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Title: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 03 August 2005, 10:10
Well

I've  bitten the bullet and decided to hand Bessie over to a mechanic who knows what he's doing!
He has the KJet diagnositc thingys and a big sun rolling road :) I'm hoping I'll get her back running like a stormer and find out why she was running so rich and stalling and stuff.
I'll post up the problems and solutions and maybe the dyno sheets, I've asked for 1 before and 1 after so hopefully I'll be able to see a difference in the 2 if not I'm selling up!!!! should be back around lunchtime hopefully! :)
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 03 August 2005, 10:15
Keep us posted !!!
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: kniterider on 03 August 2005, 10:32
aye would be interesting to see before and after charts......

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Logie on 03 August 2005, 10:32
Cool, should come out running sweet. I took my AX GT on the RR. Was impressed with the figures. 92.5 BHP, 134lbsft Toruqe @ 4,500

 Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Should'nt be too hard to beat that in the Golf. Beat the BHP already ;)
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: swadnod on 03 August 2005, 11:47
Looking forward to see the results..
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 03 August 2005, 14:57
Holy sh!te!!!!

Anyway the results :D

Dyno printer wasn't working today so no maps yet but going back in 2 weeks for a retest so should get one then

On arrival he checked the gasses and made sure that the engine was fit to go on the rollers, which it was apparently and

She first produced a grand total of 93 BHP with many flat spots  :shocked: :cry: :angry: Only just Logie ;)

And then!!!

Set the timing up properly stopped it pinking (don't need to do my tappets!!), checked the timing advance which it wasn't doing, "freed" up the Airflow Meter, checked all the electrical points and CSV, WUR, ISV etc and then banged it back on the rollers for round 2.

Second time 149 BHP  get in!! :D :D :D

So 56 BHP for £50 I'm a happy lad now! finally got the ledgendary power and performance I was expecting! And I'm not selling it anymore get off I'll fight u for it!


So, when it went in I'd had enough :( now I can't get enough! :) I took it for a long drive after picking it up and it's loads better but I can't bloody stop quick enough. So I need to upgrade my brakes big time! 239mm brakes and 149 BHP do not go together!!!!!
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: rubjonny on 03 August 2005, 15:12
Excellent stuff :D

I take it you've got an early 16v or had an engine conversion then?
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: kniterider on 03 August 2005, 15:13
wicked..... feck me it must have been running sick for 93 bhp!!!

you got any other bits or is it standard to get that nice 149!!!!!

£50 very well spent id say!!

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 03 August 2005, 15:15
Nice one mate - you must be well chuffed !!

Where's the guy based who looked over your valver then ?? 

Dave.
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 03 August 2005, 15:24

Where's the guy based who looked over your valver then ?? 


 :grin:was gonna ask that too
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 03 August 2005, 15:41
Guys based in Wakefield up here in Sunny Yorkshire DavidHawkins give me a pm if u want his number
Kniterider just look at all my old posts along the lines of FFS it's doing my head in and I'm going to sell it!!!!
It still went with 93 bhp but I knew something wasn't right I just couldn't put my finger on what it was. Pretty standard engine-wise bar a 4-1 stainless manifold and s/s exhaust, Polished and ported head, Drilled airbox, K&N Air filter, Polished throttlebody and thats it dude so well impressed.
yes Rubjonny E reg 88 valver so Tiny brakes and big bloody engine!!!

Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: workhorse '90 8v on 03 August 2005, 18:29
Awesome :laugh:

Anyone know where the nearest rolling road to Aberystwyth is?????????????
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 03 August 2005, 19:19
errr you try running nearly 200bhp through 8v brakes, makes for some interesting moments i will tell you.Still a G60 brake set up coming my way soon. Good results for a valver.  :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Gambit on 04 August 2005, 09:05
just a small change before and after!!!
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Deefadog on 04 August 2005, 09:07
Nice one!

So what exactly was wrong?, or what did he do to rectify the problem?
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 04 August 2005, 10:27
Allsorts of things!! mainly in the way it was set up it was running very rich, pinking, timing not advancing, timing set wrong, reset ECU and checked fuel pressure etc seems to have done shedloads and the difference is amazing before it was quick, now it's fappin mental gets to about 3 grand and goes crazy pulls llike a train and goes like a rocket!!!  :cool: as feck!!
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: gibby on 04 August 2005, 10:40
far canal ! What a difference that must make.  :grin:

Monza, where in Wakey is this guy ? I'm not going to get any of those gains on my cabby but it would be nice if it could be checked out and tweeked slightly ! PM the address and number if you will, it might be worth having a quick drive down the M1 to see the guy.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Deefadog on 04 August 2005, 12:42
I guess there is only so much you can do yourself, getting set up on a rolling road is best way of sorting it!

i have just rang up my local (only) rolling road garage - £48 + VAT for an hour

I am going to take it there next month, but i want to be prepard on what everyhting should be set at, advance timing etc, can anyone tell me what all the settings should be on a kr 16V?
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 04 August 2005, 14:14
They should know these things really mate!! I don't know what the settings are but generally they'll just tune it until they get it right hopefully anyway! ;) surer someone will have a more helpful answer but I just gave him my keys and said here it's doing my head in fix it will u please!!!
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: ...joe on 04 August 2005, 17:48
wow thats quality!! the only thing i'd say, deefa, is take it to someone who knows a 16v it may cost you more but if the rolling road has no specific knowledge he might not help things at all.

far canal ! What a difference that must make. :grin:

Monza, where in Wakey is this guy ? I'm not going to get any of those gains on my cabby but it would be nice if it could be checked out and tweeked slightly ! PM the address and number if you will, it might be worth having a quick drive down the M1 to see the guy. :smiley:

you want more power?! your cab wastes (certain) 16 valves as it is!!!!!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: mix on 04 August 2005, 17:58
Thats some gain on bhp....you must be grinning from ear to ear now... :grin:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 04 August 2005, 19:13
Yeah mix every time I put my foot down and it turns into a monster!!! :D :cool:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: bretttuk on 04 August 2005, 19:37
With such good news like that, i think i shall be visiting said garage sometime in the near future, glad you have had such good results...

would be interested to see what mine is doing and what can be done.

Brett
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 04 August 2005, 20:08
Well seen as so many people want it I'll post it up if that's ok.
I wouldn't normally as I don't want any, I went to that garage you reccomended and he only got 2bhp out of mine type comments!!!! and I don't want to annoy the guy. Remember mine was FUBAR and he did a good job I can only go on that, word of mouth and the fact the guy (Tony) is sound. Don't upset him though otherwise I won't get mine done again!!!!

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Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Deefadog on 04 August 2005, 21:19
FUBAR?
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 04 August 2005, 21:45
F*cked Up Beyond All Recognition ;) :cool:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Deefadog on 05 August 2005, 08:00
 :grin:

Been there!  :grin:

Well i can't complain at the moment, after buying that gunston gastester and i have set the C0 to 2% - car seems good all the way throught the rev ranges. only slight problems and these maybe just the age of the car, is that the first 5 secs on start up the revs dip to around 700 rpm (nothing major i know) :)

Anotherr thing is that after 3k the revs should really start to move yes? well mine is more constant through out, so maybe this can be sorted at the RR
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 05 August 2005, 09:13
My revs climb to about 1400 when cold and it revs smoothly all the way through but when it gets to 3 it starts really climbing and pulls through to 7.5k :D
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: gibby on 05 August 2005, 10:17
you want more power?! your cab wastes (certain) 16 valves as it is!!!!!! :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh:  :laugh: Certain being the key word there !  :laugh: Slammed has since had it tuned so I think he'll spank me next time.  :smiley:

Just for the record though, what Monza has actually proved is that his car was not running right as he suspected, the 145bhp figure is only 6 above what it should be as standard (139bhp). I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Monza is right in the fact that if your 16v is running well and has a slight tweek then you may only see a couple of bhp gains.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 05 August 2005, 11:55
Ahem 149 BHP 10 more than factory and 56 more than before a tune ;)
and it goes oh soooo soooo so much better than b4!!!
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 05 August 2005, 15:20
Pretty standard engine-wise bar a 4-1 stainless manifold and s/s exhaust, Polished and ported head, Drilled airbox, K&N Air filter, Polished throttlebody and thats it dude so well impressed.




i thought you would get more than 10bhp from that lot :undecided: stealth can get that from a standard valver :huh:
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 05 August 2005, 15:27
Using the WUR mod remember, although they are not brilliantly stable.
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 05 August 2005, 15:36
what arent stable? does the wur mod  need constant fiddling like carbs or something?
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 05 August 2005, 15:38
The WUR mod, its a fueling modification to the system, sometimes they can be good for ages, others you will get 5 mins down the road and all hell will break loose. Nice idea but if i wanted to change fueling i would do it properly.
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: rubjonny on 05 August 2005, 16:08
At the end of the day though, thats probably the best £50 you've spent on your 16v eh :)
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 05 August 2005, 20:18
Damn right best £50 definitley and so far 89 miles and I'm not on 3/4 tank yet and I've been flying everywhere!!! compared to 40 before driving like a granny!

 I have heard many things about the WUR mod and fuelling problems so didn't want that touching. The engine was rebuilt by AudiGolfHitz not been able to find anymore info on the company? but that is what I was sold it as.
Title: Re: Finally my Car's gone into the garage for a proper rolling road tune
Post by: monzablue16v on 05 August 2005, 20:49
oh and if ne1 is coming over send me a pm and we can go for a bevvy :)  Monza