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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: domrees on 14 May 2013, 09:01
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Been reading the various threads on the forum for a few weeks now. (Including the one about ACC).
Really in 2 minds whether to add ACC. Would I notice the difference? Roads round me are pretty poor but it is not as if the std suspension would not be any good.
It's a shame nearly all press reviews had ACC fitted, and no one has tested the car without it.
What I don't want to do is pointlessly waste £800 when it is not really necessary...
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Welcome Dom :smiley:
I'm gonna contradict myself here and say add it. I notice you have gone for the PP spec GTI so I'd say if you can stretch to it, then add it. It wouldn't be a pointless £800 addition. Apparently the new ACC (v2) is supposed to be even better than the version I run in my Scirocco. Your new GTI would be the complete car then. It's like having three cars in one (soft, normal and angry :evil:).
I'm slightly regretting not speccing it on my GTD. Only because people have said the standard suspension set up is on the firm side. Gonna have to live with that now as there's no way I'm changing my order at this stage (be Christmas before I took delivery).
Slight note of caution: just check adding ACC doesn't push your order back too much (if at all).
Hope that helps? Now go and look under then bed for that £800 :laugh:
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I think it's one of those things that you'll never miss if you haven't had it on other cars. I've had a MKV GTI, a MKVI GTD and a couple of other cars with "firm" suspension with no "ACC" fitted and I quite like the standard firm ride.
I've no doubt that if I did have ACC that I'd have it in normal/sport mode most of the time, therefore for me it seems like a complete waste of 800 bucks.
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Welcome, and I have to agree with H5O, although I have actually added it myself because it gives me the option of switching ride-comfort. Unfortunately you are not going to find many people who have driven identical cars back-to-back, in identical conditions, just one with and one without ACC. So, you'll naturally get conflicting views and opinions on how perceptively good/bad it is. By all accounts, the new ACC on the new GTI offers appreciable differences in ride-quality, from very refined in comfort, to tight and sporty if that's what you want. Personally I want comfort over sportiness most of the time. It's certainly something I value far more than the PP, where under normal road driving conditions it offers me practically no benefits. With ACC I'll benefit every single time I drive the car, no matter where or how.
What JoeGTI said about not missing it if you never had it is true. Same can be said for the LSD in the PP, and even the car itself - you can't miss what you never had. Ultimately only you know what you want the car for and how you will drive it.
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A nice freebie on the Scirocco, not worth £800 to me (maybe £400 tops). If someone wants the option of having GTI/GTD performance with 1.4SE suspension comfort then it'll be worth it to them. Rear passengers will be the biggest beneficiaries of improved ride comfort in "comfort" mode.
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The main (objective) thing I've taken from the reviews is that ACC allows you to change the way the car feels at the push of a button. The idea being it can be sporty or comfort, instead of always a compromise between the two. You can objectively say that is an improvement over the std suspension, but further comparisons are hard to make.
Originally I argued against PP (and therefore also ACC) as pointless additions you'll never really notice. However I caved and added both. Mix of reasons, partly for the handling of the LSD, partly for not wanting to 'feel' like I'm in a second class GTI (stupid I know).
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partly for not wanting to 'feel' like I'm in a second class GTI (stupid I know).
VW's marketing ploy has you hook, line and sinker. I wouldn't mind paying good money for options if they retained some appreciable value at trade-in time, but you're really buying them for you, and at those prices you've really got to want them.
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Thanks for the advice guys.
My dealer has said to not bother adding it. Having driven Sciroccos in the past I couldnt really tell the difference I have to say.
That said, it is supposed to be improved and adjusts individual dampers not just an entire axle.
Only one way to decide this...ask my 4 year old for her opinion... ;-)
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Not sure that is strictly true. I wanted these options but I needed convincing.
However, what is true is that they are getting me to pay over the odds because I'd rather pay now than regret later. E.g. that SatNav is what £1600? Ouch! But I really wanted a car with integrated sat nav so I paid up.
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However, what is true is that they are getting me to pay over the odds because I'd rather pay now than regret later. E.g. that SatNav is what £1600? Ouch! But I really wanted a car with integrated sat nav so I paid up.
You didn't need to pay £1600 for Sat Nav though - that "only" gets you an 8" screen, extra media features and better looking maps. You could save a grand and still have integrated Sat Nav, drop PP and you save two grand, and still have a car that drives really well, has Sat Nav, and the comfort you want from ACC... Just sayin' ;)
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I added the adaptive chassis control to my gtd. People have said dont bother including the salesman. Spec the car how you want it as you wont be able to retro fit it later. If you can afford it get it if not then dont. Ive never had it before on any of my cars and the way im looking at it is if its no good then i dont get it on the next car. Options are all a personal preference.
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I agree with whats been said re speccing options for yourself, it annoys me a little when people go on about not getting the money back come trade in or sale time, if YOU want an option and can afford it then go for it! It's your car for YOU to enjoy not worry about what you'll get at the end, if you can get some back then great but i wouldn't let it dictate whether or not i choose an option.
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Totally agree Jimble. We wouldnt buy anything if we were worried about re sale values and yes I know cars are slightly different but you are never going to make money on a mainstream car. You lose a couple of grand as soon as your backside is in the drivers seat. Spec it and enjoy it.
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Totally agree Jimble. We wouldnt buy anything if we were worried about re sale values and yes I know cars are slightly different but you are never going to make money on a mainstream car. You lose a couple of grand as soon as your backside is in the drivers seat. Spec it and enjoy it.
Amen to that guys :wink:
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I thought about it too, but to be honest I think if I had it, it would always just be in Sport mode, and I'm not sure I'd start fiddling changing it every time I was driving the car, so did not bother.
Dave
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I slightly disagree with looking at the resale value. I'm not company car funded so my car is family transport and dad's toy rolled into one.
I always keep an eye on the resale value as I'm not a big earner like most mk7 owners. I'm more of a low stress job and keeping living costs down type of person.
So to me resale value is very important. I accept I'm going to lose masses of money but you'd do that on a base model too and when you roll into the fact that my car is my main hobby too then you also accept that (unless you're a collector like my dad who can make money on stuff) hobbies cost money (and nagging from other half) and you reap the benefit in personal enjoyment. So to me it's a balance.
And I'd quite like ACC/DCC but not £800 like it.
How many different profiles and buttons to adjust do we need?
Profiles on the computer for steering and accelerator.
Profiles on the DSG.
Profiles on the suspension.
How about just concentrating on driving a fine car and letting the basic engineering do its job without having to decide every couple of miles that you want a different profile?
Choices are nice but you can have too many.
If the basics are good you don't need choices of driving style.
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I agree that the choice combinations can be too many if you drill down to each aspect. For me, it's just three, "Comfort, Normal and Sport" via a single switch near the gear stick, and it's hardly like I'll be switching between them every couple of miles. I get what you are saying though, but there's a reason why they are called options.
I don't earn a massive amount either, and with only one income to support us, I have to look at things longer-term, which is why I kept my current car for 8 years. Hope to do the same with this one, and yeah, for me, my car and my home entertainment are my hobbies. I get enjoyment out of them so that's where my "play" money goes.
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I'm not saying DON'T keep an eye on resale value all i meant was i wouldn't let it dictate a decision on an option i wanted, resale is very important and is the only reason i've been able to spec my car so highly this time round as like you i can't have a company car and don't earn a huge amount although i'm not destitute either. :smiley:
I think the best way to make a decision on ACC although won't be very accurate is to test drive a mk6 with and without.
I don't think too many toys is a bad thing as imo it keeps it interesting for longer. :drool:
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Well this car is going to cost me about the same as I earn pre-tax in a year so... :shocked: I guess my wife earns too though which is what is making it ok.
Anyway, I could drop ACC, PP and Leather, all of which are basically nice to have but at £3000 a total rip off really. However, odd thing, I'm making up the £8k or so I am short with a loan and I can get a nice APR at anything above 7k... I just checked with the bank and if I save 3k on the car and drop the loan to 5k the repayments stay about the same! :undecided:
Now, if the delivery is delayed until near October I will certainly need less than 7k anyway at which point dropping these 3 options saves me tons. But if I do that and the car arrives in August I'll be paying the same as I would have with these three options. :angry:
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ACC - Wouldn't be without it - had it on all 3 GTD's to date and it will be on me Mk7 as well!
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The MK7 is a different build to previous models so it would interesting to see opinions when everyone starts to receive theirs and particularly those moving from the MK6 - Those staying on standard Suspension, those going from standard to ACC and those going from ACC to standard?
My rationale for not taking the option was I am coming from an S Line Suspension Audi and have little doubt my suspension experience will be greatly improved - I am unlikely to mess with all the varying settings and very unlikely to use comfort very often with imagine it being in Sport mode 99% of the time - So all in I felt the standard suspension will be fine for me.
This rationale extends to the sound system, in that I have Bose in my present car, but given my experience of the standard stereo in previous model I feel it was an option, given it is a driving environment with regular passengers, that I have never got the upgrade value out of so then I am quite informed and assured in not taking the Dynaudio.
But I have gone for
Sat Nav (I have a decent one in the family, but I hate the wires the setting up, the mess! so did I need it as an option? no, but I wanted it for aesthetic and ease of use reasons.)
Climate Screen (Hate waiting for mist and if it does a job even on light ice I will be very happy, in fact option think going to like most)
Winter Pack (Imagine many would see this as a indulgence but wanted the heated seats as winters have been long in UK in recent years so all comforts can get!)
I agree fully on the options debate here, no one is right or wrong it is purely a personal thing on how feel on each one I certainly would never judge
This GTD gives me performance only 0.6 short of a MK6 GTi so it's pretty quick still in it's standard set up and with economy I desire also and the one thing that really swayed me from the Audi A3 was my option dilemma was very shortlived as everything else is standard :)
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Not seen much commentary on the standard lower sport ride but have found these reviews that mention standard suspension that provides a little assurance.
http://www.greenmotor.co.uk/2013/03/vw-golf-7-review-2-litre-gt-tdi-dsg.html
"I was particularly impressed with the GT’s ride, on its 10mm-lowered sports suspension. It manages to marry agility and control with a generous serving of softness and composure, in much the same way a skilled chef mixes flavour, scent, texture and presentation. It made for quite a stark contrast with another premium hatchback I tried recently that was a chilli-stuffed doner kebab in comparison."
http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/wheeldeal/2013/05/10/first-drive-the-new-vw-golf-vii-gti-in-st-tropez/
"Checking the DCC option box throws an extra Comfort setting to the mix. Not that you’re really buggered without it because, as it stands, the regular GTI rides with a supple grace, soaking up France’s rougher tarmac with little drama."
The consensus on the new A3 which is on same platform is the Sport and S Line on the 8V is significantly improved over the 8P and most who were going to delete to SE suspension when changing have now compromised with Sport and been quite complimentary from the difference they felt from their 8P experiemce.
My S line is dropped 25mm on an 8P and on most roads it is very good but significant ruts/potholes do have you feeling them and even with the Quattro 'fidgeting'
So at only 15mm on GTi/GTD and with the Audi guys comments and those supporting reviews I am thinking the ride would be the perfect adjustment for me personally in a little more forgiving on those holes but without loss of that on rails feeling get at present.
The proof as always is in the reality so like most suppose looking forward to reviews from those who lucky enough to receive first.
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Not seen much commentary on the standard lower sport ride but have found these reviews that mention standard suspension that provides a little assurance.
http://www.greenmotor.co.uk/2013/03/vw-golf-7-review-2-litre-gt-tdi-dsg.html
"I was particularly impressed with the GT’s ride, on its 10mm-lowered sports suspension. It manages to marry agility and control with a generous serving of softness and composure, in much the same way a skilled chef mixes flavour, scent, texture and presentation. It made for quite a stark contrast with another premium hatchback I tried recently that was a chilli-stuffed doner kebab in comparison."
http://blogs.timeslive.co.za/wheeldeal/2013/05/10/first-drive-the-new-vw-golf-vii-gti-in-st-tropez/
"Checking the DCC option box throws an extra Comfort setting to the mix. Not that you’re really buggered without it because, as it stands, the regular GTI rides with a supple grace, soaking up France’s rougher tarmac with little drama."
The consensus on the new A3 which is on same platform is the Sport and S Line on the 8V is significantly improved over the 8P and most who were going to delete to SE suspension when changing have now compromised with Sport and been quite complimentary from the difference they felt from their 8P experiemce.
My S line is dropped 25mm on an 8P and on most roads it is very good but significant ruts/potholes do have you feeling them and even with the Quattro 'fidgeting'
So at only 15mm on GTi/GTD and with the Audi guys comments and those supporting reviews I am thinking the ride would be the perfect adjustment for me personally in a little more forgiving on those holes but without loss of that on rails feeling get at present.
The proof as always is in the reality so like most suppose looking forward to reviews from those who lucky enough to receive first.
That first link is for a GT that will be nothing like a gti or gtd. The 2nd one mentions car net which we don't get as standard over here so not sure if that's even a euro spec car. I searched everywhere for a gtd/gti review with standard suspension but none out. I went for acc anyway.