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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: ShauniiBoii on 14 February 2013, 15:24
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLKSWAGON-GOLF-JETTA-MK4-IV-1-8T-TURBO-1999-2004-SIDE-MOUNT-INTERCOOLER-SMIC-/390477802379?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AGolf%7CPlat_Gen%3AMK+IV&hash=item5aea4a6b8b
reviews... anyone got this? how much bhp would they hold :\ as everyone i've looked at doesnt say. I imagine it would be a good upgrade to standard but unsure, golfs my 1st turbo car so dont know much about turbo side of things. Is it better to go FMIC or is that just a personal preferance?
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Personally I wouldn't bother with an uprated SMIC, do it properly and get a front mount :wink:
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is there actually any difference though... apart from its position
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the ammount of surface area being cooled.
but all depends on how mad your gonna go. if its just a few mods then it will be fine but if your chasing big dreams and wanna spend everything you earn then go front mount :lipsrsealed:
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well at the moment im just doing a few little things but hope to fit a kO4 eventually. Side mount manage fine? or have to be front? have an r32 front bumper with a fmic (has no hoses though) and intercooler sits against bumper and has no grill in middle as it doesnt fit, dont want to hack up the R32 bumper to fit something if a side mouth could do the same job.
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for K04 i would go front mount unless a side mount with water/meth would work just as well?? but i couldnt tell you if it would or not :embarrassed:
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i408/rioracer/11DB8181-D55D-4D9C-97B1-C0C54F17FBD1-1882-000001439A372BAF_zpsb5ce205f.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i408/rioracer/F8D9A5F6-E84E-4646-A95A-BE85BEA1CD98-1882-000001439E1B4EA0_zps93cda110.jpg)
thats how much hacking i needed but i have 3" inlet/outlet on the core, and air con
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ok boo :\ hmmmm lol dont wana hack up the bumper make it worth next to nothing lol. Think i'll go side mount atm and see what the future brings i guess :). Is the any difference in the intercoolers? standard and one in link? is the one in link alot bigger or what :\ lol
looks good :P but would hate to cut bumper fine if it was a rep bumper lol
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Why have a you got a fmic that is piped up?
Smic is a total waste of money, bad position and poor flow! Ask r tech they tested it and was rubbish to poor flow.
If your going to do the job do it properly, a smic won't even manage a k03s nevermind a k04.
Plus if you have the fmic already then half the job is done!
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Why have a you got a fmic that is piped up?
Smic is a total waste of money, bad position and poor flow! Ask r tech they tested it and was rubbish to poor flow.
If your going to do the job do it properly, a smic won't even manage a k03s nevermind a k04.
Plus if you have the fmic already then half the job is done!
yeah have front mount but doesnt have pipes just sits there lol.... oh they that bad.... lol.
would use the front mount thats on car but looks well past its best like a few core bits are bent (dont know if that effects it??) how would i be able to test it... or only one way to know by actually using it lol
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put a pic up!!!
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Yeah they jut arnt worth the money especially when you can buy a bug fmic core for £80!
Whip it off an pressure test it!
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THS or Forge fit behind a standard bumper
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put a pic up!!!
turns out its a rep bumper lol.... thought it was genuine as it had headlight washers lol
but heres the intercooler thats serving no purpose atm, worth buying pipes and seeing how she is :\ or is it past its best?
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g447/corsa_boii/003-19_zps3b273fd3.jpg)
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only worrying part is where it has been nudged (where the crack is) just incase it has split it.
what size inlet/outlet has it got??
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no idea mate cant evan get my hand up near the intercooler, and yeah boy hit a fence should see the side of the car.... lol
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Air won't be travelling through the very bottom bit that's kinked, that's just the frame
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might just replace it doesnt look nice at all.
BTW been wanting to know what would my engine code be :\ AGU AUM or what :\ its a 1998 5 speed
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It's agu :smiley:
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cheers mate :laugh:
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ive had a few friends that have run 230+bhp on a stock smic, ive just bought a turborevs smic an im going to do the tt wheel arch mod plus ive had a new pancake pipe made that doesn't have the flat bit in it. im not a fan of fmic an all ive read is that unless u spend £300 plus on one the pipe work an time fitting one can be a pain in the ass. my local tuning garage has said that they can get 210-230bhp out of mine (aum 52 plate) with just a uprated turbo downpipe, better airflow from either induction kit or uprated panel filter an more free flowing air around the smic,(uprated or stock). one of the most restrictive things on mk4 1.8t golf is the turbo down pipe its got such a small pipe with two horrible bends in it, im running a ebay decat down pipe which ive customized by fitting the original cat into an then a custom s/steel 2.25' system with 2 free flowing silencers so its not to noisy and i notice an improvement on throttle response straight away. don't believe the hype about u need bigger intercoolers an exhaust. u can remap a completely standard aum engine to about 180-190 bhp no problems.
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A aum with just filter and recirc valve will map to 210ish bhp.
But side mount uprated or not will be on its limits at 230bhp and it may be ok getting 230 on one dyno run but try doing 4 runs in one stint and see if you still get 230 on the fourth... The fact is there jut isn't enough flow of cool air to cool the intake air and with the bigger cooler there is even less wheel arch mod or no wheel arch mod.
The unwritten rule with fmic's is don't buy a ready made pipe kit off the bay as they are rubbish follow the guides an build your!
And also dot believe figure that your "local corner garage" quote go to reputable companies like r-tech or similar for mapping and places like dynodaze for dyno runs (places with proven reliable results)
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heat = the killer of all engines and power!
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^^^ bang on! :grin:
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its not a "local corner garage" by the way.
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its also a noble service centre.
as for doing 4 rolling road run when in normal driving situation would u put ur engine under that sort of forces. everything i stated in my last post comes from friends an people that no what there talking about.
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A aum with just filter and recirc valve will map to 210ish bhp.
But side mount uprated or not will be on its limits at 230bhp and it may be ok getting 230 on one dyno run but try doing 4 runs in one stint and see if you still get 230 on the fourth... The fact is there jut isn't enough flow of cool air to cool the intake air and with the bigger cooler there is even less wheel arch mod or no wheel arch mod.
The unwritten rule with fmic's is don't buy a ready made pipe kit off the bay as they are rubbish follow the guides an build your!
And also dot believe figure that your "local corner garage" quote go to reputable companies like r-tech or similar for mapping and places like dynodaze for dyno runs (places with proven reliable results)
^^^ Hit the nail on the head!
My AUM mapped to around 210bhp with just recirc valve and panel filter and that was on Carbon's rollers. Since then i've added a 3" exhaust including decat and downpipe, venair TIP and boost hoses.
Without a FMIC I don't expect to see any more than about 215bhp next time I'm on a RR. I think even with a turbo revs SMIC I'd struggle to break the 220bhp mark.
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I would class that best tuners as those that specialise in a certain field such as type Of engine ect.
Yes someone can know about tuning
But they can't know everything about everything! And I didn't see the letters "VAG" anywhere in that post :whistle:
And as for doing 4 rolling road runs....your not driving it properly :wink:
And I would rather have the set up that still peforms after the 4 runs then one which doesn't :smiley:
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as for doing 4 rolling road run when in normal driving situation would u put ur engine under that sort of forces. everything i stated in my last post comes from friends an people that no what there talking about.
Missed this before. Have you ever operated a car on a dyno? Believe me, taking a car from 1k rpm to near the limiter in 3rd doesn't take very long. If you're having a 'spirited' drive, you could quite easily replicate that over a few miles on the road.
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i agree but that would put u over 90mph an how many times can u do that on one stretch of road in 3rd all the time ur mpg would be sh!t, also i like having my driving license.
"Missed this before. Have you ever operated a car on a dyno? Believe me, taking a car from 1k rpm to near the limiter in 3rd doesn't take very long. If you're having a 'spirited' drive, you could quite easily replicate that over a few miles on the road."
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"But they can't know everything about everything! And I didn't see the letters "VAG" anywhere in that post"
sorry if i didnt include all the info
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Ok let's say its a hot summers day and your on some little twisties, going uphill, 2nd gear, national speed limit. You accelerate, go round a corner, accelerate, go round a corner, accelerate, go round a corner ... And so on
Haven't broke the speed limit once, take a lot at your exhaust manifold and take a feel at your inlet.
With a smic the intercooler will be red hot with the fmic it won't... Simple as tht
There is nothing wrong with over engineering.
Under engineering on the other hand is a bodge and bad for the car.
Full stop
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Got to admit...a SMIC is never going to give prolonged cooling abilities that are needed for a stage 2 or probably even stage 1 motor.
If this company was so good.....surely we would hear a lot more of them right?
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"But they can't know everything about everything! And I didn't see the letters "VAG" anywhere in that post"
We can enhance your car if it is a BMW, Audi, Porsche Volkswagen we deal with all car manufactures to provide better fuel economy and produce more power at high RPM for the ultimate chip tuning package.
Sorry but I'm pretty sure I said specialise.
Anyone who knows how to map a car can get a bit more power but doesn't mean they know that specific engine and its little secrets
Also everyone know its not about "power at high rpm" it's about the curve!
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"But they can't know everything about everything! And I didn't see the letters "VAG" anywhere in that post"
We can enhance your car if it is a BMW, Audi, Porsche Volkswagen we deal with all car manufactures to provide better fuel economy and produce more power at high RPM for the ultimate chip tuning package.
Sorry but I'm pretty sure I said specialise.
Anyone who knows how to map a car can get a bit more power but doesn't mean they know that specific engine and its little secrets
Also everyone know its not about "power at high rpm" it's about the curve!
i thought it was all about a bit more boost and fuel? lmfao!
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"But they can't know everything about everything! And I didn't see the letters "VAG" anywhere in that post"
We can enhance your car if it is a BMW, Audi, Porsche Volkswagen we deal with all car manufactures to provide better fuel economy and produce more power at high RPM for the ultimate chip tuning package.
Sorry but I'm pretty sure I said specialise.
Anyone who knows how to map a car can get a bit more power but doesn't mean they know that specific engine and its little secrets
Also everyone know its not about "power at high rpm" it's about the curve!
i thought it was all about a bit more boost and fuel? lmfao!
Yeah just crank the boost up..... Be reyt! :laugh:
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Now now boys play nicely...
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Now now boys play nicely...
Yeah, may aswell lock the topic wazzzer if you want I think the descussion has run its course!
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My 2ps wotlrtg
I hit 225bhp up at R-Tech with an uprated side mount but that was the limit. I could probably have got more with a front mount too. They suffer massively from heat soak tucked away down there