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General => General discussion => Topic started by: LowlifeDubber on 08 March 2013, 06:00
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Ayup lads hope your well.
Just a quick one really.
With Ultimate Dubs coming up on sunday and me not driving for a change id like to get a load of car to car rolling shots on the way up there.
Becasue ive always been a driver wherever we go ive not actually done this before so i was wondering what lens i should use?
I have a Canon 1100d and have the 18-55mm is kit lens a 75-300mm canon usm II and a Canon 50mm f1.2
I was thinking of using the 50mm as it is super quick and takes lovely photos but not sure if this is the best to use or whether i should use the kit lens?
The shots will mainly be car to car.
Also im expecting hte weather to be pretty poop and a little dull in the morning so i was going to run a higher iso of say 400 but would i be better off in shutter priority mode and set it super quick?Or is it just a case of suck it and see on the day,playing with settings.
Thanks in advance for your help :)
Gary
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I would say take all your lenses. You might find that the 50mm is a bit limiting with moving shots, you'll probably want the ability to zoom in and out. 50mm won't be wide enough when the cars are close to each other on the road.
Besides f1.2 won't be any use when your subject is moving so much, the car will drift in and out of your depth of field.
Best idea is to try both the 18-55 kit lens and the 50mm on the journey and see which works for you.
With the rolling shots, you want to pick a shutter speed that isn't too fast that it freezed the car AND background, because then it'll lose any sense of speed, but you want a shutter speed that captures the car but allows the background to blur a bit. Start at something like 1/60th and see how that looks.
As for ISO and settings: you can't plan for sunlight. You'll have to get used to changing ISO according to what light is falling on your chosen subject. Even on a cloudy day, you can still have lots of light, so you could still be able to have the ISO at 100, but pick an ISO to start with and work from there.
Remember the exposure triangle: if you up the ISO from say 100 to 400, you'll have to increase the shutter speed to maintain the same aperture (and thus depth of field). And if there isn't enough light at ISO 100 to give you the shutter speed and aperture you want, this is when you up the ISO.
Exposure Triangle (http://www.scrappersworkshop.com/the-mystery-of-the-exposure-triangle-revealed-aperture)
Which mode to use:
* if the subject is moving (cars, water, people) use Shutter Priority (Tv on canon)
* if the subject isn't moving, use Av because you'll be able to get creative with depth of field.
You don't *need* to use the lowest f-stop (f1.8 or less) to get a shallow depth of field, you can still get a good depth of field with f4.
Also don't forget to try different angles, for example crouching will give you a better view. Like this:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8426/7767826652_96a1fb0370.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alistairbeavis/7767826652/)
Jaguar E-Type V12 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alistairbeavis/7767826652/) by AlistairBeavis (http://www.flickr.com/people/alistairbeavis/), on Flickr
This ^ was also at f4.
Above all, have fun, try things out.
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Couldn't have wished for a better answer! Thanks very much for taking the time to reply dubfan.
I will post a few if I get any good ones.
Thanks again
Gary
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How did you get on then?
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Sorry for the late reply.Right after a highly disappointing day i managed to get 2 rolling shots which were pants :(
1st Mistake:Asking to go in a mates MK2 Golf 1.6 Automatic that is on its bumpstops and isnt fuelling right which resulted in it costing me £55 for 100miles as i was going halves and not getting a single decent shot due to the most horrendous ride i have ever encountered in my life!
Offending car
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My mate went in his VR6 mk3(which i wish i had gone in) and only used £60 there and back!
This is the only couple of rolling shots i could get as the road was acceptable but still pants.The weather didnt help much either.
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Inside the halls i kind of gave up and never took any pictures because there were just so many people tryingto get the same shot it got tedious so i think unless i show my car next year i wont be going back.Theres only so many shiny new cars with air and the same wheels on i can take :grin:
But it wasnt a wasted trip though as i did pick my wheels up at the show and i cant wait to get started on them.They are Autostrada Modenas fairly rare too hence the reason i cant get caps or nuts but no dramas as they are being cnc'd :)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/555104_10152632143610389_851788789_n.jpg)
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Just out of interest even though the rolling shots look bad do you think the shutter speed is ok?i think it was set at 1/60 but im noit sure if it gives the right contrast of background blur to a static looking car?
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The first rolling shot is good. Looks like you got the shutter speed right for the speed of the car.
I presume this is unedited?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/398889_10152632103915389_1410461315_n.jpg)
I'm sure you could do something to make it more dynamic and add a bit more colour as it's a bit dull (colourwise) at the moment.
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Thanks,it is editied a little in Lightroom but i just upped the exposure a little and the clarity.Normally i would spend a lot more time on it but as i thought they were a bit poop i didnt.
Was very disappointed tbh,i was looking forward to the shots more than the actual show. :grin:
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Heres it with a little more effort.Think i may have overdone it though. :undecided:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8380/8553417901_8f72d9b565_c.jpg)
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Looks better, a bit more colour and life in it. I would probably tone down the green and also the colour in the headlights.
I would perhaps crop it to remove the window from the bottom of the shot, though you will probably struggle to remove the window frame from the left side of the shot without losing part of the car.
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Yeah i tried cropping it but it kept cutting the rear end of the car off :(
Thanks for the advice though. :smiley:
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Rotate the pic so pillar is vertical and then crop car will be angled nose down but better than current??
What you using to lift the colour? LR? If so try fill light to lift without over exposing. Depends if shot in raw.
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Thanks mate i will have a play with that later.Never thought of rotating it.Yeah im using LR so will have a play with the light fill too.
Next time i will be taking rolling shots in will be in a standard car methinks. :evil:
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Thanks mate i will have a play with that later.Never thought of rotating it.Yeah im using LR so will have a play with the light fill too.
Next time i will be taking rolling shots in will be in a standard car methinks. :evil:
so long as the rolling shots ain't of standard cars less then exotics :afro:
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Thanks mate i will have a play with that later.Never thought of rotating it.Yeah im using LR so will have a play with the light fill too.
Next time i will be taking rolling shots in will be in a standard car methinks. :evil:
so long as the rolling shots ain't of standard cars less then exotics :afro:
Why do you think Top Gear use soft-roaders with nice gentle suspension to film rolling shots on public roads ?
They seem to use either Range Rovers or Lexus hybrid SUVs for camera vehicles.
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Ive only just realised that!Yeah when you see glimpses of the chase cars etc with the cameras hanging out the back they are all off roaders like you say.
Although the missus already complains on how much i spend on camera gear so if i came home with a new range rover she might go tits! :grin:
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They will also have a steady-cam kit for the camera so reduce vibrations further.
Another option to try might be to use live-view on your camera so you don't have your eye to the viewfinder and can use your arms to absorb the bounces a bit and put your camera into burst mode so you can shoot 4 or 5 shots in quick succession, that way you are more likely to get one a) in focus and b) with the car where you want it.