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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: spikenipple on 07 May 2013, 14:01
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What a lovely surprise, my valver has failed the MOT on TWELVE points! :sick:
1. Coil needs securing (cable tied on as the retaining nuts behind the scuttle panel aren't fixed, so when you take it off you have to remove the whole panel to secure it on again nnhgnhg)
2. N/S rear shock has a serious fluid leak
3. ABS light not illuminating (because the bulb is unplugged, can't really afford to replace sensors...)
4. N/S steering rack gaiter split
5. O/S steering rack gaiter split
6 & 7. Steering rack insecure
8. O/S CV boot insecure
9. N/S rear wheel bearing has excessive play
10. O/S rear wheel bearing has excessive play
11. O/S rear subframe mounting point excessively corroded
12. Parking brake efficiency below requirements
So what I want to know is, how hard is it to get to the steering rack to 1) secure it properly and 2) change the boots?
Any tips on tricking the ABS light into playing nice for a day? :whistle:
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the mot has become stringent....apparently you cannot remove the abs unit
if it came with the car originally.. this makes no sense as there are a lot of cars without abs (my golf does not have it, but the passat does) the gaitors you can do yourself...but the abs will require checking the codes with vagcom and replacing what needs to be replaced plus the bulb... sometimes the handbreak can make life interesting...there is arecent post about abs so take a look...
easiest solution-next mk3 you buy make sure it does not have abs, electric windows, air conditioning and pre 1996 so not a rust bucket...my friend has a 1992 golf and the bodywork is better than on my 1997..
this will probaly be a cheaper solution in the long run..
you will then have less headaches and bigger bicep muscles:)
can't give advice about steering rack...dunno
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not sure if it will work but if you poke the abs bulbs back down there hole and find a car without abs or air bag and get the blank from there and swap it with yours there will be no area which should light up.
from what ive heard, as long as all the lights for abs ect light up and go out, it should pass.
if it looks like there is no where to light up nothing can light up and go out??
i may be very wrong tho
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a soon as the mot guy lifts the bonnet he/she will notice the abs unit
and then they will have to decide what to do next...so considering the multitude of faults already mentioned his mot guy was no very friendly...must of been halfords or quik fit :)
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I put a nicely cut bit of black insulating tape over an abs light on one of my old mk3's few years ago and it passed MOT :grin:
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I don't really know what to do about the ABS thing to be honest, I'll get VCDS on it later and find out if it actually has faulty sensors or if the bulb has been unplugged (by the previous owner by the way) for any other reason. The rest will be pretty easy to sort out but I'm not sure how awkward it'll be to sort the steering rack out.
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Steering rack boots are fiddly but quite doable on these without a ramp as i did both of mine for the MOT last year. If the rack is lose is guessing the mounting bush is knackered.. which is an arsehole to change from what I've read.
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Well, bugger. I was hoping it was just a couple of bolts or something :whistle:
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are you missing this point??
11. O/S rear subframe mounting point excessively corroded
I would look into that first, It may only need a patch but knowing mk3's it could be major!
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I loved growing up in Ontario, Canada..if you never sold the car to someone else it never needed an equivalent of a MOT and this is still true today...hence no yearly MOT!
Here's the rule in Ontario:
What is a Safety Standard Certificate (SSC)?
An SSC is a certificate that is issued by a government- approved Motor Vehicle Inspection Station (MVIS) after a vehicle passes an inspection. This inspection covers the minimum safety requirements for vehicles in the province of Ontario.
When do I require an SSC?
An SSC is required when:
registering a rebuilt motor vehicle;
transferring a used motor vehicle to a new owner as fit;
registering a motor vehicle in Ontario that was previously registered in another province or country;
changing the status of a vehicle from unfit to fit.
And do you think there are any more accidents or unsafe cars on the road in Ontario, Canada?
Thank you Big Brother..for taking £50 some odd quid every year just to tell me that my car is safe to drive..
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are you missing this point??
11. O/S rear subframe mounting point excessively corroded
I would look into that first, It may only need a patch but knowing mk3's it could be major!
At least it's easy to get to :D
Turns out the bloke at the garage wrote points 6&7 wrong. The failures were about the gaiters, not the rack. So far i've secured the coil, fitted new clips on the rack gaiters (they failed on very minor splits where the clips go, said he'll pass it with new clips) and fitted a new clip on the O/S CV boot. Onto the ABS, bearings and rust next! Current MOT runs out on Friday so i'm cracking on :)
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are you missing this point??
11. O/S rear subframe mounting point excessively corroded
I would look into that first, It may only need a patch but knowing mk3's it could be major!
I was about to say the same thing until i read your comment, this is far and away the biggest potential ballache, everything else is straightforward.
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Having had a good look at the rear subframe mounting points, I can safely say that they are not excessively corroded at all. They have some surface rust, yes, but there's no flaking metal, holes or other serious corrosion-related damage.
The furthest offside mount for the rear bumper, on the other hand, is f**ked. Time to get the Mig out.
I'll call the bloke tomorrow and have him describe exactly where the excessive corrosion is.
Edit: Just the ABS, corrosion and rear shocks to do now, everything else is sorted.
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I put a nicely cut bit of black insulating tape over an abs light on one of my old mk3's few years ago and it passed MOT :grin:
found a mk3 like this at my local scrapyard, clearly didnt work for them :grin:
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My ABS unit is playing up and I think it’s the ECU… not sure what I’m going to do about my MOT yet. Its an intermittent fault and have a few choices…
1) Airbag only light from a CL so no ABS light = no fail
2) Run the ABS LED off the airbag LED
3) Just hope it’s cooperating at the time
4) Get someone to fix my ABS ECU! This is preferable but I’m on holiday for the next few weeks so might not be an option.
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Perhaps you should clean your car more often spike! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ABS sensors are cheap (approx £12) but you need to get a Vag Com check to see which one it is. Also a pig to do as I usually end up smashing them out!
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Every one I've ever done has needed to be smashed out and the hole cleaned out with a burr bit. Quite often iI've had to lightly sand the outer casing of the new sensor as well.
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Perhaps you should clean your car more often spike! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ABS sensors are cheap (approx £12) but you need to get a Vag Com check to see which one it is. Also a pig to do as I usually end up smashing them out!
I'll have you know my car is immaculate(ly filthy) :lipsrsealed:
Just had a look on ECP, it's about £22 for each sensor before the forum discount. I'll get the cable on it later.
The rust failure is a small hole in the front of the driver's side rear wheel arch, within 30cm of the subframe mount so a failable fault. Should be pretty simple to patch up.
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rust is the nail in the coffin for mk3...cheap Russian steel....but it was good enough to win WW2...:)
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Had a good old poke about this evening. On first inspection it didn't look too bad, but then I removed the sill trim and some of the waxoyl and starting poking some more and found this...
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..then I removed the arch trim and found this...
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...and this is what came off of the car...
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So I'll cut it back and weld some new steel in there over the next few evenings. Fun.
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I can hear the worms from here :grin:
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At least there's something left of your outer arch...mine fine fell to pieces when I took off the arch trim. At least it made rolling what was left of it flat pretty easy. Quick bit of hammerite and stuck the trim back on. Will get round to sorting it properly one day!
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PS Where abouts in Wiltshire are you? If you're handy with a welder I could do with some help patching my sills...
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Not far from you! :laugh:
Good luck with that welding mate!
If that is what one arch looks like you can bet the others are the same!
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I'm only in Trowbridge Callum. I work in Bath though! I haven't done a great deal of welding before (only little bits and pieces here and there) but I have all the kit, and now I have something to practice on! Would be happy to help you out once i'm happy with what I can do :smiley:
Len I don't know if you saw it but I already have a different wing fitted on the n/s as it fell apart driving down the A303 last year :grin: so yeah you're probably right! The n/s rear wheel well is in much better condition however, or at least where I can see!
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Thank you that would be great! I've never done any welding and would really like to learn but it's all a bit daunting!
As for the arches, I found my OS rear was an anomoly....the NS was absolutley perfect, not even any bubbling, and both the fronts were fine except a bit of flaky paint on the lips, but no rust!
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First things first, I ran out of shield gas pretty much straight away :embarrassed:
Slag everywheeeeere (much like Trowbridge)
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So this weekend I've been sorting the ol' worms out.
After taking the metal back further I ended up with this
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0873_zps6e4901ce.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0873_zps6e4901ce.jpg.html)
and the back of the sill was shagged so I decided to cut part of the sill back
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0871_zps98237eb9.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0871_zps98237eb9.jpg.html)
and welded in a new section I made up (partly tacked on in the picture)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0874_zps2d3334fb.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0874_zps2d3334fb.jpg.html)
I made up and tacked in the new section in the wheel arch
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0876_zps58ef2c04.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0876_zps58ef2c04.jpg.html)
and have finished welding it in, treated it and am letting the treatment dry so I can paint it and waxoyl it tomorrow.
When taking the sill trim off I also found this (just below the back of the driver's door)
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so I'm going to cut that out and weld a new section in.
Stripped some paint back on the wheel arch and chucked some Kurust on it.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0881_zpsb86fa65d.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0881_zpsb86fa65d.jpg.html)
Should have the welding finished tomorrow night so next I'll get the VCDS on it so I can sort the ABS out. Will buy new sensors if needs be. I'm hoping my shocks will turn up tomorrow or Tuesday so I can get onto them and get the retest booked in.
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That is one big job there spike!
Slap a lot of underseal on that! :laugh:
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All welded in and sealed!
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0885_zps809c670c.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0885_zps809c670c.jpg.html)
Put some anti-rust primer on the external metal and arch so I'll rub that down later and spray it.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/Spikenipple/IMG_0887_zps5a32b223.jpg) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/Spikenipple/media/IMG_0887_zps5a32b223.jpg.html)
My shocks turned up today too so I'll get those swapped over tonight/tomorrow, then it's just the ABS to do!
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My shocks turned up today too so I'll get those swapped over tonight/tomorrow,
thats good to know, I can't check on delivery status at work!
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The only trouble is I haven't finished machining my spring compressors yet and my old man CBA to look for his :undecided:
I'll at least be able to get the existing shocks out tonight anyway, I'm only doing the rears for now.
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The new rear shocks I have (FK Sport) feature an M12 thread whilst the Konis I've taken off are M10, so I need new top mounts. Can anyone tell me which size is standard please?
I plugged the ABS light back in and it stays on so there's definitely a fault, time to get this stupid VCDS working!!
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The new rear shocks I have (FK Sport) feature an M12 thread whilst the Konis I've taken off are M10, so I need new top mounts. Can anyone tell me which size is standard please?
I plugged the ABS light back in and it stays on so there's definitely a fault, time to get this stupid VCDS working!!
I used o.e top mounts (from tps) when they were fitted on mine (b.t.w koni make the fk shockers)
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I have spring compressors! :whistle:
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I've made some now, they do the trick just lovely. Thanks though!
I forgot to look at the pitch of the M12 thread last night and brought home some M12x1.75 nuts which don't fit. Will have to make some M12x1.25 nuts tomorrow instead :whistle:
As tomorrow is the last day of the 10-day retest fee, I rang the garage and told them that it won't be ready in time so they'll do the new MOT for £25, result :cool:
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Got my new VAGCOM cable today which works! It's showing both left ABS wheel sensors (codes 283 and 290) as faulty so I've cleared the codes and will take it round the block and check them again. Finally some progress!
Everything else has been sorted on the car so once these are sorted it can go back in for it's MOT.
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I remember one bodge for an ABS light I've seen is an LED with a resistor put on the aitbag light wires and placed loosely behind the ABS light screen hence they both lit of for a few seconds and then went out. :grin:
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Haha now that's smart! My car is a non airbag model though :sad:
Took it for a spin after clearing the codes and only the rear left is showing a fault now. The codes were last cleared a year ago so I'm not sure if the front left was an anomaly at some point or if it simply hasn't thrown an error up yet...
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Haha now that's smart! My car is a non airbag model though :sad:
Took it for a spin after clearing the codes and only the rear left is showing a fault now. The codes were last cleared a year ago so I'm not sure if the front left was an anomaly at some point or if it simply hasn't thrown an error up yet...
Change them, dont need spazzy abs pedal when braking into a roundabout stopping at a crossing :smiley:
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Passed today, finally :whistle:
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