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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: LukeRhino on 02 February 2013, 15:28
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Hi guys,
I currently have a mk6 gti, abseloutly love the car but seen a golf r for sale at a very good price local to me, have any of you R owners previously owned a gti then moved onto the R?
Is it worth the change?
Thanks
Luke
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Go for an ED35...you will never look back... :cool:
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Hi guys,
I currently have a mk6 gti, abseloutly love the car but seen a golf r for sale at a very good price local to me, have any of you R owners previously owned a gti then moved onto the R?
Is it worth the change?
Thanks
Luke
Depends if you are going to mod or not IMO, the Golf R with 4wd and DSG makes for a ridiculously fast car as Hurdy has proven with basic bolt on mods :evil:
Ed35 offers middle ground but not enough difference to change from a GTi IMO.
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I wouldn't be changing a GTI for a 35 either. It's too subtle to be special enough coming from a GTI. I'd save a bit longer and look at the Mk7 GTI later in the year.
The .:R on the other hand, would be worth changing to, as it is a noticeable step up.
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Hi guys,
I currently have a mk6 gti, abseloutly love the car but seen a golf r for sale at a very good price local to me, have any of you R owners previously owned a gti then moved onto the R?
Is it worth the change?
Thanks
Luke
The r is in a different league to a gti and an edition 35 so certainly worth the change. I have a 35 and my mate has an s3 and the difference the 4wd makes is ridiculous. I cant really use 1st or 2nd without lighting the wheels up where as he can hardly get the wheels to spin. Much less understeer as well makes it feel like its on train tracks going round a corner.
Go and have a proper test drive and then you will see.....
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Go for an ED35...you will never look back... :cool:
Did you have a GTI before your edition?
I've driven an R and in a straight line there isn't much in it standard but it corners like a beast imo, i would get a DSG R if the deal was right.
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i wouldnt swap the GTI for either the ed35 or the R. a lot of extra money for not a lot of difference.
if i were looking to 'upgrade' i would be looking elsewhere, not at another golf.
dont know what age/milage your GTI or the R your looking at are but i bet it would be a hell of a lot of money to change. is it worth all that extra cash for what ultimately would feel like the same car after the novelty had worn off?
bear in mind the mk7 is shortly due out. cant see the point in swapping a perfectly decent mk6 for a more expensive slightly 'better' mk6 when a totally new model is imminent,
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Go for an ED35...you will never look back... :cool:
Did you have a GTI before your edition?
I've driven an R and in a straight line there isn't much in it standard but it corners like a beast imo, i would get a DSG R if the deal was right.
Yes I have a MK6 before the ED35 and would say it's a different car to drive..
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Go for an ED35...you will never look back... :cool:
Did you have a GTI before your edition?
I've driven an R and in a straight line there isn't much in it standard but it corners like a beast imo, i would get a DSG R if the deal was right.
Yes I have a MK6 before the ED35 and would say it's a different car to drive..
In what way? I'm not being funny btw.
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i wouldnt swap the GTI for either the ed35 or the R. a lot of extra money for not a lot of difference.
if i were looking to 'upgrade' i would be looking elsewhere, not at another golf.
dont know what age/milage your GTI or the R your looking at are but i bet it would be a hell of a lot of money to change. is it worth all that extra cash for what ultimately would feel like the same car after the novelty had worn off?
bear in mind the mk7 is shortly due out. cant see the point in swapping a perfectly decent mk6 for a more expensive slightly 'better' mk6 when a totally new model is imminent,
Problem is you have to weigh up a new r wont be out for near 12 months thats a lot more depreciation on his car, mk6 gtis are fetching reasonable money at the moment where as people are not going to want them for decent money in 6 months time. He will also get a pretty good value golf r vs £35k plus for the mk7 r.....and a much lower px price.
The car is a different drive all together and worth considering you certainly cant compare a stock gti to an r.
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Go for an ED35...you will never look back... :cool:
Did you have a GTI before your edition?
I've driven an R and in a straight line there isn't much in it standard but it corners like a beast imo, i would get a DSG R if the deal was right.
I liked the MK6 and had it for just under 2 years and when the ED35 was launched, I just thought it was another MK6 with a few interior changes and extra BHP, however it is quicker off the mark and handles better in the wet and the corners. I also think it looks better than the standard GTI and can't wait until the ED40 comes out....
Yes I have a MK6 before the ED35 and would say it's a different car to drive..
In what way? I'm not being funny btw.
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I had two Gti's (MK 5's) before my R, and they may look similar but are completely different to drive.
The R is in a different league with it's traction, and feels completely "planted" on the road. You can floor it out of side roads and roundabouts compared to the scrabbling tyres of the FWD GTi.
The downside is it feels heavier and not as nimble (and perhaps fun) around the twisties.
Is it worth the extra £'s over a GTi ? .. well that's down to you to decide in the end :grin: but in IMHO it is.
As an aside the R is one of the best cars at the moment for holding it's value, so if you find a good deal you should'nt lose too much in depreciation.
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Found the link now :-
Tenth in the Glasses Guide Residual Value Winner 2012
http://www.bodyshopmag.com/News-glasss-residual-value-winners-for-2012.aspx
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Thank you for the feedback guys, going to have a look tomorrow and see how I feel after a good drive. I would plan on playing around with it, but not quite to hurdys levels! Looking forward to see how different it will feel, previously had a mk6 gt tdi also. Ill let you all know how it goes. Thanks again
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I liked the MK6 and had it for just under 2 years and when the ED35 was launched, I just thought it was another MK6 with a few interior changes and extra BHP, however it is quicker off the mark and handles better in the wet and the corners.
Isn't it exactly the same suspension/brakes as the GTi so that surely can only be tyre choice?
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Autotrader has some 2010 Rs floating around now for 20K
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IMO now is probably the best time to jump into an R. Get one that is still in warranty and it will be a bargain as they have already gone through a big chunk of depreciation. I was lucky enough to find one under two years old with just 5k miles on the clock and bought it for over £13k less than the original price that the first owner bought it for. Some R's just out of warranty are over £15k cheaper than new!
Quite a few people I know have jumped from MKV GTI's and don't regret the decision at all. It is a completely different animal to the GTI. The grip is superb, it handles better, it stops better and it goes better. The only downside is fuel consumption, which in real terms is probably 3-5mpg less than a GTI.
It is also a much better base platform to modify from if you are into making your cars faster. Once you reach a certain level of tune with the GTI you end up losing the extra power through wheelspin and power understeer, the R doesn't. Conservatively my R is over 350bhp and I can use every last one, try that with a GTI - especially from a standing start and you will just lose traction completely. In the wet it is the same, I can STILL use every last horsey that the car has and the GTI simply cannot.
Don't get me wrong, the GTI - both MKV and MKVI are great cars and in the dry on a windy country road they are fast and safe, but how many dry days do we get in the UK nowadays?
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Thanks for your input Hurdy :) unfortunatly ive been called into work for a breakdown! so re-arranged the view for tuesday night, bloody typical ey but ££'s speak louder to me today haha
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Sold an Edition 30 (which I loved) to buy my R and my wife sold her Polo GTI to buy an Edition 35. I drive the Ed35 around all week (I don't work and she walks to walk :whistle:) and I drive my R at the weekend. The Ed35 is a very very nice car, but the R beats it all ends up, there is no real comparision. The R feels quite a bit quicker (but may not be?), it sounds better, it looks better, it's more planted on the road and the traction is awesome in comparison. :evil: All IMHO, of course. Money aside, the R is a clear winner for me, I love it. :cool:
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Sounds like your driving the wrong car through the week then...if the R is better... :grin:
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The R pisses all over the GTI, that comes from somebody who owned both,
The decision to swap was forced on me by thiefs, but actually I'm glad to see the back of the gti
That being said if your the type of person to moan about fuel consumption stick with the gti as the R drinks fuel like its going out of fashion
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It is probably worth noting that around September last year, Top Gear magazine reveiled their Top Ten hot hatches. The Golf GTi was thirs and the Golf R was ninth.
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It is probably worth noting that around September last year, Top Gear magazine reveiled their Top Ten hot hatches. The Golf GTi was thirs and the Golf R was ninth.
I dare say price would have come into the equation somewhere.
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the R is an awesome car, i remember taking one for a test and point to point it was incredible and really nicely balanced, where the R scores over the S3 was VW injected some steering feel into it so its not inert
the price of the R was always the hot topic of debate, i think if my pockets had been deep enough for a Golf R i would have stretched a little deeper and got a 1M
people get fixated with out and out performance, ring times etc, no doubt a R will batter my Ed35 off the line and round the twisties especially given changing gear involves using my left foot, for me the GTI is about how it makes you feel rather than outright ability
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Having traded in a MK6 GTI [which I'd had from new and loved] for a new R last July I can tell you that if you can afford the extra get an R with DSG. It's an awesome piece of kit and I actually enjoy the slightly weightier feel which makes it feel really planted.
Performance is in a different league to the GTI - even without mods. [Which I've no intention of doing anyway] But it's not just the performance, you still have the practicality [Even though I daren't leave mine anywhere :laugh: ] and imo it looks better than a GTI.
As mentioned already, they are a bit thirsty, particularly if you have a heavy right foot, but also if you do a lot of town driving. So if you're a bit close on the finances be wary.
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If running costs aren't much of a factor, the R is better all round. To be fair the GTI isn't that much better on fuel anyway if you drive it properly!
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If running costs aren't much of a factor, the R is better all round. To be fair the GTI isn't that much better on fuel anyway if you drive it properly!
Better...how exactly?
Easier to drive quick? Yes.
Faster more often in more weather conditions? Yes.
Does that make it better? Not always.
The GTI makes the R feel heavy and un-chuckable.
The trade off is huge traction and a more planted feel.
Is the R more fun? Yes...if you want to go from A to B with little by way of effort...the GTI is, in my opinion, more fun at modest speeds.
At the end of the day...drive both, look at the price, and make a decision.
Both have pluses and minuses.
It's not as simple as an R being 'better'.
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If running costs aren't much of a factor, the R is better all round. To be fair the GTI isn't that much better on fuel anyway if you drive it properly!
This is spot on. I've been in a modified Ed30 for the last few days and it is only a few mpg better than the R.
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Is the R more fun? Yes...if you want to go from A to B with little by way of effort...the GTI is, in my opinion, more fun at modest speeds.
But that's often the case with slower cars. I've had just as much fun, if not more in very low powered courtesy or rental cars. :evil:
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t264/dubber36/DSCF3705.jpg)
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If running costs aren't much of a factor, the R is better all round. To be fair the GTI isn't that much better on fuel anyway if you drive it properly!
It is - I've had both and difference seems to be around 8 mpg for town driving [Not done anywhere near as much mileage in R as I had done in GTI when I traded, so might not be a fair comparison though]
On my commute home from work in summer in the R I was getting about 17mpg [all stop/start driving and engine not bedded in at that point]
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If running costs aren't much of a factor, the R is better all round. To be fair the GTI isn't that much better on fuel anyway if you drive it properly!
It is - I've had both and difference seems to be around 8 mpg for town driving [Not done anywhere near as much mileage in R as I had done in GTI when I traded, so might not be a fair comparison though]
On my commute home from work in summer in the R I was getting about 17mpg [all stop/start driving and engine not bedded in at that point]
That's a bit of a worry. Could well consider a mk7 R as my next car (if it's any good and not for 3 years) but wouldn't want to see the mpg drop below 20mpg. Do loads of town driving in traffic and get on average 24mpg for that type of driving with the GTI. Fuel economy not my primary concern but getting sub 20mpg would be pushing it.
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
I do spend a lot of time in town but also do a big chunk of drivng on rural twisties (as well as dual carriage/motorway way stuff). Having had 2 mk 5's and now a mk6 GTI, and fancying a bit more power and traction, the R may the next logical move. For more power, could map the GTI but my boyfriend (who is not into cars at all) would be worrying about invalidating warranties etc and I'd never hear the end of it if it went wrong! So need a car that can be kept stock but will give me a bit more. Still only just got the mk 6 so a long way off.
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Coming from an S3 to an Ed35 has had it's down points. The S3 was more solid in the corners as you'd expect, I'm sure it's the same with the .:R. Unless I'm having a proper tare around which is rare I don't miss the extra power and 4wd. Was very close to getting an .:R but far from disappointed with the Ed35.
You'll enjoy whatever you choose.. it's a Golf :wink:
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Lots of love for the R in this thread :smiley: Just echoing what's already been said really - it's a great car and would still be my pick of the three performance Golfs simply because of the lack of drama when driving hard and fast. Impressive as that is, I think there is more satisfaction to be had from the challenge of driving a front wheel drive GTI/Ed35 cleanly through your favorite corners.
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
Dubber36, it is, but I'll answer it. Because at the moment I have to go to work every day. The R is my early retirement present and I'm hoping to start getting full use out of it starting this summer. :smug:
But that apart, what's wrong with having an R even if most of your driving is town? The car looks fantastic and is a joy to own and drive in any situation. You can't really use the full potential of a high performance car on public roads anyway - unless you want to get locked up. A nice run over the A57 [Snake Pass] on a quiet weekend is interesting though.
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I get the whole "nice car" thing Rick. If all goes to plan, I'll be able to afford a nice car in a couple of years time.
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I get the whole "nice car" thing Rick. If all goes to plan, I'll be able to afford a nice car in a couple of years time.
Go for it dubber :smiley:
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
Dubber36, it is, but I'll answer it. Because at the moment I have to go to work every day. The R is my early retirement present and I'm hoping to start getting full use out of it starting this summer. :smug:
But that apart, what's wrong with having an R even if most of your driving is town? The car looks fantastic and is a joy to own and drive in any situation. You can't really use the full potential of a high performance car on public roads anyway - unless you want to get locked up. A nice run over the A57 [Snake Pass] on a quiet weekend is interesting though.
Amen to that.
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
Dubber36, it is, but I'll answer it. Because at the moment I have to go to work every day. The R is my early retirement present and I'm hoping to start getting full use out of it starting this summer. :smug:
But that apart, what's wrong with having an R even if most of your driving is town? The car looks fantastic and is a joy to own and drive in any situation. You can't really use the full potential of a high performance car on public roads anyway - unless you want to get locked up. A nice run over the A57 [Snake Pass] on a quiet weekend is interesting though.
Amen to that.
I live 5 mins from the Snake Pass and now it has had the rough bits attended to it is even more episode a ride than before!
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I've now had 4 MK5 GTI's inc an Edition 30 and Pirelli and I've just had a Golf R.
Although the Golf R is still standard (not for long) it pisses over any other Golf I have owned (inc MK5 R32). It's not just about how quick it is, or how quick it can go round corners, it's about the way the car makes you feel, and in this case the R makes me feel EPIC! :laugh: :laugh:
Yes it's quick and has great traction, but it also comes loaded with really high spec as standard and the cabin and controls feel far better than either the MK5 or the MK6's I have driven.
Fuel consumption wise, the worst I have had so far on my commute is 27mpg, and the best is 32mpg, so not all bad!
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Snake pass is one of my favourite roads on the UK :cool:
I don't agree that an R will piss on a GTI if both cars are std, however different story if mapped. Yes the R is the better car but in std trim is not worth the extra over an ED35 as the performance on the road is very similar even if the drive is different. Depends what you want out of a car as others have said the GTI although still heavy is lighter and more chuckable and more fun as a result. i have driven the R a few times on my usual routes and just prefer the GTI (just my opinion). The R needs more power and should have 300+bhp minimum from the factory to make it worth the extra outlay and if I owned one I would definitely map it to make use of the better brakes and 4wd. I have owned 3 Audi quattros so completely get the advantages of 4wd so am not knocking the R.
However one negative side of the R is a smaller boot and is an issue for me as we use the GTI for family road trips around Europe. I have two teenage sons so effectively four adults and need to take enough stuff for two weeks. That extra bit of boot space means I can bring back a few cases of wine without having to fill the car with bags from the boot or having to use a roof box :sick:
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
Dubber36, it is, but I'll answer it. Because at the moment I have to go to work every day. The R is my early retirement present and I'm hoping to start getting full use out of it starting this summer. :smug:
But that apart, what's wrong with having an R even if most of your driving is town? The car looks fantastic and is a joy to own and drive in any situation. You can't really use the full potential of a high performance car on public roads anyway - unless you want to get locked up. A nice run over the A57 [Snake Pass] on a quiet weekend is interesting though.
Amen to that.
I live 5 mins from the Snake Pass and now it has had the rough bits attended to it is even more episode a ride than before!
Gonna be shooting our video footage there John - I'll look out for you :grin:
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It may seem like a dull question, but why have an .:R if you spend most of your time in town?
Dubber36, it is, but I'll answer it. Because at the moment I have to go to work every day. The R is my early retirement present and I'm hoping to start getting full use out of it starting this summer. :smug:
But that apart, what's wrong with having an R even if most of your driving is town? The car looks fantastic and is a joy to own and drive in any situation. You can't really use the full potential of a high performance car on public roads anyway - unless you want to get locked up. A nice run over the A57 [Snake Pass] on a quiet weekend is interesting though.
Amen to that.
I live 5 mins from the Snake Pass and now it has had the rough bits attended to it is even more episode a ride than before!
Gonna be shooting our video footage there John - I'll look out for you :grin:
Don't blink or you'll miss me! :wink:
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:grin: we're going to need the team from 'CERN' to spot you soon bud - you'll be going that quick
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:grin: we're going to need the team from 'CERN' to spot you soon bud - you'll be going that quick
Too right! :laugh:
Apparently if I hit anything at full acceleration it creates strange matter and the world gets sucked into oblivion.....or as we know it Cleethorpes! :grin:
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Amen to that.
I live 5 mins from the Snake Pass and now it has had the rough bits attended to it is even more episode a ride than before!
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Gonna be shooting our video footage there John - I'll look out for you :grin:
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Don't blink or you'll miss me! :wink:
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Hurdy, you must live very close to me as I'm 5 minutes from Snake [or less if travelling at light speed :cool: ]
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Dangerous road to be flying round at this time of year!
Always some f**ktard round every corner
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Hurdy, you must live very close to me as I'm 5 minutes from Snake [or less if travelling at light speed :cool: ]
Quite possibly as I live at Stannington. :smiley:
Dangerous road to be flying round at this time of year!
Always some f**ktard round every corner
Any time of the year is dangerous on there.
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Hurdy, you must live very close to me as I'm 5 minutes from Snake [or less if travelling at light speed :cool: ]
Quite possibly as I live at Stannington. :smiley:
I'm south of the A57, Ranmoor area.
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Dangerous road to be flying round at this time of year!
Always some f**ktard round every corner
In spite of what I said about the A57, I'm a careful driver really and use plenty of common sense when driving on these types of roads. As you say, you never know what's round the next corner so you need to be careful or you could end up in a hedge, killing yourself or somebody else.
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I came from a MK5 GTI. I love my car, but I liked my GTI a little bit more. For sure the R is a lot quicker than the GTI, but for me there is a trade off. The ride is hard and when in D the car can feel really slow and it drinks fuel like you would not believe. On the plus point in this wet weather that seems to be the norm now the traction is great, 4wd in the wet from standstill is awesome campared with the GTI. It depends what you want from your car and how much you want to pay.