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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: ROO1 on 29 March 2013, 18:32
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Spoke to 3 dealers over last 2 days. 1 said no discount as new model, one said 3.5%, and the other 5%. Anyone been offered better?
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As always, go into your local stealers, configure your car and negotiate and then walk away with their best offer. Speak to 3 or 4 other stealers and play them off one another.
The optimum time to negotiate best deal is at the end of the month as sales guys have monthly targets to meet so you may be able to get a better deal
Red
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Have you tried 'drive the deal.com'?
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Spoke to 3 dealers over last 2 days. 1 said no discount as new model, one said 3.5%, and the other 5%. Anyone been offered better?
Which dealer offered what?
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The 3 dealers with the 3 levels of discount...did they all offer the same part ex? If the 5% discount dealer offered you 10% less for your part ex (worth approx 1/2 of the new car) then you're no better off than no discount dealer offering 10% more on your part ex.
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The 3 dealers with the 3 levels of discount...did they all offer the same part ex? If the 5% discount dealer offered you 10% less for your part ex (worth approx 1/2 of the new car) then you're no better off than no discount dealer offering 10% more on your part ex.
Yes I placed an order today with the 3.5% dealer as he valued my px at £900 more than the 5% dealer
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My dad is also looking to get a GTD after deciding that his MK5 Golf GT170TDI (07 plate) needs an upgrade (copycat!) - he's wanting a Tornado red 3 door with DSG. So I rang the salesman at Pulman back and they're offering him over the odds in part ex value (£5500), free service pack and free back to invoice GAP. As soon as he mentioned GAP he announces that my surprise is out of the bag - he was going to surprise me on collection with the free GAP on mine, so my "discount" is even better than I thought it was.
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The 3 dealers with the 3 levels of discount...did they all offer the same part ex? If the 5% discount dealer offered you 10% less for your part ex (worth approx 1/2 of the new car) then you're no better off than no discount dealer offering 10% more on your part ex.
Yes I placed an order today with the 3.5% dealer as he valued my px at £900 more than the 5% dealer
Are you going to tell us who then ?
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My dad is also looking to get a GTD after deciding that his MK5 Golf GT170TDI (07 plate) needs an upgrade (copycat!) - he's wanting a Tornado red 3 door with DSG. So I rang the salesman at Pulman back and they're offering him over the odds in part ex value (£5500), free service pack and free back to invoice GAP. As soon as he mentioned GAP he announces that my surprise is out of the bag - he was going to surprise me on collection with the free GAP on mine, so my "discount" is even better than I thought it was.
Result! :cool:
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The 3 dealers with the 3 levels of discount...did they all offer the same part ex? If the 5% discount dealer offered you 10% less for your part ex (worth approx 1/2 of the new car) then you're no better off than no discount dealer offering 10% more on your part ex.
Yes I placed an order today with the 3.5% dealer as he valued my px at £900 more than the 5% dealer
Are you going to tell us who then ?
Inchcape Telford
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Drive the deal offering over 10% discount 2.0 GT TDI 5 door
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Drive the deal offering over 10% discount 2.0 GT TDI 5 door
I'm not surprised
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There are plenty of people reporting abysmal fuel economy on the 150TDI GT (much worse than their MK6 140/170, despite published values well up) within the VWAudi forum and with the solutions deal comparison the GT seems a poor buy over the GTD thanks to much lower retained value. Hopefully the economy issues won't plague the GTD, maybe there are teething troubles on the 150PS unit that need fixing. The generous discounts on UKNEWCARS/Drivethedeal etc for the MK7 GT seem to have appeared quite quickly, but keep in mind you'll get bottom book for your part ex if the supplying dealer takes your car.
ROO1: To put your discount into context, could you tell us what is your current car and what part ex price were you offered in comparison to Parkers current value?
Mine is an 11 plate Scirocco 170TDI GT, Parkers says it is worth £14,650ish and I got £15,500 allowance for it.
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The 3 dealers with the 3 levels of discount...did they all offer the same part ex? If the 5% discount dealer offered you 10% less for your part ex (worth approx 1/2 of the new car) then you're no better off than no discount dealer offering 10% more on your part ex.
Yes I placed an order today with the 3.5% dealer as he valued my px at £900 more than the 5% dealer
Are you going to tell us who then ?
Inchcape Telford
Cheers
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There are plenty of people reporting abysmal fuel economy on the 150TDI GT (much worse than their MK6 140/170, despite published values well up) within the VWAudi forum and with the solutions deal comparison the GT seems a poor buy over the GTD thanks to much lower retained value. Hopefully the economy issues won't plague the GTD, maybe there are teething troubles on the 150PS unit that need fixing. The generous discounts on UKNEWCARS/Drivethedeal etc for the MK7 GT seem to have appeared quite quickly, but keep in mind you'll get bottom book for your part ex if the supplying dealer takes your car.
ROO1: To put your discount into context, could you tell us what is your current car and what part ex price were you offered in comparison to Parkers current value?
Mine is an 11 plate Scirocco 170TDI GT, Parkers says it is worth £14,650ish and I got £15,500 allowance for it.
I had a new A3 2.0 tdi 150 for a week last month. Awesome engine, very quick, and still did over 50mpg when really hammered home from work on a mix of a,b roads (23 miles). I'm expecting my GTD to be monstrous
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There are plenty of people reporting abysmal fuel economy on the 150TDI GT (much worse than their MK6 140/170, despite published values well up) within the VWAudi forum and with the solutions deal comparison the GT seems a poor buy over the GTD thanks to much lower retained value. Hopefully the economy issues won't plague the GTD, maybe there are teething troubles on the 150PS unit that need fixing. The generous discounts on UKNEWCARS/Drivethedeal etc for the MK7 GT seem to have appeared quite quickly, but keep in mind you'll get bottom book for your part ex if the supplying dealer takes your car.
ROO1: To put your discount into context, could you tell us what is your current car and what part ex price were you offered in comparison to Parkers current value?
Mine is an 11 plate Scirocco 170TDI GT, Parkers says it is worth £14,650ish and I got £15,500 allowance for it.
Interesting about the fuel economy.
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The 3 dealers with the 3 levels of discount...did they all offer the same part ex? If the 5% discount dealer offered you 10% less for your part ex (worth approx 1/2 of the new car) then you're no better off than no discount dealer offering 10% more on your part ex.
Yes I placed an order today with the 3.5% dealer as he valued my px at £900 more than the 5% dealer
Are you going to tell us who then ?
Inchcape Telford
Cheers
Who offered 5% and has anyone had better? (Cash buyer, no trade in)
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Interesting -- Broadspeed.com are offering a smaller discount this week than last. When I ordered my GTD DSG 3 Door last week I got a 9% discount (cash purchase). This week it's dropped to 8%.
I also researched the GTI DSG 3 Door -- last week you could get a 9.1% discount -- this week it's dropped to 8%. Bummer.
Not great for people ordering this week. I wonder what's made them adjust their percentages down? Demand I guess?
Gaz
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We'll I'm very close to signing for my new GTD and the wife's Polo Blue GT.
Been offered the following off my local VW dealer (whom I've purchased 6 cars from in the past)
List - £31,775.00 - discount - £1550 (approx 4.9%) also £500 more on my part ex than anyone else, as well as free 3 years servicing and cherished plate transfer (on VW PCP Finance)
The wife has been offered:
List £21,115.00 - discount £2000 plus an additional £1000 from VW finance making £3000 total (approx 14%), as well as 250 more on the part ex, free 3 years servicing and cherished plate transfer (on VW PCP Finance)
Does that sound good ?
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Sounds like a very good deal nice discount and of course good prices for your px's which you don't often get both together.
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Hi guys,
has there been any more good discounts obtained lately on the GTD?
Have been seeing the DriveTheDeal are now giving £3300 of the list price, but would rather deal with a local garage.
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Have been seeing the DriveTheDeal are now giving £3300 of the list price, but would rather deal with a local garage.
Actually, DTD will try to use a gargage local to you as it saves money on delivery. Mine is about 8 miles away from you and they seem to have dealers who will give those discounts all over the country. They use the fleet arm of the dealership.
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Hi guys,
has there been any more good discounts obtained lately on the GTD?
Have been seeing the DriveTheDeal are now giving £3300 of the list price, but would rather deal with a local garage.
Do you have a p/x to chop in? You might find that the dealer is robbing Peter to pay Paul in respects of a great discount negated by a poor p/x value.
If you are expecting DTD sized discounts, make sure that at minimum they offer you WBAC.com valuation for your p/x. You can use those 2 values to get a realistic "cost to change" which might look better on paper to your local dealership e.g. WBAC.com value your p/x at £13.5k and you're looking to get £3.3k off the new one then your local dealership might offer you £1500 more for your p/x and £1800 off list for the new one - same end result.
When I ordered mine there were no advertised discounts on the GTD. Waiting 2 or 3 months to see them open up before ordering might've saved me £1100 realistically on the deal I do have with fixed p/x.
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Exactly why I negotiated a discount on the car first, made sure they reduced the list price of the car from, £28.8 to £26.5k, then talked about part ex value after.. because for me the part ex is just an underwritten back up plan in case I can’t sell the car privately. Hoping to offload my BMW tomorrow for £1500 more than the part ex guarantee so that will be just fine with me !
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Thanks for the quick replies.
I do have a trade in, but the car is currently on an Audi PCP, so the usual haggling on the base cost of the car.
DTD say they don't do trade in's on there website, so not sure how a dealer through them would accept my current car on PCP though.. :cry:
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Thanks for the quick replies.
I do have a trade in, but the car is currently on an Audi PCP, so the usual haggling on the base cost of the car.
DTD say they don't do trade in's on there website, so not sure how a dealer through them would accept my current car on PCP though.. :cry:
DTD won't commit themselves to a part ex but if you have a VAG car I doubt the supplying VW garage won't want it as a p/x - it's just a case of "at what price". If you can get the garage to take it at the WBAC.com accurate quoted price at a minimum (go on their website and get a valuation based on an "honest" * descrition of your car) then you'll have done well in the overall "price to change".
* I say honest because anything less than immaculate is knocked down. My car is immaculate except for a small scuff on one of the alloys and 3 stone chips on the bonnet (fair wear and tearon a 2 year old car in good condition I would say, but their inclusion knocked about £600 off the valuation even though I could've gotten smart repairs amounting to less than £200).
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Just for info Arnold Clark have a brand new TR GTD for sale at £28515. It looks amazing! Had 4 miles on the clock, 5 door and fully loaded
DSG
Keyless entry
Sat nav pro
Winter pack
Dynaudio
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Just for info Arnold Clark have a brand new TR GTD for sale at £28515. It looks amazing! Had 4 miles on the clock, 5 door and fully loaded
DSG
Keyless entry
Sat nav pro
Winter pack
Dynaudio
Just test drove a near identical example (everything you list above minus the winter pack) and the bit of column where the key would've gone is scratched to buggery. Lots of people forgetting it is keyless.
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Lookers Volkswagen Darlington £26,491 with 350 miles - GTD 5 door manual
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-mk7/volkswagen-golf-2-0-tdi-gtd-5dr/1555827#
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Lookers Volkswagen Darlington £26,491 with 350 miles - GTD 5 door manual
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/volkswagen/golf-mk7/volkswagen-golf-2-0-tdi-gtd-5dr/1555827#
That car will leave GTIs for dust, and Bugatti Veyrons - 230mph top speed! Do you think they meant kmph? :rolleyes:
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At a dealer yesterday I was offered the following on a GTI.
Cost of car: £31,283.00 (lots of options)
Discount: £ 2,100.00 (approx 6%)
OTR £29,183.00
Was also offered a fair price on my trade in so was very pleased. Just went straight in an mentioned this forum and broker prices. Going to another nearby dealer on Monday to see what they can do.
On a side note test drove a Focus RS, Merc A-Class 250 AMG and the GTI (again) yesterday. GTI, for me, was far superior in all areas. Love it.
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Ive been offered 1k Discount Max from the various dealers I have spoken to on a GTD
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Ive been offered 1k Discount Max from the various dealers I have spoken to on a GTD
Is that vanilla spec or plenty of options? Might be time to go the broker route. How does WBAC.com valuation (accurate description - mention any alloy scrapes, stone chips, dings/scrapes etc) compare with what the dealerships were offering you in p/x? If it's £2k more in p/x then you have your £3k broker deal - same price to change.
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Spec as follows
GTD 3dr Manual
Pure/Onyx White
Santiago Alloys
Park Assist
Rear View Camera
Colour Multi-Function Display
Discover Nav Pro
DynaAudio
Winter Pack
Service Plan
CobraTrack Plus
The 1k discount was based on no PX as they dont need to/have to offer discount on a car that is sold out everywhere well into Jan next year.
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Spec as follows
GTD 3dr Manual
Pure/Onyx White
Santiago Alloys
Park Assist
Rear View Camera
Colour Multi-Function Display
Discover Nav Pro
DynaAudio
Winter Pack
Service Plan
CobraTrack Plus
The 1k discount was based on no PX as they dont need to/have to offer discount on a car that is sold out everywhere well into Jan next year.
No p/x, lots of extras and still only £1k discount....why are you still conversing with these jokers - get your broker order in! Rear view camera and standard colour MFD are off the table now as speccable extras. Still - £4.5k of optional extras - hope you're keeping this car a long time to get your moneys worth from them. Go broker and get £3.6k or more off.
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I agree with MH. Perhaps you could explain what scares you about brokers so we can put your mind at rest. It's basically same as ordering on your own except you start off with a big discount already agreed! What is the catch?
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I have spent today calling round literally 15 dealers and all were pretty craps to be honest ... The most I was offered was 6% but they were saying the car wouldnt be here until next March onwards
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Nothing as such putting me off ... My Neighbour has just purchased a Q7 Via a broker and had a headache since day 1 from the sounds of it about poor communication from the dealer, good discount but poor deal on his PX. Also not had the best of experience with certain dealers, got shafted by a VW dealer on one of my previous cars over GAP etc, slightly off-topic but the car got written off and because of how they had structured the deal, discounts, incorporated stuff into the deal I ended up loosing out hence I like the idea of speaking to a dealer and sussing them out before handing over any money as required with DTD etc.
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Nothing as such putting me off ... My Neighbour has just purchased a Q7 Via a broker and had a headache since day 1 from the sounds of it about poor communication from the dealer, good discount but poor deal on his PX. Also not had the best of experience with certain dealers, got shafted by a VW dealer on one of my previous cars over GAP etc, slightly off-topic but the car got written off and because of how they had structured the deal, discounts, incorporated stuff into the deal I ended up loosing out hence I like the idea of speaking to a dealer and sussing them out before handing over any money as required with DTD etc.
Ok well I don't know what happened to your neighbour but a dealer behaving poorly is not, as far as I am aware, linked to if the case they are handling was acquired via a broker or not.
The broker I used didn't require any money at any point. You simply get handed a dealers number and a specified discount, you then take over all negotiation as usual from a position of strength and can suss them out in person or on the phone. This includes the p/x deal if needed. If happy sign the deal and pay the deposit, if not then go elsewhere.
I don't think it's any greater risk, just take the precautions you should anyway. Sounds like your pretty clued up on this so I'd say give it a go. What suited me may not suit you though but that's my comments. Hope you find a good deal!
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Cheers mate
Where did you get the 3,6 discount if you dont mind me asking ?
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I believe drive the deal are pretty much the best for deals right now, with discounts on not only the car, but specced options too. The broker will give you a p/x price if it is something that is desirable for them to sell on their used lot (they might not be interested in a 7 year old Vauxhall). They aren't going to give you a great price after pushing for 14% discount on the new one - worst case scenario should be WBAC.com valuation.
I have dealt with a broker before - ended up putting me in touch with Lookers of Burnley.
When are you expecting the new car? It is highly unlikely you'll see a new order this side of Christmas, whether you go retail or broker. If you go broker, you have more of a chance getting it sooner as fleet sales will probably have more generous allocation than retail.
What is your current car by the way?
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Cheers mate
Where did you get the 3,6 discount if you dont mind me asking ?
Mine was 2.8k and I used carbuzz, not sure they still exist. I'll PM you my dealers details.
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From what posters are saying it appears as though dealers have been instructed to lay off the large discounts. It would seem us though those who ordered early have won a watch I'm so much as VW were testing the market to see what demand would be like. Well demand now is far outstripping supply so simple rule of economics - greater demand plus limited supply equals increased prices. You can't blame the dealers from holding off on the large discounts.
Sorry, I know this is not being helpful but it would explain why people ordering now are not getting the discounts we saw at the beginning. A broker at this moment in time may be the only option.
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From what posters are saying it appears as though dealers have been instructed to lay off the large discounts. It would seem us though those who ordered early have won a watch I'm so much as VW were testing the market to see what demand would be like. Well demand now is far outstripping supply so simple rule of economics - greater demand plus limited supply equals increased prices. You can't blame the dealers from holding off on the large discounts.
Sorry, I know this is not being helpful but it would explain why people ordering now are not getting the discounts we saw at the beginning. A broker at this moment in time may be the only option.
I would also add that GTD discounts have been harder to come by than GTI discounts from the start. Now the dealers pretty much have their allocation filled until Christmas, they're not so bothered to give a discount right now - broker is therefore the way to go.
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From what posters are saying it appears as though dealers have been instructed to lay off the large discounts. It would seem us though those who ordered early have won a watch I'm so much as VW were testing the market to see what demand would be like. Well demand now is far outstripping supply so simple rule of economics - greater demand plus limited supply equals increased prices. You can't blame the dealers from holding off on the large discounts.
Sorry, I know this is not being helpful but it would explain why people ordering now are not getting the discounts we saw at the beginning. A broker at this moment in time may be the only option.
I would also add that GTD discounts have been harder to come by than GTI discounts from the start. Now the dealers pretty much have their allocation filled until Christmas, they're not so bothered to give a discount right now - broker is therefore the way to go.
Either that or you settle for a demo with a bigger discount
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I don't think even demos are getting much discount either.
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I've been into my local dealer today, looking for:
5 door GTD in pure white, dynaudio, sunroof, winter pack, Pro nav. Was offered £6500 for my mk6 with approx 76k on come March 2014.
No discount
I understand the allocation thing but as a repeat customer of this dealership since 2002, I like a deal. Oh well...time to shop around
What’s the WBAC.com valuation on your car? My dad got £5500 p/x against his 2007 (07) MK5 Golf GT 170TDI with 118k miles on for his GTD. £6500 for yours seems pretty low, considering it’s a minimum of 2 years younger (is that the 160TSI 1.4 twin charge?). Definitely time to shop around for you, that dealer is taking the piss.