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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ajmoir36 on 14 April 2013, 21:33
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I thought the mk7 is supposed to be lighter?
3Dr Man
GTD mk6 = 1329kg GTD mk7 = 1377kg (assuming the figures are for the 3dr)
GTI mk6 = 1318kg GTI mk7 = 1351kg (assuming the figures are for the 3dr)
5Dr Man
GTD mk6 = 1359kg GTD mk7 = 1407kg? (should be heavier on the mk7 could it be 30Kg heavier as that's the difference in the mk6)
GTI mk6 = 1348kg GTI mk7 = 1381kg? (should be heavier on the mk7 could it be 30Kg heavier as that's the difference in the mk6)
3Dr DSG
GTD mk6 = 1351kg GTD mk7 = 1395kg (assuming the figures are for the 3dr)
GTI mk6 = 1339kg(1393kg old broc) GTI mk7 = 1370kg (assuming the figures are for the 3dr)
5Dr DSG
GTD mk6 = 1381kg GTD mk7 = 1425kg? (should be heavier on the mk7 could it be 30Kg heavier as that's the difference in the mk6)
GTI mk6 = 1369kg(1414Kg old broc) GTI mk7 = 1400kg? (should be heavier on the mk7 could it be 30Kg heavier as that's the difference in the mk6)
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Interesting. Where's this info from?
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VW Website for the mk7 and parkers for the mk6 the VW site doesn't spec for the 3 or 5 door mk7 seven so assuming its the 3dr.
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VW Website for the mk7 and parkers for the mk6 the VW site doesn't spec for the 3 or 5 door mk7 seven so assuming its the 3dr.
Whoops double post. Actually just looked at my mk6 GTD and GTI brochures and they match parkers.
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Was always a bit sceptical of the initial claims. Think this was mentioned in a previous thread that showed there was barely any weight saving at all. So it's actually heavier!!
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There have been changes to the way VW publish vehicle weights fairly recently in that they allow for driver weight amongst other things. Probably a new industry standard thing like the optimistic fuel figures.
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According to the old brochures on the vw website a 5dr with DSG is 1414, a manual is 1393.
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There have been changes to the way VW publish vehicle weights fairly recently in that they allow for driver weight amongst other things. Probably a new industry standard thing like the optimistic fuel figures.
I wonder the average weight of a Golf GTI/GTD driver? That would make it lighter.
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I'm sure I read it in VW Driver mag recently. I think 70 kilos was mentioned. Will have a scan thru when I get chance.
I think fluids and driver are counted from memory.
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I'm sure I have read (somewhere in VW literature) that they allow for drivers weight and half a tank of fuel in the new figures.
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I suppose that it makes it 100kg lighter than the figures above.
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They can make figures suit themselves by saying the mk7 body shell is 'up to' 100kg lighter due to alumium roof and bonnet but they don't tell you about the 150kg of added crap you don't need or want which makes the car actually heavier than the old one.
Jag have been doing it for years - alumium bodies but the cars get heavier and heavier but they say the body shell is lighter so people assume the car will be lighter. Mercedes and Audi do it and they weigh as much as a tank.
I fell for VW early press lies saying the car had alumium panels so assumed it would be lighter than the mk6 but all the stats I've see. So far make the car heavier so I won't be buying a mk7.
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The MK7 body is just under 30kg lighter than the outgoing body (due to "thinner and stronger" steel panels) and there have been some savings made in some new engine blocks. I suspect that the models with the maximum weight saving will be those with 120PS or less as they have a torsional bar rear suspension instead of the multi-link set-up. 30kg body + engine weight savings + rear suspension savings will probably add up to around 100kg on the lowest models in the range.
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I wouldn't let the weight issue put you of buying the car it's the tech that goes in it that makes it better and more fuel efficient unless of course you are Lewis Hamilton :evil:
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Tech and fuel economy are 2 things which don't interest me in slightest to be honest
I prefer driving a lighter car over a heavy one. Weight destroys everything - ride, handling, braking and performance.
Its like Building a BMW x6 over 2000kg and fittin it with stop start is a joke. Why not shed some weight and improve the car in every way?
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The MK7 body is just under 30kg lighter than the outgoing body (due to "thinner and stronger" steel panels) and there have been some savings made in some new engine blocks. I suspect that the models with the maximum weight saving will be those with 120PS or less as they have a torsional bar rear suspension instead of the multi-link set-up. 30kg body + engine weight savings + rear suspension savings will probably add up to around 100kg on the lowest models in the range.
The GTI body shell has some alumium panels so is lighter than the base model mk7
The aluminium roof was something that really appealed to me (Lower c of g) but the weight still goes up
Who the hell wants or needs an electronic hand brake? Complication for the sake of it and adds nothing to the car whatsoever except the cost of brake servicing in 3 years time
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The MK7 body is just under 30kg lighter than the outgoing body (due to "thinner and stronger" steel panels) and there have been some savings made in some new engine blocks. I suspect that the models with the maximum weight saving will be those with 120PS or less as they have a torsional bar rear suspension instead of the multi-link set-up. 30kg body + engine weight savings + rear suspension savings will probably add up to around 100kg on the lowest models in the range.
The GTI body shell has some alumium panels so is lighter than the base model mk7
The aluminium roof was something that really appealed to me (Lower c of g) but the weight still goes up
Who the hell wants or needs an electronic hand brake? Complication for the sake of it and adds nothing to the car whatsoever except the cost of brake servicing in 3 years time
Have to agree with you on this and they will always manipulate the figures to suit themselves. And so much for the lighter aluminium roof if you stick a massive panoramic sunroof in it - but at least that is optional!
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I wouldn't let the weight issue put you of buying the car it's the tech that goes in it that makes it better and more fuel efficient unless of course you are Lewis Hamilton :evil:
Lewis would go for the A Class anyway :laugh:
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It beats me why some people on here even have Golf GTIs in the first place if performance and agility are more important than technology and comfort. Surely there are faster, lighter, lesser equipped cars out there that better suit your needs?
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They might not be more important but for some are AS important. It's about balance and I think most of us recognise that tech and comfort has equal place otherwise, as you say, we'd be driving something else.
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Yup, I hear you on that one, and in terms of balance, the GTI is pretty much perfect.
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