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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: davemk4 on 20 April 2013, 11:09
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Im very happy with current set up of koni uprated shockers and 35mm h&r springs. But find chassis flex and roll quite obcious. My plans are to improve this issue without ruining the daily drive.
Thinks of
Upper front strut brace
Lower s3 brace
Rear anti roll bar
Boot brace
Would all this make a good difference?
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there the first things ide be doing. if after that I still wasn't happy ide be looking at things like middle chasis braces/unibrace etc
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Start with a front and rear anti roll bar as they make th biggest difference.
It's debateable whether the braces do enough to make a noticeable difference.
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Any advise on brands etc??
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Whiteline are a good choice and also eibach, h&r and weitec
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i have been looking at this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Whiteline-Front-Anti-Roll-Bar-For-Volkswagen-Golf-Mk4-1999-BAF13-/400403492052?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d39e86cd4
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You want bigger then that if possible
And you want to start by getting a rear one as it is what makes the most difference!
Then upgrade the front :smiley:
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Rears harder to find a thick one. Neuspeed do 28mm @£230 which fine 22/24mm seem more in 170 range. Take it thickest is best ?
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whiteline is a good RARB and much better fit than eibach
worth doing rear axel bushes with polyurethane if they are shot - made a big difference when changed mine which were fubared after 40k.
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Previous car club rated whitecline too. Id like to poly thecrear bushes but i know they a pig to do lol
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Yeah the thicker the diameter the less roll and more trackcarish it becomes
You wouldn't new 28mm on the rear but you want more than 22 on te front as that is the same as standard.
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That good to know. Ill get thickest possible as really wanna sort this roll out
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Ok I am being dead serious.
You have already ruined the handling off your car by lowering it.
Nothing you have suggested will rectify the problem.
You either need to install some h2 sport spindles, or return your car to standard suspension height.
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Ooooo the noob is dead serious :whistle:
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looking at how low your car is, your handling would be subpar aswell
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You mean my sig?? you see Cars do go quite low when you have 5 people in 2 surfboards, a 20kg tent and a weeks worth of camping stuff :laugh:
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handling increased with lowering the center of gravity, add to the vehicle uprated and thicker ARB's means less bend on the ARB resulting in straighter wheels on a corner.
these kits would not be designed and placed on all sports cars if they were useless :rolleyes:
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Its been documented a million times over the net that the mk4 golf is already at its limits at the stock suspension height. The control arms are already parallel with the ground. When you lower the car, you bring on unwanted positive camber, so when you go around corners at full speed it feels worse than it did with the stock setup.
It might feel 'stiff' and 'tight' at low speeds when your cruising through McDonald's drive through, but at the track it is useless.
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handling increased with lowering the center of gravity, add to the vehicle uprated and thicker ARB's means less bend on the ARB resulting in straighter wheels on a corner.
these kits would not be designed and placed on all sports cars if they were useless :rolleyes:
OMG haha such a noob comment, you have a lot to learn my friend.
These kits are more often designed for looks rather than actually solving the problem of making the car handle better.
Its well known that the Shine suspension kit is the best handling setup for the golf iv.
Standard height at the front, rear is dropped by an inch.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/Johnnyx877/VIR/MK2_7387.jpg)
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Its been documented a million times over the net that the mk4 golf is already at its limits at the stock suspension height. The control arms are already parallel with the ground. When you lower the car, you bring on unwanted positive camber, so when you go around corners at full speed it feels worse than it did with the stock setup.
It might feel 'stiff' and 'tight' at low speeds when your cruising through McDonald's drive through, but at the track it is useless.
funny how i drive around a round about each day 3rd exit, before i lowered my car anything over 35mph and the car understeered and wasnt able to get around it. after lowering i can take it between 45-50...
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funny how i drive around a round about each day 3rd exit, before i lowered my car anything over 35mph and the car understeered and wasnt able to get around it. after lowering i can take it between 45-50...
Understeering has to do with uneven weight distribution between the front and rear... you haven't done anything to change this yet....
You obviously improved with driving around the round about., and as per your first post, your car still has the tendency to roll because of the positive camber created by the lowering of your car.
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Lets make sure this thread stays clean, no willy waving or abuse otherwise I will lock it.
By all means post opinions and experiences but don't start having a go at each other.
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TT hubs, cast wishbones, R32 rack good start there.
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TT hubs, cast wishbones, R32 rack good start there.
Do you guys call control arms wishbones?
But yes I agree with the TT hubs, that's what I was referring to when I mentioned the h2 sport spindles. But its more complicated going the TT parts route.
h2 sport spindles are like $1000. But drop the roll centre of the car at the front by 1".
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Find wishbones with stubs on then if you worry about the drop link?
TT wishbones are a DIRECT fit to mk4 suspension. Theres only ARB drop links to worry about.
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handling increased with lowering the center of gravity, add to the vehicle uprated and thicker ARB's means less bend on the ARB resulting in straighter wheels on a corner.
these kits would not be designed and placed on all sports cars if they were useless :rolleyes:
OMG haha such a noob comment, you have a lot to learn my friend.
These kits are more often designed for looks rather than actually solving the problem of making the car handle better.
Its well known that the Shine suspension kit is the best handling setup for the golf iv.
Standard height at the front, rear is dropped by an inch.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/Johnnyx877/VIR/MK2_7387.jpg)
speaking from experience, driven my friends golf through becketts corner at silverstone on in 2011 standard set up and then some time in pits to fit his shocks and springs with uprated ARBs and it was like day and night, im not saying im a all knowing all seeing super nut with a a set of spanners for fingers tbf so the noob insult was a bit OTT. im speaking from experience :rolleyes:
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I think it's all been a bit misunderstood....
I know that lowering a car too much can ruin the handling
But i read what scirocco said as "put the standard suspension back on" which is definitely a bad idea
The standard ride height is ok (although 30mm lower is better) but the standard springs and shocks are gash
The ideal set up is about 30mm lower then standard with tt hubs and wishbones etc etc and if you want to take it further you can get camber and caster adjustment too
The h2 sport spindles are a waste of money IMHO as the tt set up is easily available and does the same job.
Apologies for noob comments but I though you were saying standard suspension is better :grin:
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you also have to consider that the golf GTI is already 15mm lower than standard so if you want 30mm from "standard hieght" you have to take this into consideration and put on up to 45mm worth of drop on so that you the desired 30mm drop otherwise if you put on 30mm then your only lowered by 15mm...
if that makes sense :lipsrsealed:
i understand where scirocco is coming from but entering a thread all guns blazing is a bit pointless really :laugh:
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Only the Anni is dropped a bit isnt it?
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Irrc the gti is 15mm and the anni is 30mm
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Irrc the gti is 15mm and the anni is 30mm
+1, cheers pal i wasnt too sure on that one, but i believe it is only the 1.8t that has these specific set up though i am trying to find out asap
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Wow i missed all these replies lol. No way stock is better the susoension is better now than oem end. But thanks for advise guys on arbs.
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Scirocco is kind of correct. The wishbones need to be flat when driving. There are some very technical discussions about it on other forums (specifically for my2 golfs) sonething about scrub radius, and other geeky stuff.
I made the mistake on my mk2 of swopping from a fixed rate kit
to a coilover, both weitec. It ruined the handling. It was too low. On any bumpy Derbyshire road I was slower with the coils. Bump bump smash. Wound Back up to flat wishbones and it got a lot better. More compliant and supple. The thing is winding up puts more preload on the springs, and made it too bouncy.
Lesson learnt for mk4. Il be going with sachs OE springs, eibach at push. Bilstein OE dampers. OE/TT Lemforder bushes and whiteline RARB.