i ordered my GTD at the beginning of May? :huh:
and sems everyone on here has? anyone help me?
why havent i been given a build week date yet when i ordered my GTD at the beginning of May? :huh:
and sems everyone on here has? anyone help me?
Contact VW UK. That's what I did. My dealership couldn't give me a build week either
why havent i been given a build week date yet when i ordered my GTD at the beginning of May? :huh:
and sems everyone on here has? anyone help me?
Contact VW UK. That's what I did. My dealership couldn't give me a build week either
cheers mate did u contact them by phone or email? have u got a build date now and when did u order yours (if u dnt mind me asking)
why havent i been given a build week date yet when i ordered my GTD at the beginning of May? :huh:
and sems everyone on here has? anyone help me?
Contact VW UK. That's what I did. My dealership couldn't give me a build week either
cheers mate did u contact them by phone or email? have u got a build date now and when did u order yours (if u dnt mind me asking)
I just spoke to them a few minutes ago:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254547.msg2334566#msg2334566
Contact via twitter or if you can wait I might soon post a more direct contact email address of this helpful lady who is helping me.
In general though I wouldn't worry too much. Took ages for my dealer to give me an estimated BW and I think things are very confused over at VW at the moment. We'll get to the bottom of this, don't worry. No need to panic yet.
Hey Bear what do u think my BW would be or can u give me a estimate? i ordered mine around the beginning of May.
Hey Bear what do u think my BW would be or can u give me a estimate? i ordered mine around the beginning of May.
I did drop you a reply here but you probably missed it because it was in the early hours of the morning!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=254181.msg2334257#msg2334257
Give me about 10mins and I'll check now and give you my best guess. Gotta remember a couple of things though.
Firstly, even similar orders seem to get very different estimated BWs. For now we can only assume the ones getting far off BWs are going to be brought forward. I'm trying to get some frank answers from VWUK on how reliable the estimates are and if we should be assuming they will come forward or not, but it probably will be a week from now until I next speak to them.
Secondly we don't actually have many confirmed BWs and going off the estimates is tricky, as even if they all line up we're still not sure how well they equate to the confirmed BWs as we dont have enough data yet.
ok cheers Bear i did fill in ur survey twice but as i said i only had the order number so i dnt no how much that can help u get an estimate.
ok cheers Bear i did fill in ur survey twice but as i said i only had the order number so i dnt no how much that can help u get an estimate.
Hmm, tough one. The nearest order to yours that has a confirmed build is two weeks earlier than yours and due to be built probably last week of June or first week of July. So my best guess is mid July build and not in the UK until August. However, there are so many factors that could be at play such as how many ordered at the dealer you used? Does ordering 2 weeks later put you only 2 weeks behind or more? Can we trust the confirmed BWs are 4 weeks out from when confirmed? ... right now we don't have good answers to those questions, but we might get a better idea in the next few weeks.
In your favor you have no DSG and no other options picked. The lady I spoke to today about my order guessed that DSG is the biggest likely hold up, but I think she needs to do some digging to be certain of that... I'm unconvinced it really does cause a big delay.
Its too early to make confident guesses so please don't think I can tell you any more than VW can because until we learn a few more things I can't!
why havent i been given a build week date yet when i ordered my GTD at the beginning of May? :huh:
and sems everyone on here has? anyone help me?
why havent i been given a build week date yet when i ordered my GTD at the beginning of May? :huh:
and sems everyone on here has? anyone help me?
I ordered mine in April and have an estimated build week of 37 at the minute.
EDIT: 37, not 27!
If you've got BW confirmed on the website we're relatively confident that means the car will be built in about 4 weeks time. Did it just switch recently? So in this case I'd expect wk26. How long ago was the order placed? Seems odd they estimate Aug/Sept if the website had updated, unless they are being conservative. The caveat is that it's not clear how the wk22 update going on will affect this, they might be updating things further out than usual. If they are we could be seeing the start of many of us getting BW confirmed but the BW being more than the usual 4 weeks away. The website doesn't give a specific week unfortunately. You should have an order form from your dealer with the number on, in my case I had to sign and return it so I took a copy for my records. If you are BW confirmed now I can manually update your entry if it is obvious which one it is, I'll check tomorrow.
There are a few unknowns here. I'm expecting an email about my order from VW tomorrow and I think I will try to wring some info out of them on how this process works as it would make it a lot easier for all off us if we were confident of what things mean!
Hi Bill thanks for your reply I filled in all the details on your form, other than build week. The VW configurator changed to Build week confirmed on Monday of this week.
Hopefully this info helps you.
Thanks again :-)
Quick update, I received an email from my dealer today, saying he expected to have my car early August :-)
| Average week ordered | 17.1 |
| Average estimated build week | 31.9 |
| Average confirmed build week | 28.7 |
| Average from ordered to estimated | 15.2 |
| Average from ordered to confirmed | 13.2 |
Got a few more entries posted on the survey last couple of days so I thought I would update this thread with some more results:
Here are some averages (43 unique entries used, 33 with estimated, 6 with confirmed)
Average week ordered 17.1 Average estimated build week 31.9 Average confirmed build week 28.7 Average from ordered to estimated 15.2 Average from ordered to confirmed 13.2
So on average we might expect confirmed BWs 2 weeks ahead of the estimated ones. Have to be careful here as I think the variance is large, but haven't had time to calculate it. Sample size remains small, as ever.
Now if you split out only the 6 confirmed BW orders the average estimated BW was 17 and the average confirmed BW was 13.2... almost 4 weeks earlier than the estimated. However, I'm not 100% certain about using this as a couple of the confirmed orders had very poor estimates initially and they skew the data. Ignoring them puts the average improvement back to about 2 weeks.
I want to try to correlate dates with specific options to see which, if any, reliably change the lead time. I think it is hard to do though. DSG in particular, usually said by VW to give a delay, does not seem to have any affect on the wait. Possibly the sunroof... possibly.
I think we can safely summise now that there is no rhyme nor reason as to why some cars are built before others even though they may have been ordered later. I think this one is going to remain a mystery