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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: mk7gti on 23 April 2013, 17:38
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was 44 when the order went in - could be about 50 by the time VW pull their fingers out with the specs and build dates...
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27 - Wanted a Golf GTI since a wee nipper and ad to 'make do' with a Scirocco :whistle:
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37 (27 in my mind :laugh:)
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25 :-)
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not 60 but approaching it
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17 and a half. I know, I know but my dad's insuring the car for me.
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17 and a half.
Get out, just get out! :grin: :laugh: :grin:
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39 when order placed
40 now
17 again when car arrives :grin:
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17 and a half.
Get out, just get out! :grin: :laugh: :grin:
Hahahahaha! Just messing with ya. Times 2 more like it.
35 years young.
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Ha ha! It wasn't the 17 and getting a GTI but that got me, it was just the 17 bit - made me feel old!!
Best thing about a GTI though is makes us old fellas feel young again! :laugh:
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Ha ha! It wasn't the 17 and getting a GTI but that got me, it was just the 17 bit - made me feel old!!
Best thing about a GTI though is makes us old fellas feel young again! :laugh:
Haha, it's the socially acceptable car for our age group! :grin:
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24. Getting old now and need something grown up.
Done the rs clios and corsa vxrs. Want something classy now :)
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Cough...cough. 49 and 3/4 (not 50) :cool:
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40.... & possibly a bit more!!
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32... but i'm cheating as it's a GTD
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35. Was turning 30 when I got my first - a MKV.
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When I had my mk1.
More than double that now...
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im 38, hopefully get it before my 39th
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I win so far 52 and 354 days
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34. Will Provide Car History as well for some perspective:
19 Years Old - Mazda 626 GLX
20 Years Old - Vauxhall Calibra V6
22 Years Old - Another Calibra V6
25 Years Old - Vauxhall Astra Coupe Turbo
30 Years Old - Porsche Boxster S (987)
31 Years Old - VW Scirocco 2.0 TSI
34 Years Old - VW Golf GTI MK7!!
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46 and going the oil burner route for the first time! (i.e. GTD!)
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I'm a little surprised that I seem to be under the average age going by this thread. But then this isn't exactly an independent sample.
I guess most in their twenties are going for used mk5s right now?
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40 (41 by delivery time)
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21 :huh:
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39, hoping it arrives by dec as a 40th present !
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26 at the min, looking like 27 before I get my hands on it though!
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37 :cry: :cry:
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45 now - 108 by the time my GTD arrives ! :wink:
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39 , the big 40 end of oct , will I see my gti before then ! Who knows . .
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100 minus 50 plus 10 :whistle:
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44 in October and yes I'm hoping the GTI arrives in time to celebrate in style!! :laugh:
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46 for my GTD
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66 :sad: someone please be older.
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40 year old in a mid-life crisis... I'm hoping the GTI purchase will smooth over the pain :sad:
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Hey Bill we need one if your fancy pie charts plotting for this tread :laugh:
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Blades 72 - hey fellow Lincolnshire lad!
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37 :cry: :cry:
Me too :cry:
Is there anything that we don't have in common?! :grin:
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real age 42
mental age 21
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37 :cry: :cry:
Me too :cry:
Is there anything that we don't have in common?! :grin:
It appears only colour choice Mark :grin: :grin:
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Hey Bill we need one if your fancy pie charts plotting for this tread :laugh:
Had to partially guess a couple where you guys were vague! :grin:
And do we really have a 21yo here? I'm not sure if that was an answer or a comment on a previous joke... I left him in though.
(http://i.imgur.com/BEVMMv9.png)
The mean is 38 and the SD is 10.
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Nice one Bear! Yep, that's me, Mr Average! :grin:
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Thanks for that Bill. We love your pie charts 'n graphs :smiley:
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Nice work Bear!
And I'm a year under the average BOOM! :laugh:
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Bear - you have WAY too much time on your hands :grin:
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Think I might have answered this before though :cool:
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27 with a GTD on order here
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...And do we really have a 21yo here?...
Yes I really am 21. Probably the only person born in the 90's to order a mk7 :P
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48. Surprised at how many young ones can afford one... :whistle:
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48. Surprised at how many young ones can afford one... :whistle:
Was thinking exactly the same thing. All I could a afford at 21 was a sh*t heap Rover Metro.... wait for it... in beige :sick:
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48. Surprised at how many young ones can afford one... :whistle:
Was thinking exactly the same thing. All I could a afford at 21 was a sh*t heap Rover Metro.... wait for it... in beige :sick:
All I had at 21 was a push bike :whistle:
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By the way, just as a preemptive strike, my parents are not paying for it :P
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48. Surprised at how many young ones can afford one... :whistle:
Was thinking exactly the same thing. All I could a afford at 21 was a sh*t heap Rover Metro.... wait for it... in beige :sick:
All I had at 21 was a push bike :whistle:
Gotta have a pretty good job to afford one at 21... why aren't you getting on the property ladder eh GTI_Redpath? :whistle: Don't tell me you're rich enough to do that too! Seriously we don't want to hear that. :evil:
Anyway, its the insurance I'd be worried about. Enquired about getting a mk5 GTI when I was 23ish and most insurers told me point blank that they do not insure that car for anyone around that age, not for any price. :shocked: I didn't go to specialists but even so I hate to think what the premium would have been. That wasn't even brand new either!
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48. Surprised at how many young ones can afford one... :whistle:
Was thinking exactly the same thing. All I could a afford at 21 was a sh*t heap Rover Metro.... wait for it... in beige :sick:
All I had at 21 was a push bike :whistle:
Gotta have a pretty good job to afford one at 21... why aren't you getting on the property ladder eh GTI_Redpath? :whistle: Don't tell me you're rich enough to do that too! Seriously we don't want to hear that. :evil:
Anyway, its the insurance I'd be worried about. Enquired about getting a mk5 GTI when I was 23ish and most insurers told me point blank that they do not insure that car for anyone around that age, not for any price. :shocked: I didn't go to specialists but even so I hate to think what the premium would have been. That wasn't even brand new either!
Plenty of time to get on the property ladder. More interested in the gti :laugh: insurance isn't as bad. Well for my age anyways. 900 quid for a 10 month policy with elephant. 200 more than my current 1.4 ibiza
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Dirty oil money.
Insurance has come down with the illogical no 'sexism' rules.
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By the way, just as a preemptive strike, my parents are not paying for it :P
Lottery win :evil:
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I'm 25. I had the conundrum of whether to buy a 'sensible' car and save more towards a deposit, but screw that - you're only young once :evil:
My insurance is c£1,300 though!
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Insurance has come down with the illogical no 'sexism' rules.
Has it? I thought insurers were just going to use it as an excuse to shaft women as much as us men, rather than actually bring ours down a bit. Perhaps the young chaps like Mr Redpath should be campaigning for a no age-ism rule as well! Seems to have worked for employment law so why not insurance? They can't very well argue against it after the sexism thing. Either you are profiling the risk of an individual (and therefore by definition you are discriminating) or you are not... can't have it both ways.
Personally I think it is appalling the way young drivers are treated by insurance.
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By the way, just as a preemptive strike, my parents are not paying for it :P
Lottery win :evil:
Haha no somehow landed a really good job
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By the way, just as a preemptive strike, my parents are not paying for it :P
Lottery win :evil:
Haha no somehow landed a really good job
Good for you matey (lucky sod) :laugh:
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Insurance has come down with the illogical no 'sexism' rules.
Has it? I thought insurers were just going to use it as an excuse to shaft women as much as us men, rather than actually bring ours down a bit. Perhaps the young chaps like Mr Redpath should be campaigning for a no age-ism rule as well! Seems to have worked for employment law so why not insurance? They can't very well argue against it after the sexism thing. Either you are profiling the risk of an individual (and therefore by definition you are discriminating) or you are not... can't have it both ways.
Personally I think it is appalling the way young drivers are treated by insurance.
Yeh I definitely noticed a difference. It affects Gents under 25 the most as it is our cahones that put the premium up the most after our age. After 25 the influence of sex on the premium reduces and other factors start to increase.
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Insurance has come down with the illogical no 'sexism' rules.
Has it? I thought insurers were just going to use it as an excuse to shaft women as much as us men, rather than actually bring ours down a bit. Perhaps the young chaps like Mr Redpath should be campaigning for a no age-ism rule as well! Seems to have worked for employment law so why not insurance? They can't very well argue against it after the sexism thing. Either you are profiling the risk of an individual (and therefore by definition you are discriminating) or you are not... can't have it both ways.
Personally I think it is appalling the way young drivers are treated by insurance.
It tends to go down at 21 then at 25 again. I'm insurance almost halved when I turned 21. It's horrific when your 17. I couldn't get insured on a car when I was 17 cheapest quote was just under 5k for a 1.2. Ended up using dads car. Lasses at my school were getting 1 and a half grand quotes for the same car!
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37 and cheap as feck insurance! :tongue:
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By the way, just as a preemptive strike, my parents are not paying for it :P
Lottery win :evil:
Haha no somehow landed a really good job
Drug dealer?! :laugh:
I jest! Good for you, I had a Fiat Panda in bright green when I was your age!
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37 and cheap as feck insurance! :tongue:
39 and probably just as cheap here :wink:
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54, maybe add 1 by the time the car arrives!
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I don't think it's a case of not being able to afford the car itself. Most drivers 21 and under are insured out of the vehicle before it gets to that stage.
Unless you're prepared to fork out or you're on a fleet policy.
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28, probably 29 by the time it arrives...
Guess this thread shows the GTI appeals to all ages!
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Just turned 55. When I get it will feel like 25!
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37 here.
First motor was a Cavalier SRi (1990 model).
Best motor I've ever head. Getting a serious SRi vibe from my soon to be GTD!
(That means good :smiley:)
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77 and been driving GTI's and latterly Skoda Octavia VRS since giving up my Porsche 944 Turbo some 20 years ago.
Interestingly, if the 0-60 I've seen mentioned of 5.7 secs is correct, it virtually matches the 944
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Just turned 55. When I get it will feel like 25!
But you'll actually be 57 when you get it! :tongue:
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It is on the way albeit stuck at Emden and I'm sure it will knock 20 years of my age
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46 years young... obviously midlife crisis! and its my company car... lets see how many tyres i can get through :laugh:
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37. Car number 18, first Golf GTI though :smiley:
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37. My first ever GTI.......been a Golf fan since I was a teenager but never had he money to buy one. I came close a few times but always settled for a cheape option but ths time I am getting what I have craved for so damn long!!! I have to wait 3 more months and its harder than the 37 year wait :cool: :cool:
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37 (38 by the time it arrives), seems to be a popular age! Still fighting off the 3-box saloon times :smiley:
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Apropos the age question and my personal reply, my son has expressed the opinion that perhaps I am receiving
preferential treatment ( my car ,ordered 22/05, which is in transit) because of the dealers apprehension having noted my age!!
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Apropos the age question and my personal reply, my son has expressed the opinion that perhaps I am receiving
preferential treatment ( my car ,ordered 22/05, which is in transit) because of the dealers apprehension having noted my age!!
:grin: :grin: :grin: That's terrible, but it is funny :smiley:
I take my hat off to you sir. I hope when i'm your age i'm still ordering these type of cars. Fantastic!! :smiley:
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Given jrc193's age we need 'Bear' to update the graph :wink:
At 77 years of age shouldn't you be driving a Ford Fusion* :evil:
(http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w565/Gary_Monkey/Ford_Fusion_r_silver_zps5bcfe33e.jpg)
* Only kidding. It think its terrific you're buying at GTI at 77 yrs old.
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The thought never crossed my mind despite the fact that it is a well engineered car. I've always believed that sports cars and fast cars ,such as the GTI, are the safest cars on the road because of the overall engineering quality,responsiveness,agility and general ability to cope with most situations. I do hope I never reach the stage where I feel I have to trade down to a motorised zimmerframe.
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33 years old, bday in sept so hoping I'm still 33 when it arrives!!! Ordered mid may and was the first one my dealer had sold so fingers crossed.
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21 now getting the gtd mk7 had ml6 gti carbon grey xenons at 20
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Turned 37 on Monday - thanks for the socks kids :rolleyes:
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Turned 37 on Monday - thanks for the socks kids :rolleyes:
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34 now and GTI on order
30 when got the BMW 123 D
22 when got the Fiat Punto 1.2 that was run into the ground...proper nice motor :whistle:
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21 - Ordered a GTD
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Bloody hell. There should be a law that no one under 25 can drive anything over 150bhp.... its just not wise. Dunno how you afford the insurance either.
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Bloody hell. There should be a law that no one under 25 can drive anything over 150bhp.... its just not wise. Dunno how you afford the insurance either.
I know its not the GTI but you should see the age of some of the guys driving £50k plus TTRS on the TTforum. Half of them were ranging from 19 -25. As you say, how they could afford the car let alone the running costs was beyond me
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It's just not smart either.... I'm not just thinking safety here but you also want to ease yourself into cars not barge in with brand new powerful machines. Drive a banger you need to fix and look after for 5 years, don't spoil driving by starting out where few ever get to! I also suspect it doesn't do too well for the whole humility factor, but that's obviously down to the individual...
I'm probably upsetting a few of our younger friends so I'll shut up now.
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It's just not smart either.... I'm not just thinking safety here but you also want to ease yourself into cars not barge in with brand new powerful machines. Drive a banger you need to fix and look after for 5 years, don't spoil driving by starting out where few ever get to! I also suspect it doesn't do too well for the whole humility factor, but that's obviously down to the individual...
I'm probably upsetting a few of our younger friends so I'll shut up now.
Thing is though, if you could afford something like that at that age why wouldn't you? I'm not saying you should but why not??
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I can fully understand at that age wanting to have a really smart car if that's what your into but the smart thing is to be saving for a deposit for house if your still living with your parents. The end of the day a house is an asset and car aint
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I can fully understand at that age wanting to have a really smart car if that's what your into but the smart thing is to be saving for a deposit for house if your still living with your parents. The end of the day a house is an asset and car aint
I fully agree with this now i'm the ripe old age of 33 :P but all i wanted when i was 21 was an awesome car! And couldn't care less about a house! Shame i couldn't afford either but looking back now obviously saving for a deposit for a house makes more sense but i know full well if i could've afforded a dogs dangle berries car i would've got one no question! >:D
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Bloody hell. There should be a law that no one under 25 can drive anything over 150bhp.... its just not wise. Dunno how you afford the insurance either.
not everyone under 25 is a reckless idiot behind the wheel...
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Bloody hell. There should be a law that no one under 25 can drive anything over 150bhp.... its just not wise. Dunno how you afford the insurance either.
not everyone under 25 is a reckless idiot behind the wheel...
I know I'm gonna piss people off now but frankly, they pretty much are. Some realise it, some don't, some see it in their mates and take super care at all times and yet all are the same because they have no experience. When you are that young you think you know it and you think you can handle anything... you can't. After you pass your test it takes years to build the skill and experience. You may feel you are safe but you really are not. Hell, I'm still learning myself. Driving a vehicle with power is a really bad way to go about this process for multiple reasons. Really really bad. Your basically short cutting a vast amount of experience and knowledge you need.
But it goes beyond that really. When you start your first job you don't begin in the board room of a FTSE100 company. You need to start with something small and work up as you gain experience. It's for the benefit of the young lads as much as anything, that is the right and proper way to learn. Jumping into 200bhp with less than 5 years experience is bad for everyone, let alone 200bhp in a BRAND NEW car! Even if you are stinking rich and money is no object the wise thing to do is get about 10 years driving with all kinds of experience on the road and under the bonnet before you do that. For one thing you don't know your limits and until you do half a dozen different things that leave you thinking "oh sh!t that was close" you won't know them. You do not want to be finding these limits in 200bhp. It will make you feel invincible and then in a heartbeat you are anything but. Learn these things gradually or you won't really learn them at all.
Now I know the lure is strong, so strong it's likely every 21 year old who reads this is going to be fuming with anger and disregard everything I've said out of hand, I was the same! Believe me I wanted the nice car, the new car, the performance car. But it's just not good for you. I hope I don't meet these young chaps on the road in new GTIs because when I look back at myself, out of the 1000 or so 6th formers at my college I was probably the most mature sensible and careful one, and there is no way the me now would want to bump into the 18yo me... and that is in a car with less than 100bhp!
Sorry if I've offended anyone in this.
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Bloody hell. There should be a law that no one under 25 can drive anything over 150bhp.... its just not wise. Dunno how you afford the insurance either.
not everyone under 25 is a reckless idiot behind the wheel...
I know I'm gonna piss people off now but frankly, they pretty much are. Some realise it, some don't, some see it in their mates and take super care at all times and yet all are the same because they have no experience. When you are that young you think you know it and you think you can handle anything... you can't. After you pass your test it takes years to build the skill and experience. You may feel you are safe but you really are not. Hell, I'm still learning myself. Driving a vehicle with power is a really bad way to go about this process for multiple reasons. Really really bad. Your basically short cutting a vast amount of experience and knowledge you need.
But it goes beyond that really. When you start your first job you don't begin in the board room of a FTSE100 company. You need to start with something small and work up as you gain experience. It's for the benefit of the young lads as much as anything, that is the right and proper way to learn. Jumping into 200bhp with less than 5 years experience is bad for everyone, let alone 200bhp in a BRAND NEW car! Even if you are stinking rich and money is no object the wise thing to do is get about 10 years driving with all kinds of experience on the road and under the bonnet before you do that. For one thing you don't know your limits and until you do half a dozen different things that leave you thinking "oh sh!t that was close" you won't know them. You do not want to be finding these limits in 200bhp. It will make you feel invincible and then in a heartbeat you are anything but. Learn these things gradually or you won't really learn them at all.
Now I know the lure is strong, so strong it's likely every 21 year old who reads this is going to be fuming with anger and disregard everything I've said out of hand, I was the same! Believe me I wanted the nice car, the new car, the performance car. But it's just not good for you. I hope I don't meet these young chaps on the road in new GTIs because when I look back at myself, out of the 1000 or so 6th formers at my college I was probably the most mature sensible and careful one, and there is no way the me now would want to bump into the 18yo me... and that is in a car with less than 100bhp!
Sorry if I've offended anyone in this.
I do agree that learning respect for a car is incredibly important. I do also agree that it is vital to have a many crappy, slow, unreliable cars to learn how to drive properly. I also think it would be beyond stupid to get into a car thinking your safe and drive the nuts off of it the second you get in it but to say that ALL under 25's is just wrong. every person is individual. saying that is just ageism frankly, nothing more...
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oh and all the wreckless drivers are in ST's not GTI's ;)
Great, now I'm discriminating! haha
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25 and all the way from South Africa :cool:
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I agree with almost everything bill is saying but unfortunately you can't tar every bell end under 25 with the same brush. the majority yes but not all but saying that I don't think it's just a certain age group. what if your 40odd and just pass your test and get something powerful. are you better or worse than an under 25? I bet the insurance won't be much different and it still beats me how these young kids can afford proper insurance for st's, gti's, Scooby doos etc are they all fronting? are they even insured or do they actually pay the massive premiums?
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I think it completely depends upon the person. I'm by far the most sensible of all my mates, and always have been.
When I passed my test, I was chomping at the bit to get out in a car. I didn’t buy one immediately – I had access to my dad’s car. He had a works van and goes down “the club” (British Legion) most evenings for a couple of hours. As long as I was willing to give him a lift there and back, I had unlimited access to his car. I was given the impression that I would have to go out under my dad’s supervision a few times before he would let me loose with it on my own. For 2 weeks I harassed him about going out with him in the car and then finally he just handed me the keys and told me I could go out on my own. He probably just wanted me to get out of my system that “just passed my test, I am a great driver/I am invincible” buzz everyone gets when they first pass. He knew I was sensible enough to handle it. It was by no means a pootler. Unlike all my mates thrashing their mam’s Rover Metro, I was let loose on a 2.8L Ford Granada estate.
It is character building to start from nothing and working your way up through bangers you fix yourself etc to the good stuff, but a lot of it will depend on the person. Some people are dicks behind the wheel when they are young and grow out of it, some people will be dicks forever, some people will have their sensible heads on from day 1.
Everyone wants a nice car at 17, but not everyone is desperate to leave home (I was – it was a powerful motivator not to spend too much money on a car). If you’re happy living with your parents, financing a GTI/GTI probably isn’t going to break the bank (although the insurance might)
There is no waiting these days – buy today and pay for it tomorrow, how many people here are buying their car outright? Car finance has never been so accessible.
I think my sensibilities are shown in my car of choice – a relatively expensive car on paper which is not as expensive to run as most would imagine due to the excellent residuals. I get to run a £26k VW for the same price as running a £17k Ford/Vauxhall/Alfa/Renault etc. That is smart car buying as far as I’m concerned.
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I don't think you can label all youngsters as irresponsible as there are many out there who are very sensible. What I'm intrigued by (and I don't agree with MH on this) how do these youngsters afford these cars. Even living with my parents, there was no chance in hell at 21 I could have afforded a £27k car and that was with me out working at that age. I was running about in 2nd hand fiestas and Polos until I was 26 and even after that my first brand new car was a 1.6 golf Mk5 which cost about £16k I think.
These youngsters nowadays must be on huge salaries. Probably just jealous :grin:
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I don't think you can label all youngsters as irresponsible as there are many out there who are very sensible. What I'm intrigued by (and I don't agree with MH on this) how do these youngsters afford these cars. Even living with my parents, there was no chance in hell at 21 I could have afforded a £27k car and that was with me out working at that age. I was running about in 2nd hand fiestas and Polos until I was 26 and even after that my first brand new car was a 1.6 golf Mk5 which cost about £16k I think.
These youngsters nowadays must be on huge salaries. Probably just jealous :grin:
Depends how much they’re earning and how much their parents are taking off them in “board”.
Some parents maybe won’t take a penny off their kids. Maybe some parents will act as guarantors on the car loan or officially take out the finance themselves. An old work colleague did that years ago. His daughter at 17 was earning about £10k a year and wanted a new Peugeot 206CC. She got the car, had no other money to spend.
Some people would skint themselves to be driving around in a flash car – no holidays, no beer money etc. For some people, their car is their life.
What’s minimum wage now (22 years old and over, for the highest band)? About £12500 a year (£6.50 an hour on a 38 hour week)? That’s got to be about £950 a month take home pay considering most of the wage will be under the annual tax-free allowance. Taking into account no deposit and financing the depreciation only, plus interest, a GTD will be costing you about £400 a month and running costs.
There will be some people picking up minimum wage, living at home, paying next-to-nothing to their parents who are willing to spend £550 a month (+ insurance) on the overall package of running that car. I personally think they’re daft, but I do see it happening with some of the young apprentices at work having some of the better cars in the works car park.
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To answer some questions regarding insurance, I'm 21 and the insurance is gonna work out about 1000 for the year. Expensive for some but not too bad at 21
And I'm not skinting myself getting the car....
And my parents charge a hefty board rate unfortunatly :drool:
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I don't think you can label all youngsters as irresponsible as there are many out there who are very sensible. What I'm intrigued by (and I don't agree with MH on this) how do these youngsters afford these cars. Even living with my parents, there was no chance in hell at 21 I could have afforded a £27k car and that was with me out working at that age. I was running about in 2nd hand fiestas and Polos until I was 26 and even after that my first brand new car was a 1.6 golf Mk5 which cost about £16k I think.
These youngsters nowadays must be on huge salaries. Probably just jealous :grin:
Depends how much they’re earning and how much their parents are taking off them in “board”.
Some parents maybe won’t take a penny off their kids. Maybe some parents will act as guarantors on the car loan or officially take out the finance themselves. An old work colleague did that years ago. His daughter at 17 was earning about £10k a year and wanted a new Peugeot 206CC. She got the car, had no other money to spend.
Some people would skint themselves to be driving around in a flash car – no holidays, no beer money etc. For some people, their car is their life.
What’s minimum wage now (22 years old and over, for the highest band)? About £12500 a year (£6.50 an hour on a 38 hour week)? That’s got to be about £950 a month take home pay considering most of the wage will be under the annual tax-free allowance. Taking into account no deposit and financing the depreciation only, plus interest, a GTD will be costing you about £400 a month and running costs.
There will be some people picking up minimum wage, living at home, paying next-to-nothing to their parents who are willing to spend £550 a month (+ insurance) on the overall package of running that car. I personally think they’re daft, but I do see it happening with some of the young apprentices at work having some of the better cars in the works car park.
£950 gross for a 21 yr old on NMW
£1197 gross for NMLW
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Guys, just to be clear. I think a lot of people think I'm saying all under 25s are irresponsible and I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying they lack experience (which of course is also true for older drivers who start driving when they are old too, but is is true of every young driver necessarily).
What I said was that no matter how sensible or not sensible you are when you are 21 you don't have the awareness and the intuition that only experience brings. Its even worse in a powerful car because you also need to know what the bangers on the road can drive like. Yes, your brand new GTI with its disc brakes can bring you to a halt in record time, but what about that busted Citroen with the bald tyres? How will you take into account that cars performance if during your learning period (the 5 years after you pass) you get into a modern powerful car?
Even if as a young driver you never make any mistakes (and everyone makes many mistakes every single journey), thats not the point, other road users will make mistakes, frequently. It takes years of driving to have built up the knowledge of what might happen, what pre-emptive action to take, what to do if it does happen and what limitations you and other drivers have. Its not even just other road users, what about pedestrians? Half a second can mean the difference between hitting that child that ran out in the road and stopping in time. There are different road conditions to take into account, different mechanical faults, road layouts vary across the country, different vehicles behave differently, bikes behave differently, push bikes, pedestrians etc etc etc...
So I'm not saying everyone young is reckless, but no matter how careful you are its going to take years before you are an expert and that applies to every young person. I don't think (personal opinion) non-experts should be driving 200bhp cars. Sorry.
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I'm 21 and i'm picking my GTI up next week. I've owned fast cars in the past and driven a massive variety of different vehicles, most people i think drive more sensibly and carefully than older people do. Clean license, no bumps, 3 years NCB and insurance works out at around £650 P/A.
I've worked hard all my life and now run my own business, moved out from the parents house 3 years ago and set up life with my partner in our own home (rented at the moment) but looking to buy in the next year or so.
I think it massively depends on the type of person you are. There are many 21 year olds i know that i wouldn't even let in my car never mind let them loose with one!
J
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To answer some questions regarding insurance, I'm 21 and the insurance is gonna work out about 1000 for the year.
This still seems shocking. Are you fully comp and you are the primary driver? I was paying well over £1k for an old banger at 21! At 23 or something I asked my insurance about what it would cost to get me in a 2nd hand mk5 GTI. They said they do not cover anyone under 25 in that car. I called around. Best quote? £10k per year.
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I think the driving comes down to the individual rather than the age. I always had performance cars from 19 300bhp+ but respected the fact I was driving something a very dangerous weapon.
What does concern me as Bear has just mentioned is the insurance. I paid at that age stupid premiums. (The most ridiculous £3k). (I wasn't living at home I feel I should point out! :smiley: )
A friend of mine bought a new TT when we were 21, his Dad insured it with him as a named driver. On he second week he had he lost control of it, hit an oncoming car and the TT ended up on its roof written off.
The insurance company very quickly worked out he was in fact the main driver as he used it to drive to work and his Dad had his own car he used to drive to work, not paying a penny out to him or the 3rd party plus he ended up in court for dangerous driving AND driving uninsured. The driver of the other car sued him resulting in him having to take out a massive personal loan secured by his parents house which he was paying off for seven years.
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I think the driving comes down to the individual rather than the age. I always had performance cars from 19 300bhp+ but respected the fact I was driving something a very dangerous weapon.
What does concern me as Bear has just mentioned is the insurance. I paid at that age stupid premiums. (The most ridiculous £3k). (I wasn't living at home I feel I should point out! :smiley: )
A friend of mine bought a new TT when we were 21, his Dad insured it with him as a named driver. On he second week he had he lost control of it, hit an oncoming car and the TT ended up on its roof written off.
The insurance company very quickly worked out he was in fact the main driver as he used it to drive to work and his Dad had his own car he used to drive to work, not paying a penny out to him or the 3rd party plus he ended up in court for dangerous driving AND driving uninsured. The driver of the other car sued him resulting in him having to take out a massive personal loan secured by his parents house which he was paying off for seven years.
And that is why it is not work breaking the law! This story should be told in college's and University's around the country. Maybe it would teach people to slow down and not to try and "skimp" on insurance!
J
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Not everyone at 21 is working at minimum wage! And I've also learnt my lesson after ending up in a ditch in a 1.2 Clio and getting 3 points in my Polo! Basically I can't afford to loose my car as I need to drive for my job.
Basically the company won't let me drive a car more than 3 years old as they pay for it
Insurance for the GTD will be around £600 p/a.
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Age and experience both have a lot to do with it. I know young drivers who are very sensible and good drivers, and I know older drivers who shouldn't allowed on the road. Anybody who calls themselves an "expert" are just talking smack, unless they have the requisite training and qualifications to prove it. Otherwise we are all learning all the time, and that just means generally, older people have more experience of more situations, and hence tend to be safer on the roads, especially with higher powered cars. There are always exceptions though.
My insurance came out at just £211, which is purely a reflection of my age, where I live, and a lifetime of no claims.
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Agree with you Gryzor. No one is an expert when it comes to driving not even so called professionals.
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Agree with you Gryzor. No one is an expert when it comes to driving not even so called professionals.
Semantics.
A 21 year old is less 'expert' than someone who has 10 years driving under the belt. I'm saying that there is a minimum level of experience that you really need before you should be driving a car like the Golf GTI. How we define the word expert isn't relevant to that. Whether some older drivers should also not be driving a GTI isn't relevant to that.
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Some very valid points on both sides here. Good debate! Although I think you're all missing the main issue - its not younger people that shouldn't be in fast cars/on the road etc - its old f7ckers who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a vehicle! They are the danger, not anyone else! Compulsory driving test at 60, 65, 70 etc IMO.
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Some very valid points on both sides here. Good debate! Although I think you're all missing the main issue - its not younger people that shouldn't be in fast cars/on the road etc - its old f7ckers who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a vehicle! They are the danger, not anyone else! Compulsory driving test at 60, 65, 70 etc IMO.
Ah, but will you still think that in 30 years time? :whistle:
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Semantics.
A 21 year old is less 'expert' than someone who has 10 years driving under the belt. I'm saying that there is a minimum level of experience that you really need before you should be driving a car like the Golf GTI. How we define the word expert isn't relevant to that. Whether some older drivers should also not be driving a GTI isn't relevant to that.
I swing hot and cold on this. A new/young driver can cause just as much damage in an old 1.0 Polo Bluemotion as they can in a 2.0 Golf GTI. If they are so inclined to drive like an idiot, a few extra horses will only serve to bring forwards the inevitable. My cousin always had fast cars right from when he passed his test - never had a bump or scrape, because it's what he was used to. Plus, a newer, faster, better handling car is a safer thing to drive than a slower, older car with skinny tyres and fewer driver assists.
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I think part of the issue is the driving test itself. I'm not an advocate for making it harder par se, but there is no motorway driving, no skid training etc, and no fire department involvement in showing the aftermaths of a horrendous crash, built into the driving test (that I'm aware of ?). For all new drivers, the first time they do high speed motorway driving is after they have passed their test, and skid training the first time they loose control in the winter ice.
I agree to a point in what Bear is saying, however I've know 40 year olds with less common sense than a 16 year old, so think it does hugely depend on the individual. Perhaps better would be a tiered system like in some European countries, where regardless of a young person's ability to afford any car he wants (and the insurance), perhaps the HP of the available cars should be limited for the first 3-5 years of driving, slowly increasing in power if the driver has no accidents or points.
With regard insurance prices, well that's a tricky one. Insurance companies are no fools and will therefore charge what they think in proportion to the risk - hence young inexperienced drivers get charged more than old experienced farts like me. The problem with that, is if the insurance premiums get ridiculous, say £3-£5k upwards a year, with the resulting fines levied by the courts (or lack of them) for uninsured drivers, it would therefore be a gamble worth taking for some to run with no insurance, and take the risk of getting caught. Even if you are caught, a typical £250-£500 fine more than outweighs a £7k insurance cost. So I think insurance companies should take a fresh look at how they calculate their premiums, to avoid encouraging many people to take this gamble.
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26 but 27 by the time it arrives (March 14 Plate) :grin:
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To answer some questions regarding insurance, I'm 21 and the insurance is gonna work out about 1000 for the year.
This still seems shocking. Are you fully comp and you are the primary driver? I was paying well over £1k for an old banger at 21! At 23 or something I asked my insurance about what it would cost to get me in a 2nd hand mk5 GTI. They said they do not cover anyone under 25 in that car. I called around. Best quote? £10k per year.
Yes that's fully comp full fat insurance. Your talking like 21 year olds have came straight out of nappies and went straight into a Ferrari. Been driving over 3 year. Now that may seem like a laughable ammount to some and isn't anywere near as much as some but it is over 3 years in bangers. Not enough experience in bangers? Maybe, but in those three years, I have learned ALOT and came to respect cars. Paying this much for a car and knowing to also respect money there is no chance I will be driving beyond my limits.
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I think part of the issue is the driving test itself. I'm not an advocate for making it harder par se, but there is no motorway driving, no skid training etc, and no fire department involvement in showing the aftermaths of a horrendous crash, built into the driving test (that I'm aware of ?). For all new drivers, the first time they do high speed motorway driving is after they have passed their test, and skid training the first time they loose control in the winter ice.
I agree to a point in what Bear is saying, however I've know 40 year olds with less common sense than a 16 year old, so think it does hugely depend on the individual. Perhaps better would be a tiered system like in some European countries, where regardless of a young person's ability to afford any car he wants (and the insurance), perhaps the HP of the available cars should be limited for the first 3-5 years of driving, slowly increasing in power if the driver has no accidents or points.
With regard insurance prices, well that's a tricky one. Insurance companies are no fools and will therefore charge what they think in proportion to the risk - hence young inexperienced drivers get charged more than old experienced farts like me. The problem with that, is if the insurance premiums get ridiculous, say £3-£5k upwards a year, with the resulting fines levied by the courts (or lack of them) for uninsured drivers, it would therefore be a gamble worth taking for some to run with no insurance, and take the risk of getting caught. Even if you are caught, a typical £250-£500 fine more than outweighs a £7k insurance cost. So I think insurance companies should take a fresh look at how they calculate their premiums, to avoid encouraging many people to take this gamble.
I do agree that the tests are not fit for purpose. Personally I think it's better to fail the test as odd as it sounds. Gives you humility and almost forces you to learn everything you can. I think the attitude that after you pass your fully qualified doesn't help, because your not. Maybe different levels of licence would be a good idea. Think a lot can be learnt from Finnish 3 year driving tests
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Yes that's fully comp full fat insurance. Your talking like 21 year olds have came straight out of nappies and went straight into a Ferrari. Been driving over 3 year. Now that may seem like a laughable ammount to some and isn't any ware near as much but it is over 3 years in bangers. Not enough experience in bangers? Maybe, but in those three year I have learned ALOT and came to respect cars. Paying this much for a car and knowing to also respect money there is no chance I will be driving beyond my limits
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Good on you :smiley: youth is there to be enjoyed :smiley: (Sensibly of course!). Despite looking back at the huge insurance premiums at the time I wouldn't have changed having fast cars at a young age. Luckily came from a long family of car lovers, so they didn't worry that I was about to go out and kill myself or anyone else. So much so that at about 70 I think it was, my Grandmother dropped her car round to asking me to sell it for her as she was on her way to hand her license in. Said she'd spent most of her driving life being frustrated by "idiot OAP's" who shouldn't be allowed on the roads, and that now she didn't feel 100% confident driving on the roads she felt she should stop, rather than be dangerous or drive everywhere at 30mph.
The flip side to this however, is that it taught me to be a lot more patient with older drivers who drive slowly. Would rather they drove a little slower safely, then give up the freedom driving provides them to get out and do things (quality of life). But when you get those that can't drive safely at any speed then yes the driving license should be removed. I do think it should be necessary to have medical history and driving proficiency reviewed at old age, and yes I'll stick by that when I'm an age when I have to go through it if it happens.
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Mid 40s.
The people I have had commenting/drooling though have been from teenagers to 60 odd.
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26 - will be 100hp jump from my current mito but a fair bit heavier and wider
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21, should be 22 and a few days when I pick it up :smiley:
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21, should be 22 and a few days when I pick it up :smiley:
Welcome to the forum :smiley: what spec you getting?
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21, should be 22 and a few days when I pick it up :smiley:
Welcome to the forum :smiley: what spec you getting?
Thank you very much! 3dr, PP, Carbon Grey, Sat nav!
What about you?
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21, should be 22 and a few days when I pick it up :smiley:
Welcome to the forum :smiley: what spec you getting?
Thank you very much! 3dr, PP, Carbon Grey, Sat nav!
What about you?
Check out my signature pal :smiley: did you order from a dealership in Glasgow?
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21, should be 22 and a few days when I pick it up :smiley:
Welcome to the forum :smiley: what spec you getting?
Thank you very much! 3dr, PP, Carbon Grey, Sat nav!
What about you?
Check out my signature pal :smiley: did you order from a dealership in Glasgow?
Oh sorry that was me just being a n00b :embarrassed: I went to Cambuslang (messed me about), went to wishaw (couldn't get a test drive) so I ended up ordering from Stirling as I know some people that work there :wink:
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Good stuff. Nice choice of colour. The CSG is lovely. You should add your car details to the spec thread above :smiley: when are you collecting?
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Just turned 25, 3rd new car, all from VW; you would have thought I'd have learned by now :grin:
Tbf, this order is the first one where seasons have changed before I've even got a build week confirmation
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Good stuff. Nice choice of colour. The CSG is lovely. You should add your car details to the spec thread above :smiley: when are you collecting?
Just trying to get into this forum, I usually just lurk when I sign up!
I've been told January but I ain't heard anything official :undecided:
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Just turned 25, 3rd new car, all from VW; you would have thought I'd have learned by now :grin:
Tbf, this order is the first one where seasons have changed before I've even got a build week confirmation
I just keep telling myself "good things come to those who wait" :smiley:
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Just turned 25, 3rd new car, all from VW; you would have thought I'd have learned by now ;D
Tbf, this order is the first one where seasons have changed before I've even got a build week confirmation
I just keep telling myself "good things come to those who wait" :)
Thats pretty much the required mantra on here mate! ;)