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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ajmoir36 on 19 May 2013, 12:21
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Question is a metallic paint more likely to fair better than a solid paint? because its metallic is covered in lacquer.
I ask because I love Tornado red and my last two cars have been Tornado red but if I were to change I would possibly consider Carbon Grey.
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I suppose the question is in reverse?
If your last two cars have been Tornado Red, and if you are happy with the way the paint has faired and have no complaints in that regard, then you don't necessarily need the metallic paint to fair better? You just need it to be 'as good as'? :wink:
I suppose I'm splitting hairs!
Have you been happy with your tornado red cars? I ask as I have ordered my mark 7 in Tornado Red...
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Well I have to admit the mk5 tornado red faired a lot better than the mk6. I am really talking stone chips too.
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I think flat colours look better for longer, metallics and pearls take more looking after. The amount of dark shade metallics that I see on cars less than a year old look like pixies have been ice skating on them as soon as the sun comes out.
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Well I have to admit the mk5 tornado red faired a lot better than the mk6. I am really talking stone chips too.
The mk 6 paint was softer and lacked quality - I had far more stone chips on the 6 than on the 5 (and I had the 5 longer). I suppose we'll have wait & see what the paint quality is like for the 7 - if it's pants then it won't make any difference if its metallic or not.
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Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.
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Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.
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Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.
Correct Joe. Even white gets a clear coat. VW paint is supposed to be hard but heard quite a few people say the mk6 paint isn't. Haven't had any problems with the candy white on the tiguan.
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My Scirocco in Rising Blue has one large chip on the bonnet but nothing else noticeable. If I recall, whatever caused it made quite a thud on the bonnet. VW paint is relatively hard compared to Honda's, my mate's R type looks like someone has taken a shot blaster to it.
When did VW change to water based paints? Somewhere between MK5 and MK6 i'm guessing - water based paints of all types are generally softer than their solvent based counterparts. There are plenty of people who say solid colours get a lacquer coat but i've never seen any official conformation this is true. If it is, then why:-
1. Do metallics/Pearls cost so much more for just a bit of powdered Aluminium/mica in the mix?
2. Are they still called solid colours?
3. Do you get metallic touch up kits that come with base coat and lacquer, but the solid colours come with just the basecoat touch up pen? (I actually think you can buy a pair of pens with one being lacquer, but you can also buy the solid on it's own).
The lacquer coat of most paints and varnishes are solvent based.
I can see why they would put a clear layer on solid paints, for UV protection in preventing fading etc, but the old argument for metallic paint costing more than solid paint was the 2 coat process. I do think that metallic paint costs are a piss take and all the car manufacturers just charge what they can get away with. Would VW charge £250 for White if it wasn't in trend? VW Germany used to charge a little extra for Tornado red (about 130 Euros as I recall) and it just so happened to be a really popular colour over there. Now not only do they not charge for it, but they don't charge for pure white either whereas it costs us £250.
It does seem odd that you can't get any confirmation from official sources that solids have lacquer, maybe if they do confirm that solid paint goes through the same process as metallic paint then they'd also have to admit that metallic paint option is a rip off. I'm surprised it hasn't been asked of them why the UK pays £250 for pure white whereas every other Eurozone country gets it free if they choose it. They can't really justify "market differences" like why UK might get more standard spec than another country or like an option that is chargeable in all areas varies in price from zome to zone. A free option extra in one country should be a free option in all the other countries.
Checking out other Euro countries:-
Germany: All solid paints are free
Netherlands: All solid paints are free, Urano grey is unavailable
France: White is free, black and red are 260 Euros, Urano grey is unavailable
Spain: White and red are free, solid black and Urano grey are unavailable, metallics are 470 Euros
Portugal: All solids are free, metallics are 333 Euros
Austria: All solid paints are free, Urano grey is unavailable
Couldn't get Italy to work
There are some other oddities - you can only get 5 door GTD if you choose DSG in Spain.
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Pretty sure the solids are covered in lacquer / clear coat too.
I've found the candy white on my MK6 to be very resilient. Hardly a mark on it in 2 years.
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Not a single stone chip on my 59 reg Candy White MK6.
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When did VW change to water based paints?
In 1991 when the mk3 was launched :nerd:
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What's the age and mileage? Mine is Apr 2010/54700miles pebble dashed to say the least.
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The distance you leave between yourself and the car in front is a big factor don't forget, hence why BMWs get very pebble-dashed and they blame soft paint. :laugh:
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The distance you leave between yourself and the car in front is a big factor don't forget, hence why BMWs get very pebble-dashed and they blame soft paint. :laugh:
:evil:
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VW solids are most definaltely lacquered. Easy way to prove is to get some deep polish or t-cut and work a small area. If the cloth ends up with base colour on it, it's not lacquered, if the cloth is clear, it is lacquered.
I can assure you which one it will be :laugh:
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The distance you leave between yourself and the car in front is a big factor don't forget, hence why BMWs get very pebble-dashed and they blame soft paint. :laugh:
And instead of tarmacking the roads they throw stones one them, every year...EVERY year.
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The distance you leave between yourself and the car in front is a big factor don't forget, hence why BMWs get very pebble-dashed and they blame soft paint. :laugh:
Very true, but then again last night I was driving home and this white car shot around the roundabout behind me...was a GTI ED35. Now, because I was in a lowly Mk5 GTI, he saw fit to drive like I was towing him. Not sure who is worse here, but I decided to just hit the brakes a touch :grin:
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The distance you leave between yourself and the car in front is a big factor don't forget, hence why BMWs get very pebble-dashed and they blame soft paint. :laugh:
And instead of tarmacking the roads they throw stones one them, every year...EVERY year.
I've often gone miles out of my way to avoid driving on a recently pebble dashed road. I figure an extra 10 minutes on the journey is a lot less than the time spent fixing stone chips.
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The distance you leave between yourself and the car in front is a big factor don't forget, hence why BMWs get very pebble-dashed and they blame soft paint. :laugh:
And instead of tarmacking the roads they throw stones one them, every year...EVERY year.
I've often gone miles out of my way to avoid driving on a recently pebble dashed road. I figure an extra 10 minutes on the journey is a lot less than the time spent fixing stone chips.
I have also taken those kind of detours, or made sure I leave a massive gap between me and the car in front when it is unavoidable.
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Yup, roads like that are terrible, as are motorways in winter when you have a grit spreader in front of you! My tactic there, albeit slightly outside the law, is to wait for a lorry to go past on the inside lane, and then quickly pull onto the hard shoulder and use the lorry as a shield! :grin:
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I hear what you are saying about white cars. My previous Deep Black Pearl MK5 Golf, looked pretty poor after 3 years or so, with the black paint showing numerous hits in the front bumper and leading edge of the bonnet.
My current Candy Scirocco by contrast (approx 2½ years old and 20k miles), has pretty much remained stone chip free (except one small one on the nearside front a few weeks after delivery, but it was kicked up by a truck and was quite a stone - touched up immediately.
I hope my GTD looks this good after 2 and a bit years....
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I suppose at the end of the day it's how well the paint is looked after. No polish, wax or washing will mean less coats for a stone to get through. properly looked after paint will limit the amount of chips but not all.
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I suppose at the end of the day it's how well the paint is looked after. No polish, wax or washing will mean less coats for a stone to get through. properly looked after paint will limit the amount of chips but not all.
I'd have thought that if a stone is traveling at a rate and angle to cause a chip, it will take more than a few coats of soft wax to prevent it happening. Careful driving (and a good amount of luck) will probably help far more.
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From my own experience with a black magic seat Leon fr I was either lucky with stones or the fact I lavished it with washing and waxing love every weekend meant I had no stone chips in the two years I had it.
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I suppose at the end of the day it's how well the paint is looked after. No polish, wax or washing will mean less coats for a stone to get through. properly looked after paint will limit the amount of chips but not all.
I'd have thought that if a stone is traveling at a rate and angle to cause a chip, it will take more than a few coats of soft wax to prevent it happening. Careful driving (and a good amount of luck) will probably help far more.
+1 no amount of wax will prevent stone chips.
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I must just have been lucky then :huh:
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I think a lot of it is luck coupled with what roads you drive on, how close you follow cars in front, etc... but mainly plain luck. If a truck in front of you throws up a few stones, no amount of wax or polish is going to stop those stones pebble dashing your bonnet!
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I must just have been lucky then :huh:
Of course! Wax might affect "some" very light stones that skim over the surface, but that's it. Driving down a motorway, if you tailgate and the car in front kicks up a stone that you drive into, that's your own fault for driving so close. However, if a car on the other side happens to kick a stone over into oncoming traffic and it hits your car, that's just being in the wrong place at the wrong time - a few mph faster a mile down the road and it could have been the car behind that got it! :grin:
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My windscreen was taken out by a stone from a passing car on the other side of the road. Just unlucky. Was trying to figure out the best way to treat them the other day.