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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Hawaii-Five-O on 19 April 2013, 09:22
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Just wondering how stop-start technology works in conjunction with DSG gearboxes?
For instance if you come to a halt in heavy traffic for a few seconds and the stop-start system cuts the engine, you're still in 'D' setting on the DSG, then when you pull away does it just fire up again and off you go? Do you have to press the break peddle and release when you want to move forward?
How does the DSG box cope with this as it normally prefers you to either press and hold the break pedal, select neutral or slip it into park. All of this seems to work against stop-start tech.
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It's a quite frustrating system with DSG. When the car comes to a stop, the engine stops. When you release the brake, it starts again. However, if you are stationary in a line of traffic, it means having to keep your foot on the brake to make sure the engine stays off, so the driver behind has to stare at your brake lights. Us courteous drivers who consider the car behind would normally come off the brake and let the Auto Hold, hold the car, but doing that will start the engine again.
Also when manoeuvring, it can stop the engine when you are stationary, going between D and R. It will re-start instantly when you release the brake, but it can make you look as if you've stalled the car.
You can of course switch it off, or trick it by applying slightly less brake pedal pressure to bring the car to a stop, but there is a very fine line between how much pressure to apply for the engine to turn off or not. You really have to think about it, which kind off goes against the rest of the cars effort saving driver aids.
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I agree with the above. Have it on my BM Rocco DSG and whilst you do get used to it, it's not the most initiative of systems. It would be far better if you pressed the brake pedal to stop, kept it in for a couple of seconds (so the system knows you have actually stopped - not just manoeuvring), then allow you to take you foot off the pedal so the brake lights go out. Then, the slightest press on the accelerator to move off should restart the system.
Think this would be better than having to keep your foot on the brake. To be honest I'd have thought VW would have matured the system after 2-3 years of operation ?
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It would make sense for it to restart when you pressed the accelerator, as that's what you need to do to release the auto hold, but I guess the engine has time to start in the time between moving your foot from the brake to the accelerator, meaning you can move off a fraction of a second quicker.
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God it sounds very fiddley. Not liking the sound of it with DSG at all! DSG is such a lovely smooth system on my current non stop/start Scirocco.
Any way to deactivate via VAGCOM?
I know it's all about saving fuel, but honestly how much does it actually save in the long run :whistle: especially if it pi$$es customers off.
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Any way to deactivate via VAGCOM?
Not as far as I'm aware, but there is is a button to turn it off. You just need to remember to do it every time you start the car.
I know it's all about saving fuel, but honestly how much does it actually save in the long run
Bugger all, but it does reduce the emissions in the lab tests, so we pay less road tax as a result.
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Anybody got their new GTI/GTD using stop-start with DSG? I'd like to hear how it works and your day-to-day experience?
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I didn't find it a bother in my DSG test drive, even though I did not do 3-point turn.
In any case you have the option of moving your hand a few inches and turning it off. How much hassle can that be? ;)
I personally think it's good to have both options at the flick of a switch.
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The frustrating part is having to leave your foot on the brake when stationary in order for the engine to stay off. You can put it into Park and then release the brake pedal, but that defeats the whole effortless point of DSG and Auto Hold.
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Anybody got their new GTI/GTD using stop-start with DSG? I'd like to hear how it works and your day-to-day experience?
It pisses my dad off no end – he switches it off every journey. He stops for roundabouts but otherwise his commute is smooth flowing and he’s never stopped anywhere for long. Of course the system doesn’t know how long he’s going to be stopped for. If there is a VCDS solution to this, he wants his start-stop disabling ASAP.
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Anybody got their new GTI/GTD using stop-start with DSG? I'd like to hear how it works and your day-to-day experience?
It pisses my dad off no end – he switches it off every journey. He stops for roundabouts but otherwise his commute is smooth flowing and he’s never stopped anywhere for long. Of course the system doesn’t know how long he’s going to be stopped for. If there is a VCDS solution to this, he wants his start-stop disabling ASAP.
There's a button beside the gearstick that switches the start/stop function off
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Anybody got their new GTI/GTD using stop-start with DSG? I'd like to hear how it works and your day-to-day experience?
It pisses my dad off no end – he switches it off every journey. He stops for roundabouts but otherwise his commute is smooth flowing and he’s never stopped anywhere for long. Of course the system doesn’t know how long he’s going to be stopped for. If there is a VCDS solution to this, he wants his start-stop disabling ASAP.
There's a button beside the gearstick that switches the start/stop function off
Yeah but you have to press it every time you restart the car.
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Anybody got their new GTI/GTD using stop-start with DSG? I'd like to hear how it works and your day-to-day experience?
It pisses my dad off no end – he switches it off every journey. He stops for roundabouts but otherwise his commute is smooth flowing and he’s never stopped anywhere for long. Of course the system doesn’t know how long he’s going to be stopped for. If there is a VCDS solution to this, he wants his start-stop disabling ASAP.
There's a button beside the gearstick that switches the start/stop function off
Yeah but you have to press it every time you restart the car.
Yes buts not really a hardship Joe, maybe a slight inconvenience.
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Well if you really want to disable it permanently it's discussed on this forum. Apparently there is a code to do it.
http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/viewtopic.php?t=9447&p=70983
In fact, specifically this.
http://www.a1-forum.co.uk/a1forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4473
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I'm just back from a test drive in a GTD with DSG and moving off from the auto hold was really smooth. Was worried it may be a little jerky as others have reported. Couldn't work out why the car never switched off when stopped at lights but apparently if the air con is on it overrides the start stop also.
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Anybody got their new GTI/GTD using stop-start with DSG? I'd like to hear how it works and your day-to-day experience?
Hawaii mate!!!... Just spent the weekend in London with stop start traffic and I can honestly say the 'Stop-Start' works a treat with the DSG box. I had no problems adapting whatsoever... Works very intuitively.
You basically rock up to the the lights, brake... Wait for the auto hold green light to appear on the dash, before letting your foot off the brake. Stop-Start will kick in (if the battery is suitably recharged). When you're ready to move off you simply hit the a accelerator pedal. Easy peasy! (You don't need to keep your foot on the brake or anything).
The only time I had to switch off the stop-start was manoeuvring into a tight space, as it kept stopping & starting everytime I switched from drive ' reverse!!! So annoying. But apart from that I love the DSG box.
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The only time I had to switch off the stop-start was manoeuvring into a tight space, as it kept stopping & starting everytime I switched from drive ' reverse!!! So annoying. But apart from that I love the DSG box.
That would be really annoying. Does it not disable itself when parking i.e. when the parking sensors are on?
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Mine is a manual and I don't recall it ever cutting out on me as I was about to maneuver into a parking space... It must be clever enough to realise somehow that I'm not stopped at lights, I am trying to park - maybe if you engage reverse within a certain time frame after stopping, it "knows"?
I can't see why the DSG would work differently. Super annoying if it did.
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I think the manual only stops if you put the car into neutral and then take your foot off the clutch? Not something that would happen if you are parking but I can see why this would be a pain in the ar$e if you had a DSG. Surely there has to be a better way for it to detect that you have stopped other than just pressing the brakes?
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I think the manual only stops if you put the car into neutral and then take your foot off the clutch?
Oh yes, you are right. Car has to be put into manual, which I typically wouldn't do when parking.
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Dipping the clutch to start the car up again on a stop makes the stop-start much more intuitive on the manual cars. By the time you dip the clutch, the car fires up again. On a DSG though, you immediately press the accelerator and nothing happens for a second.
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Dipping the clutch to start the car up again on a stop makes the stop-start much more intuitive on the manual cars. By the time you dip the clutch, the car fires up again. On a DSG though, you immediately press the accelerator and nothing happens for a second.
I agree.. On the DSG there is a slight split second delay when you hit the accelerator, which can be a bit unnerving at first especially on a busy junction where you need to a quick getaway. However I've got use to it now... I kinda second guess when I need to set off & fire up the engine accordingly. Just takes getting use to.
Hope you're enjoying your car by the way :cool:
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Dipping the clutch to start the car up again on a stop makes the stop-start much more intuitive on the manual cars. By the time you dip the clutch, the car fires up again. On a DSG though, you immediately press the accelerator and nothing happens for a second.
I agree.. On the DSG there is a slight split second delay when you hit the accelerator, which can be a bit unnerving at first especially on a busy junction where you need to a quick getaway. However I've got use to it now... I kinda second guess when I need to set off & fire up the engine accordingly. Just takes getting use to.
Hope you're enjoying your car by the way :cool:
Yes, it's grrreat!
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Finding myself turning stop/start off most of the time at the moment.
When it is on I gently tap the accelerator first to prevent that nasty jolt at launch. I think it could have been done better. Auto-hold can be a bit of a nightmare when your drive is on a hill and you have to reverse down it too :smiley:
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Dipping the clutch to start the car up again on a stop makes the stop-start much more intuitive on the manual cars. By the time you dip the clutch, the car fires up again. On a DSG though, you immediately press the accelerator and nothing happens for a second.
I agree.. On the DSG there is a slight split second delay when you hit the accelerator, which can be a bit unnerving at first especially on a busy junction where you need to a quick getaway. However I've got use to it now... I kinda second guess when I need to set off & fire up the engine accordingly. Just takes getting use to.
That's not what happens tho'. A DSG car restarts when you take your foot off the brake, so by the time your foot has got to the throttle, it's ready to go. If you are waiting for a quick getaway from a busy junction, surely you would not have your foot on the brake as the Auto Hold would take care of that (therefore the engine would be running) but instead have it hovering over the throttle pedal?
Auto-hold can be a bit of a nightmare when your drive is on a hill and you have to reverse down it too
In situations like this and manoeuvring in tight spaces, turning the Auto-hold off will allow it to creep just like a good old fashioned Auto, allowing you to control you speed with the brake pedal.
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dubber36:
"That's not what happens tho'. A DSG car restarts when you take your foot off the brake, so by the time your foot has got to the throttle, it's ready to go. If you are waiting for a quick getaway from a busy junction, surely you would not have your foot on the brake as the Auto Hold would take care of that (therefore the engine would be running) but instead have it hovering over the throttle pedal?"
Strange??? You must have a different DSG system to me then.... Mine does NOT restart when you take the foot off the brake... It only fires up again when you step on the accelerator. That's when you get the slight delay.
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Yeah turn the auto-hold off now for it, of course the first time I forgot I had and wondered why once I put it in park it started moving backwards :smiley:
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dubber36:
"That's not what happens tho'. A DSG car restarts when you take your foot off the brake, so by the time your foot has got to the throttle, it's ready to go. If you are waiting for a quick getaway from a busy junction, surely you would not have your foot on the brake as the Auto Hold would take care of that (therefore the engine would be running) but instead have it hovering over the throttle pedal?"
Strange??? You must have a different DSG system to me then.... Mine does NOT restart when you take the foot off the brake... It only fires up again when you step on the accelerator. That's when you get the slight delay.
Maybe it is different. My car is a 2011 Passat. I drove a new Passat Altrack recently, and that was just the same. Perhaps the MQB platform cars are different.
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The auto-hold and stop/start stuff does work a bit differently in the MK7 than in older VW's, so that's probably where the confusion here lies. My MK6 GTD had "hill-hold" but it was a bit useless... it only held the car for a couple of seconds, only useful-ish if doing a hill start. The auto-hold in in the MK7 is much cleverer.
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Yeah turn the auto-hold off now for it, of course the first time I forgot I had and wondered why once I put it in park it started moving backwards :smiley:
Shouldn't a deadbolt engage in park locking the transmission and wheels? :undecided: Or do you mean neutral?
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Yeah turn the auto-hold off now for it, of course the first time I forgot I had and wondered why once I put it in park it started moving backwards :smiley:
Shouldn't a deadbolt engage in park locking the transmission and wheels? :undecided: Or do you mean neutral?
It probably hadn't moved even half a inch before I went for the brake pedal, but sure it was definitely in park. I'll try it again later to be sure.
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Isn't leaving an auto in park just the same as leaving a manual in gear? With the exception of it not being in gear, if that makes sense.
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When in park it should have a pin that engages into a flywheel or something and locks the who system up so neither the transmission nor the wheels can move.
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When in park it should have a pin that engages into a flywheel or something and locks the who system up so neither the transmission nor the wheels can move.
Not the flywheel, but it should lock the transmission with the transmission dis-engaged from the engine...
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Park is a fixed gear, like on any auto box.
It can roll for a bit before engaging.
Pin engaging with the flywheel!?!? wtf?
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Park is a fixed gear, like on any auto box.
It can roll for a bit before engaging.
Pin engaging with the flywheel!?!? wtf?
http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_308.pdf
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Thanks, that confirms what I've just said (maybe slightly unnecessary)
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Not sure what you are trying to get at dude. The problem as described was a DSG car rolling backwards while in park. As I've pointed out DSGs lock the transmission using a pin to prevent movement when in park.
Do you disagree with this? :rolleyes:
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It rolls backwards in park before it engages, I actually have the car I'm talking about.
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I actually think the stop / start has matured significantly.
When I had the Scirocco, the only way to engage SS was to keep your foot on the brake pedal, which obviously meant brake lights blazing away at the car behind.
With the new GTD, as soon as the SS engages, you can release the brake pedal, and the car then restarts the moment the accelerator pedal is touched. So no more blinding the car behind, and it feels much more natural. all the time the SS is active, the hill hold is also active and prevents you rolling anywhere with no brakes applied.
A much better system than the Scirocco.
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I actually think the stop / start has matured significantly.
When I had the Scirocco, the only way to engage SS was to keep your foot on the brake pedal, which obviously meant brake lights blazing away at the car behind.
With the new GTD, as soon as the SS engages, you can release the brake pedal, and the car then restarts the moment the accelerator pedal is touched. So no more blinding the car behind, and it feels much more natural. all the time the SS is active, the hill hold is also active and prevents you rolling anywhere with no brakes applied.
A much better system than the Scirocco.
My hillhold seems to have turned itself off a few times mid journey, mysteriously.
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I find as well that if you don't apply as much pressure to the foot brake you can have your foot on the brake whilst at rest without applying the hill hold function. So if your on a very small incline you can move off smoothly without worrying about any possible jerky take off.
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I find as well that if you don't apply as much pressure to the foot brake you can have your foot on the brake whilst at rest without applying the hill hold function. So if your on a very small incline you can move off smoothly without worrying about any possible jerky take off.
The whole point of the SS new system (which I was wrong about until being corrected on here) is that you can come off the brake pedal, therefore not dazzling the driver behind with your bright LED brake lights.
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Who wouldn't want to be dazzled by those rear clusters, they look great! :whistle: :grin:
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Who wouldn't want to be dazzled by those rear clusters, they look great! :whistle: :grin:
The mk7 lights are lovely but you know I'm not sure if i prefer the mk6 rear lights. They really are very nice and stand out from the crowd.
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I'm not sure if i prefer the mk6 rear lights. They really are very nice and stand out from the crowd.
They really stand out because they belong on a Touareg. :tongue:
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I actually think the stop / start has matured significantly.
When I had the Scirocco, the only way to engage SS was to keep your foot on the brake pedal, which obviously meant brake lights blazing away at the car behind.
With the new GTD, as soon as the SS engages, you can release the brake pedal, and the car then restarts the moment the accelerator pedal is touched. So no more blinding the car behind, and it feels much more natural. all the time the SS is active, the hill hold is also active and prevents you rolling anywhere with no brakes applied.
A much better system than the Scirocco.
If you are using Auto-Hold and you come to a stop at traffic lights or whatever, then your rear brake lights do stay illuminated even if you take your foot off the brake! If the green "P" parking symbol is lit in your dash then auto-hold is activated and your rear brake lights are lit.
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If you are using Auto-Hold and you come to a stop at traffic lights or whatever, then your rear brake lights do stay illuminated even if you take your foot off the brake! If the green "P" parking symbol is lit in your dash then auto-hold is activated and your rear brake lights are lit.
Well that's just bloody stupid and inconsiderate. If I am at the back of a queue I will keep my foot on the brake to keep the brake lights on. As soon as a car comes up behind and it's obvious that he has seen that I'm stopped, I take my foot off the brake so that the brake lights go off. Just the same with the rear fog light. If it's obvious that the car behind you can see you, it doesn't need to be on.
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If you are using Auto-Hold and you come to a stop at traffic lights or whatever, then your rear brake lights do stay illuminated even if you take your foot off the brake! If the green "P" parking symbol is lit in your dash then auto-hold is activated and your rear brake lights are lit.
Well that's just bloody stupid and inconsiderate. If I am at the back of a queue I will keep my foot on the brake to keep the brake lights on. As soon as a car comes up behind and it's obvious that he has seen that I'm stopped, I take my foot off the brake so that the brake lights go off. Just the same with the rear fog light. If it's obvious that the car behind you can see you, it doesn't need to be on.
What is the big deal really if the lights stay on? At least the person behind will have something nice to look at :smiley:
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What is the big deal really if the lights stay on?
Courteous driving practices, especially at night. Would you leave your rear fog light on with a car behind you that could obviously see you?
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What is the big deal really if the lights stay on?
Courteous driving practices, especially at night. Would you leave your rear fog light on with a car behind you that could obviously see you?
No because having your fog lights on when not foggy is illegal. There are far worse driving indescretions than having your rear lights on.
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I personally find the whole fog light problem overrated. Yes someone with the rear light on is a little annoying but people driving too fast around roundabouts and/or failing to indicate is much more irritating not to mention dangerous. And I have no clue why anyone finds front fogs annoying when modern DRLs are significantly brighter.
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I personally find the whole fog light problem overrated. Yes someone with the rear light on is a little annoying but people driving too fast around roundabouts and/or failing to indicate is much more irritating not to mention dangerous. And I have no clue why anyone finds front fogs annoying when modern DRLs are significantly brighter.
It’s usually the Charvas in their 10 year old Corsa/Astra that permanently have their fogs on. “look at my car, it’s so sporty it has front fog lights” (and a 1.2 engine ragged to within an inch of its life). They fail to realise that most cars now have them on as standard.
I do find front fogs far more of a dazzle hazard than DRLs, and really don’t see why the EU is even pushing for DRLs. I think motorbikes are far less conspicuous as motorbikes now, which for me is a real hazard. In the past you saw lights in your rear mirror and knew that either a motorbike or a Volvo were behind you and made preparations for the real possibility that the motorbike was ready to do a manoeuvre which may not be the cleverest.
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What is the big deal really if the lights stay on?
Courteous driving practices, especially at night. Would you leave your rear fog light on with a car behind you that could obviously see you?
No because having your fog lights on when not foggy is illegal. There are far worse driving indescretions than having your rear lights on.
I'm not saying about having the fog light on when it's not foggy, I'm suggesting that it is good practice to turn it off (even in fog) if the car behind is close enough to be able to see your ordinary tail lights clearly. A good indication of this is if you can see the lights of the car in front of you.
To my mind, having to stare at blazing brake lights from the car in front when sat in traffic is not all that pleasant. If the driver in front thought that too, it would be nice. Just like holding a door open for someone. You don't have to do it, but it is appreciated.
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It’s usually the Charvas in their 10 year old Corsa/Astra that permanently have their fogs on. “look at my car, it’s so sporty it has front fog lights” (and a 1.2 engine ragged to within an inch of its life). They fail to realise that most cars now have them on as standard.
I have a mate who argues that keeping his fog lights on whilst on the motorway gives him more presence :shocked:
he's was mid 30's and drove a fiat at the time :whistle:
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It’s usually the Charvas in their 10 year old Corsa/Astra that permanently have their fogs on. “look at my car, it’s so sporty it has front fog lights” (and a 1.2 engine ragged to within an inch of its life). They fail to realise that most cars now have them on as standard.
I have a mate who argues that keeping his fog lights on whilst on the motorway gives him more presence :shocked:
he's was mid 30's and drove a fiat at the time :whistle:
In his situation I’d want less presence. I’d be driving around with a balaclava on to avoid being recognised! :grin:
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What is the big deal really if the lights stay on?
Courteous driving practices, especially at night. Would you leave your rear fog light on with a car behind you that could obviously see you?
No because having your fog lights on when not foggy is illegal. There are far worse driving indescretions than having your rear lights on.
I'm not saying about having the fog light on when it's not foggy, I'm suggesting that it is good practice to turn it off (even in fog) if the car behind is close enough to be able to see your ordinary tail lights clearly. A good indication of this is if you can see the lights of the car in front of you.
To my mind, having to stare at blazing brake lights from the car in front when sat in traffic is not all that pleasant. If the driver in front thought that too, it would be nice. Just like holding a door open for someone. You don't have to do it, but it is appreciated.
Sorry, I still don't see what a the fuss is about. I've never once got annoyed by someone having their brake lights on when stationary. People aggresively cutting in or tailgating pisses me off but people with brake lights on, meh
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Sorry, I still don't see what a the fuss is about. I've never once got annoyed by someone having their brake lights on when stationary. People aggresively cutting in or tailgating pisses me off but people with brake lights on, meh
Maybe you don't.
I was using the comparison with rear fog lights to try and illustrate my point. If you were driving in the fog and visibility was sufficiently reduced that the rear fog light was necessary, when a car came up behind you, close enough for it to be obvious that he could see your normal tail lights, would you turn your fog light off to prevent dazzling him?
Brake lights are the same intensity as fogs lights and you have 3 of them. Just saying
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I personally find the whole fog light problem overrated. Yes someone with the rear light on is a little annoying but people driving too fast around roundabouts and/or failing to indicate is much more irritating not to mention dangerous. And I have no clue why anyone finds front fogs annoying when modern DRLs are significantly brighter.
Because it's distracting, potentially dangerous (has that person flashed me or not?) and indicates that the person is clueless and does not know (a) what lights are appropriate for certain conditions and (b) how to operate their car correctly. When there's a tiny bit of rain around, I don't need or want someone tailgating me with all their lights on.
It's all about consideration to other road users. It's the same sort of self-absorbed halfwits who take up two spaces in supermarket car parks, park on double yellow lines, beep their horn in the middle of the night and so on. The sort of person who thinks their stupid number plate with dodgy character spacing and daft font looks cool and that other road users desperately want to know what their name is.
DRLs are similarly annoying. We aren't in Norway and it doesn't get dark at 1pm. One of the first things I did when I got my Mark 6 is to turn the things off. Fortunately as it had dynamic lighting Xenons, I didn't have to faff about with those silly direction illuminating fog lights.
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Slightly off topic, but last night I just wanted to check to see what sort of illumination I got fro the LED front fogs, and I was staggered ! On my old Rocco, I could hardly see any difference at all with the fogs on, but my god, the GTI/GTD units are bloody bright and give a real good spread of light !
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Noticing the more miles I do the less it seems to 'fire off forward' when restarting the engine. It's almost totally smooth now.
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Noticing the more miles I do the less it seems to 'fire off forward' when restarting the engine. It's almost totally smooth now.
My salesman told me the hold grab has a learning period and it'll ease up. Still waiting for it on mine - early days yet.
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My wife is looking at new cars. We have test driven an A3 1.4 COD Stronic. The stop/start was almost unnoticeable - really quiet and smooth.
At this moment we have a Golf SE 1.6 TDI DSG. The stop/start is really annoying. It is very noticeable when the engine restarts. Yes, I know it can be turned off, but this has to be done every time the car is started. I even found myself trying not press to break too hard so the green light indicated auto hold engaged and the engine stayed on.
Is the petrol car just better at stop/start than the diesel? Is it the power difference?
I do remember the Audi salesman saying that they had the latest version of stop/start that was exclusive to them? Does that mean just Audi or the VAG group? Would an Audi 1.6 TDI Stronic be the same or smoother?
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first day driving GTI with DSG & stop start seemed no prob. salesman told me the trick is to get the foot off the brake once stopped before the stop start kicks in, only kicks in if foot stays on the brake, that seemed to work ok.
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Yeah I have just had mine a day too and love this feature of being able to override the stop start by just touching the break on stop and lift off.
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It took me a while to learn how to drive my Passat properly and come to a stop without the engine stopping. The only time when it does stop when I wouldn't want it to is manouvering. When you stop the car and shift from D to R, your foot needs to stay on the brake pedal. This means the engine stops. When it re-starts I get the feeling that people outside will assume 've stalled. Reducing the pedal pressure can prevent this happening, but if my mind is on reversing into a tight space, this doesn't always happen.
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. salesman told me the trick is to get the foot off the brake once stopped before the stop start kicks in, only kicks in if foot stays on the brake
Do you not creep forward if still in 'D'?
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. salesman told me the trick is to get the foot off the brake once stopped before the stop start kicks in, only kicks in if foot stays on the brake
Do you not creep forward if still in 'D'?
No, because the Auto Hold has taken over. Even tho' it is in D, unlike a torque converter automatic it isn't trying to go, because the clutch does not engage the gear until the throttle is pressed.
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Thats not how DSG works in my Roc and earlier Golfs - if you are in D it will always creep - its a design feature of DSG. Presume its been altered for the Mk.7 with this Auto hold thingy?
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Thats not how DSG works in my Roc and earlier Golfs - if you are in D it will always creep - its a design feature of DSG. Presume its been altered for the Mk.7 with this Auto hold thingy?
It will creep if you manually release the parking brake or auto-hold, just like an old auto, but if the brakes are applied by either pedal or auto hold, the mechnatronics (sp) disengage drive so the car isn't trying to pull against the brakes.
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Interesting read this one. Only just saw this.
I've never been a fan of Honda Stop Start.
In the auto Hybrid, (Insight), if you are in drive, and the foot is on the brake and you stop. It will turn off.
However, this is why I don't like it. If you release the brake, and your on a hill, you will start to role, and the engine doesn't kick in. So you free falling in an auto. But just hit the accelerate and it's back on.
On manuals, I always turn it off as about 20 times to date it's failed on me when I've put the clutch back down. Always when it's super busy and it makes me look like a retard.
The worst by far though IMO is the new Range Rover Sports. Sat at the traffic lights with my foot on the accelerator for a good 5 seconds before it worked. Not sure if it was dodgy model.
Think I'm going to just get into the habit of, hit start engine, hit turn off stop start.