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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: master_hayabusa on 01 May 2013, 13:19
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At last.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/63832/vw-golf-gti-review
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It seems this sums up the PP or no PP debate:
Performance Pack - which let's you use more of the power more of the time.
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Nice find!
So basically....
"For the ultimate experience though we'd spend an extra £980 and go for the Performance Pack - which let's you use more of the power more of the time"
....get the PP! :laugh:
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We'd take the time to setup your 'Individual' preferences though because while the suspension never feels too firm in Sport mode, the DSG holds onto gears for fraction too long
So basically in individual i'll set the gearbox profile to 'normal' and save on some fuel ;)
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Thanks for the link. I'm so glad they didn't say the standard car was the poor cousin don't buy a GTI unless you spec the performance pack. Good to hear the standards breaks are up to the task :-)
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Thanks for the link. I'm so glad they didn't say the standard car was the poor cousin don't buy a GTI unless you spec the performance pack. Good to hear the standards breaks are up to the task :-)
The ED30 and 35 had more power than the standard mk7 GTI and also the PP GTI and had the same 312mm brakes and they worked fine.
I'm sure the 312mm brakes are just fine in a country with a 70mph speed limit.
Having had traction issues with several remapped Golfs it's the diff that has sold it to me. The R32 brakes are just the icing on the cake, otherwise I'd have either bought a GTD or just kept my mk6 which at the end of the day is a car I'm very happy with and has been tailored to me perfectly.
The non PP GTI will be a very very good car in its own right. The PP just adds another dimension for those of us that want a little bit more out of out GTIs and previously had to go aftermarket or better still the PP will enhance aftermarket additions...
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Yeah I think I made the right call for my driving style! 1k saved time to buy a new Mac Air :smiley:
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Does the gti in the article have adaptive chassis control fitted? if it has then it's not a review of a standard car. it mentions it as an option but then the pictures also are of the driver profile screens.
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Yeah I think I made the right call for my driving style! 1k saved time to buy a new Mac Air :smiley:
Nah, Macbook pro! Got more power and has a disc drive!! :lipsrsealed: :evil:
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Does the gti in the article have adaptive chassis control fitted? if it has then it's not a review of a standard car. it mentions it as an option but then the pictures also are of the driver profile screens.
The driver profile settings are standard, it adjusts the steering and throttle response etc, it's only when you add ACC that it also adjusts the suspension.
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yes but is the car in the article fired with acc?
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yes but is the car in the article fired with acc?
I don't think it is otherwise it would have shown in the price and options at the bottom of the article.
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that's fine. every other review has had the car fitted with acc and every reviewer has said you must get this option.
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Interesting that he says 'standard car of more interest to die hard gti fans'.
Pp not for purists?
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Only thing that's worrying me a little, is it looks like it doesn't have the Colour DIS that we were all told by VW the GTI and GTD's would have (unless this is an early dealer prototype model) ?
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Interesting that he says 'standard car of more interest to die hard gti fans'.
Pp not for purists?
And yet it's a DSG ;) ? Would have though if it was for die hard fans it woulda been a manual
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Only thing that's worrying me a little, is it looks like it doesn't have the Colour DIS that we were all told by VW the GTI and GTD's would have (unless this is an early dealer prototype model) ?
Left hand drive, different market. Well at least I hope!
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The standard car was never going to be a poor performer relative to its PP cousin, so it'll be interesting to see how people justify PP either way based on a review that says it's good without it, but better with it!
Interestingly I spoke to a guy at a clients site I was at today, and he likes his cars. When I told him about the LSD being part of the PP, he said its a no-brainer. He swears by cars with LSD and wouldn't have one without now. He may not be representative of the car-buying public, but was interesting to hear his take on things.
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Only thing that's worrying me a little, is it looks like it doesn't have the Colour DIS that we were all told by VW the GTI and GTD's would have (unless this is an early dealer prototype model) ?
That is the colour one mate it's just not a great picture, the little picture of the car on the compass wouldn't look anywhere near as fancy if it was the boggo one methinks??
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Interesting that he says 'standard car of more interest to die hard gti fans'.
Pp not for purists?
He's just talking sh!te!!
The GTI has evolved over the years and so have the drivers.
When VW lost the plot in the 90s the GTI purists moved away and came back in 2005, the game had moved on by then.
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I think the car must have adaptive chassis control fitted, as in one of the photos it clearly shows the driver profile modes, and the first one is "Comfort" which is only there if ACC is fitted.
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Didn't it have the pro nav installed as well? Seems to be me like apart from from the lack of PP, the car is far from standard. OK, nav doesn't affect performance and handling, but DCC does.
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The first and best piece on a non-PP Mk7 was by George Karcher in recent CAR mag. It's a bit misleading of VW & the press to make all these comparisons between PP & standard cars. The only thing to settle it would be a real road (non-track) back to back test between a PP and standard with otherwise identical spec.
Karcher was mightily impressed with the non-PP car, that's all.
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There I another review of a non PP car on the Top Gear Website.
It still says its a very good car without, but they would spec it of course.
Dave
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The first and best piece on a non-PP Mk7 was by George Karcher in recent CAR mag. It's a bit misleading of VW & the press to make all these comparisons between PP & standard cars. The only thing to settle it would be a real road (non-track) back to back test between a PP and standard with otherwise identical spec.
Karcher was mightily impressed with the non-PP car, that's all.
And you can't tell them which they are driving until after they've done the test and given their opinions! If you do confirmation bias may (will) invalidate the results.
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Inevitably this means virtually all car comparisons are of a subjective nature which we are all well aware of, so perhaps I'm being too keen here and should just let them get on with giving their opinion and then treat it as just that! :embarrassed:
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But the whole point of the review is it says it is normal gti meaning to me standard with no extras. if its got dcc or acc then the article Is misleading as its not a standard gti. its quite annoying that VW give all the test cars for reviewers with virtually every option box ticked when in the real world not every one can afford to do this. standard to me is a car with no extras at all.
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Inevitably this means virtually all car comparisons are of a subjective nature which we are all well aware of, so perhaps I'm being too keen here and should just let them get on with giving their opinion and then treat it as just that! :embarrassed:
You hit the nail on the head there. The problem is, you will seek to find reviews that tell you what you want to hear, and interpret things one way or the other to justify things to yourself. It's the same regardless of whether it's a car, games console or whatever - the more time you spend on forums, and the more reviews and comparisons you read, the more confused you become and less satisfied with what you originally thought you wanted. It's just the way we humans are, to more or lesser degrees! :grin:
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http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/first-drive-the-new-golf-gti-2013-05-01 (http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/first-drive-the-new-golf-gti-2013-05-01)
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http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/first-drive-the-new-golf-gti-2013-05-01 (http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/first-drive-the-new-golf-gti-2013-05-01)
That's a nice review.
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No its not a nice review! Once again a supposedly standard car has the 'optional' acc fitted!! Its just a regurgitation of other reviews with the same car! Why can't someone just do a standard car review?
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Well it was a nice review in the sense that his opinion was very 'understanding'.
The journos only get what VW plonk in front of them.
VW will have had their testers drive the competition's cars (ST, VXR etc) before releasing their cars to the press for review so will want the best specs to make the GTI feel better than the competitors.
The last thing they want is the journos just saying "Meh, just another GTI"
The best person to wait for a review from will be Neil Birkitt in VW Driver mag but even he will have had to review what VW give him to write about.
I'm putting my trust in the fact the non ACC/DCC car will be fine. One less thing to have to worry about adjusting.
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http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/first-drive-the-new-golf-gti-2013-05-01 (http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/first-drive-the-new-golf-gti-2013-05-01)
The remarks about the XDS+ system give me a lot of encouragement about driving with it on the GTD :grin:
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Well it was a nice review in the sense that his opinion was very 'understanding'.
The journos only get what VW plonk in front of them.
I totally agree with exonian its just annoying